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06-27-2008, 05:15 PM
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| The days of the 9800 ... These days, there's a graphics chip releasing every few months. The wait and anxiety aren't nearly as interesting as they used to be. I remember the days in 2005 when a new graphics architecture actually amounted to something more than pure specs. 9800/9800Pro - New Architecture 9800XT - Refresh Today, the game is more economics than anything. They care more about market share and varied price points. 2x performance over the previous generation w/ lowered power consumption has taken the back seat. The unhealthy competition in the graphics card industry is disheartening. I mean seriously, *** is nVidia doing? If I decide to buy an nVidia card and research on their website ... here's what I find ... 9800GTX, 9800GX2, 9800GTX+, 9800GTX Bill Gates Last Day Edition, 9800 GTXTREME 55nm Edition, 9800GS, 9800GT, 9800GTX+-+/256MB 512Bit Edition ... ***? Screw that, I'd like things simpler, like in the old days. And on top of this ... card manufacturers add their own suffixes to further differentiate products and confuse the customer even more .... Stop this nonsense immediately! If I'm in the market to buy a top of the line video card, I should not be offered multiple products from the same manufacturer like 9800GX2 and GTX280. From the reviews, the 9800GX2 actually beats that GTX280 chippery in many benchmarks. The point of this post is that a new graphics chip these days translates into increased misery, as it's harder for the consumer to decide. The 4850 and 4870 present the consumer with a similar set of problems. I appreciate the time you guys have taken out to hear me rant. 
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06-27-2008, 05:26 PM
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| I agree...there are too many choices nowadays which require extensive research before being able to differentiate...that plus SLI/Crossfire (2 or more graphics cards), dual core graphics cards (2 graphics cores on a single card) etc makes choosing a card more hassle then its worth high end now means more then 1 card (up to 4)...but high end also means dual core cards (hence the X2 suffix)...just give me a nice single card, single core chip and I'll be more then happy...all this multiple crap is really ridiculous plus the fact that so called mainstream cards are in some cases almost as good as the high end cards makes things even more confusing...plus we get 10 different versions of the same card from certain manufacturer's (EVGA!)---regular version, overclocked, super-overclocked, Akatana super deluxe version etc etc I too miss the good ole days of 1 high end single card, 1 mainstream part and 1 budget card from the major manufacturers (ATI, Nvidia)
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06-30-2008, 09:56 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... I'm starting to look into replacing my son's X1950pro. Would the 9800GTX be a good upgrade or should I consider another model ? XFX GeForce 9800 GTX Video Card - FREE Company of Heroes PC Game, 512MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, Dual VGA Support PVT98FYDF9 in Canada at TigerDirect.ca 200$ budget
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06-30-2008, 10:54 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... How about this ... Newegg.com - ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards The 4800 series from ATI nearly outperforms the GTX 260 in most benchmarks and is about $100 cheaper too ...
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06-30-2008, 10:56 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... Here's one of the better reviews .... AnandTech: The Radeon HD 4850 & 4870: AMD Wins at $199 and $299 They have good comparisons ....
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06-30-2008, 11:21 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... Thanks sammy It looks like the HD4850 has a memory data transfer rate of 1.99Gbps. My son's system is built on a ASRock 4coredualVsta which has AGP and a PCIe 4x slot. As I remember the agp bus has a transfer rate of 2GBps and so does PCIe 4x. It would seem that the, HD4850 PCIe would just about fill the bus at 1.99GBps. I might get away with not upgrading his mobo ... Can some confirm my math 
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06-30-2008, 11:34 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... I was unaware of the fact that there is a PCIe 4x slot ... I thought they were all 16x or 8x. The memory data rate of 1.99Gbps is a per pin rate that has got nothing to do with the speed of the PCI bus. It's like AGP 4x vs 8x, it never really made any difference in performance. So you can pretty much use any PCIe card w/o upgrading the mobo.
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07-01-2008, 06:53 AM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... This is the mobo with a 1 x PCI Express Graphics slot (@ x4 mode) ASRock Motherboard - Product - 4CoreDual-VSTA - Overview
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07-02-2008, 08:27 AM
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07-03-2008, 04:41 PM
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| Re: The days of the 9800 ... Asrock aloso has a new P45 based mobo that accepts DDR2 and DDR3 memory.
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