Geforce, Radeon, Voodoo3

dddibley · 03-05-2001, 07:15 PM

Given the recent Geforce/Radeon debate, I was wondering how bad the Geforce 2D quality really is. I currently have a Voodoo3, which doesn't quite compare to the ATI AIW Rage 128 it replaced, but is satisfactory for my needs (vidcap OK, gaming.. want OpenGL).

Bottom line. Am I going to go blind if I get the GTS, or should I go back to driver hell and save my eyesight. LOL.

Thanks for any input.

ddd

rkiran_abx · 03-05-2001, 07:34 PM

Well, I know ATI has historically had not-so-stable drivers; however, the Radeon seems to be an exception. I've installed it (both the 32 and 64MB versions) on about half a dozen machines and they've all been absolutely stable.

The 2D quality is just outstanding. I use the 64 MB Radeon with a Sony G500 21" monitor at 1600x1200x85Hz resolution - I can watch movies and streaming video with astounding sharpness and clarity.

In most of the 2D benchmarks that I've read, the Radeon 64MB card does far better than the GeForce 2 cards.

-Ravi.

bajo · 03-05-2001, 10:24 PM

Well said,
Just replaced Radeon32ddr/Samsung flat 900nf 19"
with Vivo64MBddr/Samsung flat 1200nf 22" combo.
What can I say but: Whoa! - running 3DM2k @ 2048x1536@32bit/80Hz, 1/2life@1600x1200@32bit/85Hz...quality untouchable - period !
Good to go !
Bajo.

dddibley · 03-06-2001, 06:42 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Seems the Geforce text is so fuzzy, no one can read the post. Have US$200 in the budget, but think I'll hold off and see if the prices come down in the next week or so. Last ATi I bought was $75 less a month later !! Damn.

ddd

bajo · 03-07-2001, 12:20 AM

Well,
right now, you can get a Radeon ViVo 64MB DDR for $ 200 - with ATI mail in rebate (CompUSA, etc...)
Regards,
Bajo.

eddie_abx · 03-07-2001, 06:27 PM

This site has the Retail ATI 64 VIVO for only $179 http://www.newegg.com

bajo · 03-08-2001, 12:42 AM

Yep eddie, the site looks good.
But if you add shipping, waiting & mail return (in case of problems) for almost the same cost, as opposed to eye to eye deal in the store - good to go for me...
Of course, I'll use a good online store if that's my only choice, though.
Bajo.

eddie_abx · 03-08-2001, 01:25 AM

They only charge $8 for Fed-EX saver shipping ,so you will still be buying it for less than $190 ,and it will be delivered in less than 3 or 4 days ,and the last time I checked they had a very high reseller rating ,and when any company uses FED-EX the chances of anything happening to your order are almost none . I seriously doubt you could find a Retail 64 Radeon for less than $250 in normal store ,and even if something was wrong with the card you would only have to pay $8 to ship it back ,but if you bought it from a normal store you would have to drive to the store and return it anyway so either way it will cost you to return the product if something goes wrong ,so overall buying from a reputable online store that uses the best delivery service for at least $50 less sounds like a much better deal to me .

bajo · 03-08-2001, 06:00 PM

Well, doubt no longer, Eddie !
I paid $209 last week at Comp USA, and saw a card, just yesterday at Best Buy, for $ 199.99 - go figure...
And, ofcourse, add an ATI mail in rebate, and you save an extra $10 on top of all - not bad.

Bottom line- we all have a choice and prices are great,
anyway you wanna' do it.
Bajo.

eddie_abx · 03-08-2001, 06:17 PM

I had no idea prices were so cheap in normal stores .With prices that low your totally right ,its to a persons advantage to buy it from a normal store instead of online .I haven't been in Texas for more than a year ,so I really had no idea prices were that low .

bajo · 03-08-2001, 09:32 PM

Yep indeed,Eddie, I live in big ol' TX, with (sometimes) great tiny prices..hehe
I hope that prices will be dropping even more, with all the new toys on a horizon...As a reseler & exporter,
I kinda' have a nose for good deals - nothing compared to your oc knowledge, though (!) - but makes me happy, if I can help people here, on where to shop or check the certain goodies...
Regards,
Bajo.

[Edited by bajo on 03-08-2001 at 09:41 PM]

dddibley · 03-12-2001, 06:02 PM

Why don't I ever listen.

I can't see.

I CAN'T SEE.

Oh. That's better.

LOL

ddd

bajo · 03-12-2001, 11:10 PM

Chill out, ddd...
It's like Murphy's Law - as soon as you just think you've gotten a good deal - someone will get even better one Tomorrow..!!
Bajo.

dddibley · 03-12-2001, 11:34 PM

For the record, the ASUS V7700 Pure 32MB has decent text, not quite as good as the old Voodoo3 but OK. It's my NEC AS75F that worries me now. 1024x768@85Hz has nice crispy borders, and a 5 inch diamater blur in the middle. Anything lower and it's jitter city. I can't win.

ddd

bajo · 03-13-2001, 12:19 AM

Well - look at the bright side - monitors are getting much better & cheaper than ever...
How 'bout a nice NEW, Bigger & Flat one - hehe..??
Bajo.

[Edited by bajo on 03-13-2001 at 12:27 AM]

03-05-2001, 07:15 PM	#1
dddibley Time well wasted Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,276	Given the recent Geforce/Radeon debate, I was wondering how bad the Geforce 2D quality really is. I currently have a Voodoo3, which doesn't quite compare to the ATI AIW Rage 128 it replaced, but is satisfactory for my needs (vidcap OK, gaming.. want OpenGL). Bottom line. Am I going to go blind if I get the GTS, or should I go back to driver hell and save my eyesight. LOL. Thanks for any input. ddd
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03-05-2001, 07:34 PM	#2
rkiran_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 22	Well, I know ATI has historically had not-so-stable drivers; however, the Radeon seems to be an exception. I've installed it (both the 32 and 64MB versions) on about half a dozen machines and they've all been absolutely stable. The 2D quality is just outstanding. I use the 64 MB Radeon with a Sony G500 21" monitor at 1600x1200x85Hz resolution - I can watch movies and streaming video with astounding sharpness and clarity. In most of the 2D benchmarks that I've read, the Radeon 64MB card does far better than the GeForce 2 cards. -Ravi.
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03-05-2001, 10:24 PM	#3
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	Ditto.!! Well said, Just replaced Radeon32ddr/Samsung flat 900nf 19" with Vivo64MBddr/Samsung flat 1200nf 22" combo. What can I say but: Whoa! - running 3DM2k @ 2048x1536@32bit/80Hz, 1/2life@1600x1200@32bit/85Hz...quality untouchable - period ! Good to go ! Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-06-2001, 06:42 PM	#4
dddibley Time well wasted Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,276	Thanks for the heads up. Seems the Geforce text is so fuzzy, no one can read the post. Have US$200 in the budget, but think I'll hold off and see if the prices come down in the next week or so. Last ATi I bought was $75 less a month later !! Damn. ddd
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03-07-2001, 12:20 AM	#5
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	Vivo64 Well, right now, you can get a Radeon ViVo 64MB DDR for $ 200 - with ATI mail in rebate (CompUSA, etc...) Regards, Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-07-2001, 06:27 PM	#6
eddie_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 271	This site has the Retail ATI 64 VIVO for only $179 http://www.newegg.com __________________ Eddie S.
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03-08-2001, 12:42 AM	#7
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	Yep eddie, the site looks good. But if you add shipping, waiting & mail return (in case of problems) for almost the same cost, as opposed to eye to eye deal in the store - good to go for me... Of course, I'll use a good online store if that's my only choice, though. Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-08-2001, 01:25 AM	#8
eddie_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 271	They only charge $8 for Fed-EX saver shipping ,so you will still be buying it for less than $190 ,and it will be delivered in less than 3 or 4 days ,and the last time I checked they had a very high reseller rating ,and when any company uses FED-EX the chances of anything happening to your order are almost none . I seriously doubt you could find a Retail 64 Radeon for less than $250 in normal store ,and even if something was wrong with the card you would only have to pay $8 to ship it back ,but if you bought it from a normal store you would have to drive to the store and return it anyway so either way it will cost you to return the product if something goes wrong ,so overall buying from a reputable online store that uses the best delivery service for at least $50 less sounds like a much better deal to me . __________________ Eddie S.
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03-08-2001, 06:00 PM	#9
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	ViVo64 Retail Well, doubt no longer, Eddie ! I paid $209 last week at Comp USA, and saw a card, just yesterday at Best Buy, for $ 199.99 - go figure... And, ofcourse, add an ATI mail in rebate, and you save an extra $10 on top of all - not bad. Bottom line- we all have a choice and prices are great, anyway you wanna' do it. Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-08-2001, 06:17 PM	#10
eddie_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 271	I had no idea prices were so cheap in normal stores .With prices that low your totally right ,its to a persons advantage to buy it from a normal store instead of online .I haven't been in Texas for more than a year ,so I really had no idea prices were that low . __________________ Eddie S.
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03-08-2001, 09:32 PM	#11
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	Power to all the competition !! Yep indeed,Eddie, I live in big ol' TX, with (sometimes) great tiny prices..hehe I hope that prices will be dropping even more, with all the new toys on a horizon...As a reseler & exporter, I kinda' have a nose for good deals - nothing compared to your oc knowledge, though (!) - but makes me happy, if I can help people here, on where to shop or check the certain goodies... Regards, Bajo. [Edited by bajo on 03-08-2001 at 09:41 PM] __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-12-2001, 06:02 PM	#12
dddibley Time well wasted Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,276	Why don't I ever listen. I can't see. I CAN'T SEE. Oh. That's better. LOL ddd
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03-12-2001, 11:10 PM	#13
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	3d... Chill out, ddd... It's like Murphy's Law - as soon as you just think you've gotten a good deal - someone will get even better one Tomorrow..!! Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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03-12-2001, 11:34 PM	#14
dddibley Time well wasted Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,276	For the record, the ASUS V7700 Pure 32MB has decent text, not quite as good as the old Voodoo3 but OK. It's my NEC AS75F that worries me now. 1024x768@85Hz has nice crispy borders, and a 5 inch diamater blur in the middle. Anything lower and it's jitter city. I can't win. ddd
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03-13-2001, 12:19 AM	#15
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	Never ends... Well - look at the bright side - monitors are getting much better & cheaper than ever... How 'bout a nice NEW, Bigger & Flat one - hehe..?? Bajo. [Edited by bajo on 03-13-2001 at 12:27 AM] __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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