How far did you overclock your 9800 Pro?

Steelwingz · 07-30-2003, 11:45 AM

Just got a 9800 Pro (ATi label) yesterday.

I was only able to get the core up to 398.25. Anything more resulted in rendering errors in 3DMark03. Just a 20.25 mhz jump from stock.

Comparing my results on futuremark's web site, I was amazed to see poeple cranking their 9800's cores up to 470+. I know that each card is going to have it's own individual max speed, but wow, that seems extreme. Makes me wonder if these people are just running at the max speed they can get without crashing, and accepting rendering errors in their quest for the maximun 3DMark score. I'd almost be willing to bet that quite a few of the 6500+ scores probably had major rendering errors and/or artifacts visible while the test was in progress.

So I'm wondering, what scores you guys have been able to get (both max core speed and 3DMark03 build 030 scores) on your FX 5900's and 9800 Pro's WITHOUT any rendering errors or artifacts?

It would be cool if there was some way 3DMark could detect rendering errors and artifacts, so it could say something like, "test invalid. No 3DMark score given due to rendering errors or artifacts." Probably next to impossible, but it never hurts to dream...

Howard Stern_abx · 07-30-2003, 12:08 PM

I am running my 9800 @ 425 core and 360*2=720 on the memory. I don't really like the those benchmark program because they are to easy to fudge the numbers. I ran 3d2003 at all the default setting and get a 6383. In 3d2001 I get around 20,000.
This is the max I can run before artifacts start popping up.

**pointreyes** · 07-30-2003, 12:25 PM

Steelwingz, what are the RAM chips on the 9800Pro you have? From what I understand these chips is one of the things that can hinder oc'ing the card. You should have 2.8ns Samsung.

Steelwingz · 07-30-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by pointreyes
Steelwingz, what are the RAM chips on the 9800Pro you have? From what I understand these chips is one of the things that can hinder oc'ing the card. You should have 2.8ns Samsung.

Hmmm.. I'll have to look. I should've written that down before installng the card, but I didn't. I do remember that they were labeled Samsung, but I didn't write the numbers down.

I'll go check...

Edit: I haven't tried increasing the memory speed yet. So far, I've just increased the clock speed to the maximum I can get without rendering errors. Now I'm going to increase the memory speed to the max I can get without artifacts. Dang, I need a magnifying glass to see the numbers on the Samsung chips.

StoogesNuke · 07-30-2003, 12:37 PM

they are mostly all 2.8ns chips. I am running 420/360(720) for my card and it is flawless. Get about the exact same 3dmarks as above post

jinu117 · 07-30-2003, 12:51 PM

I don't think so. All stock and I am getting 431/371. Been like this ever since I got the card back 2 months ago or so after I burnt 9700 pro with vmod and 4 different cooling method it went through :P
Now keep in mind A LOT of people have H2O cooling or Zalman cooling with fan which will help heat issue. Also, vmod on this beasties are realtively easy with grabber (I have it handy with required resistance but haven't had the need to put it in action for this one yet).
I am guessing better cooling + vcore should net easy 50-70mhz more on core (which was case with 9700pro I had) on top of what typical stock overclocking goes for.

Templar · 07-30-2003, 04:04 PM

only tried 420Mhz core and 350Mhz memory.. Worked great and no issues but I'm running it at stock tho since I HATE BS problems and rather have a little slower system them =)"#(=#" issues.

Simon

iamcj · 07-30-2003, 06:02 PM

My Sapphire 9800 Pro works great at 421 Core/361 Mem - 722 MHz even tho the RAM is only rated to 700 MHz. Works flawlessly at those speed but even 1 MHz on either and I get artifacts.

noxarin2 · 07-31-2003, 12:33 AM

Mine does at least 410/360 totally stock.

The ram is basically peaking at 360, but not sure about the core, I tried 450, it didnt crash at all but there was quite alot of snowing. But like other sentiments expressed here i'll only overclock if there's a game thats running slow.

I will say about my Radeon 9800 pro, i've been a little disappointed in it's speed in quite a few games.

Neverwinter Nights is particularly disappointing, but there are many games that don't seem to work like you'd expect as well.

I only get around 15700 in 3dmark2001se it seems that benchmark is pretty CPU dependant. I'm running an EPOX 4PEA+ (845PE) with a P4 2.4Ghz clocked to 2.61 (FSB 145) the system ram is running at 386 mhz so yeah.

3DMark 2003 is more in line, it doesn't seem as CPU dependant, for that I think I get around 5600.

I guess also my board only does AGP 4X.

Steelwingz · 07-31-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by noxarin2
Mine does at least 410/360 totally stock.

I will say about my Radeon 9800 pro, i've been a little disappointed in it's speed in quite a few games.

Neverwinter Nights is particularly disappointing, but there are many games that don't seem to work like you'd expect as well.

I hear ya. I've been a bit disappointed by the speed of this card, as well. I finally was able to play a complete game of Rise of Nations just a few minutes ago. (If you're having trouble getting this game to run, and you have hyper-threading enabled, disable it. Worked for me, at least. Wish I could remember the guy's name that told me this for proper credit...) I was VERY disappointed to see the frame rate drop to 18 when screen scrolling during a late age with lots of stuff on screen. Granted, my old Ti4400 would drop to 7 at the same point, but I expected more from the 9800 Pro. Especially since only the buildings/units are 3d in this game. This was also only at 2X AA and 2X AF.

Next test will be Diablo 2: LoD. I was getting a wide variance from 18-50 fps with the old G4 card. Hope the 9800 shows off a bit more in this game.

Steelwingz · 07-31-2003, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by iamcj
My Sapphire 9800 Pro works great at 421 Core/361 Mem - 722 MHz even tho the RAM is only rated to 700 MHz. Works flawlessly at those speed but even 1 MHz on either and I get artifacts.

My card will run at that speed, but during the Mother Nature DX9, and the elephant/rhino pixel shader tests, I get rendering errors and snow respectively. The Battle of Proxycon test runs smooth and looks great at that speed, though. Dang, I wish I could get this card to run everything at that speed; it all looks SO smooth...Guess it's time to start looking for a GPU cooler.

JoeBar · 07-31-2003, 01:09 PM

My Powercolor can go up to 435/360mhz.

Takki · 07-31-2003, 03:17 PM

i wanna beat your 6700 3dmark03 record!

how the h*ll did you do that?!

Wizard13 · 07-31-2003, 03:42 PM

I managed to push my Hercules up to 466/371(742) without any artifacts thus achieving a score of 6371. 1MHz higher on any of GPU/Mem results in corrupted display. ( http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=867801 )

However, this was done in May with lower temps (~20C out, ~27C room)
I tried to do it again when I installed Cat 3.5 in June when temps were higher (~32C out, ~35C room*1) but not only I had artifacts, 3DMark2003 crashed.

When pushing memory (and GPU) higher that its specs*2 you need very good cooling. Not only an extra fan, but really low temps. 35=>27C is 7C. Only very good fans with equal good airflow, will achieve such results. (Of course w/c or prom will do better)

PS. I always have AGP Volt to 1.7V.

*1: No aircondition used
*2: 1000/X.Xns ex: 1000/2.8ns = 357MHz max speed.

Takki · 07-31-2003, 05:35 PM

1,7v for your radeon 9800 pro?

is it harmfull? your videocard is already hot due to the higher clock ratings and now you use more volts?

:eek:

but why use more volts instead of 1,5v ?

so the card can work better with high clock rates?
higher voltage = little chance of artifacts ??

07-30-2003, 11:45 AM	#1
Steelwingz Air Head Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 224	How far did you overclock your 9800 Pro? Just got a 9800 Pro (ATi label) yesterday. I was only able to get the core up to 398.25. Anything more resulted in rendering errors in 3DMark03. Just a 20.25 mhz jump from stock. Comparing my results on futuremark's web site, I was amazed to see poeple cranking their 9800's cores up to 470+. I know that each card is going to have it's own individual max speed, but wow, that seems extreme. Makes me wonder if these people are just running at the max speed they can get without crashing, and accepting rendering errors in their quest for the maximun 3DMark score. I'd almost be willing to bet that quite a few of the 6500+ scores probably had major rendering errors and/or artifacts visible while the test was in progress. So I'm wondering, what scores you guys have been able to get (both max core speed and 3DMark03 build 030 scores) on your FX 5900's and 9800 Pro's WITHOUT any rendering errors or artifacts? It would be cool if there was some way 3DMark could detect rendering errors and artifacts, so it could say something like, "test invalid. No 3DMark score given due to rendering errors or artifacts." Probably next to impossible, but it never hurts to dream... __________________ Don't just sit there... fold something! Motherboard: ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe BIOS: 1010 CPU: 2.4C @ 260 fsb 1:1 Memory: 2x512 Corsair TwinX PC4000 @ 2.85v Heatsink/fan: Zalman CNPS-7000Cu (love it) Video: ATi Radeon 9800 Pro HD: Samsung 40gig 7200RPM 2 meg cache, Western Digital 250 gig 8 meg cache CD: Plextor PlexWriter Premium Power Supply: Antec TruePower 380 Case Fans: 2 Panasonic Panaflo 120mm, RPM controlled by power supply Monitor: NEC FE2111SB Case: Antec Sonata
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Howard Stern_abx King Of All Media Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: VA Posts: 793	I am running my 9800 @ 425 core and 360*2=720 on the memory. I don't really like the those benchmark program because they are to easy to fudge the numbers. I ran 3d2003 at all the default setting and get a 6383. In 3d2001 I get around 20,000. This is the max I can run before artifacts start popping up. __________________ Windows Vista 64\| E8500@4.14Gig\| Zalman 9700 LED \| Asus Rampage Formula \| 2 WD 74 gig Raptors \|1 250 GIG WD 16 meg cache\| 4 GIGS of Corsair Dominator DDR-2 1066 \| Diamond Viper 3870 \| NEC AD-7170A DVD burner\| Lite-on LH-20A1H \| SB X-fi Fatal1ty\| Logitech 5300E 5.1 speakers\| Onboard GIG Nic\| Verizon FIOS Internet service 30 megs down/5 up \| ViewSonic VX 2640W 1080P \| Full Size Gigabyte Aurora Tower with 4 case fans\| FSP 600W power supply\| Canon 8400F Scanner\| Canon I850 Photo Printer\| Logitech G5 Laser Mouse
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pointreyes The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 18,159	Steelwingz, what are the RAM chips on the 9800Pro you have? From what I understand these chips is one of the things that can hinder oc'ing the card. You should have 2.8ns Samsung. __________________
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07-30-2003, 12:37 PM	#5
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07-30-2003, 12:51 PM	#6
jinu117 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 286	I don't think so. All stock and I am getting 431/371. Been like this ever since I got the card back 2 months ago or so after I burnt 9700 pro with vmod and 4 different cooling method it went through :P Now keep in mind A LOT of people have H2O cooling or Zalman cooling with fan which will help heat issue. Also, vmod on this beasties are realtively easy with grabber (I have it handy with required resistance but haven't had the need to put it in action for this one yet). I am guessing better cooling + vcore should net easy 50-70mhz more on core (which was case with 9700pro I had) on top of what typical stock overclocking goes for. __________________ A64 3500+ .6 newcastle @ 3.05ghz Prommy Mach II R404 mod by baker MSI K8N Neo2 VDD modded, OCZ3200EL Rev2 @ 285 2.5-3-3-10 (dual channel 1gig) X800XT, Raptor, yada yada yada
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07-30-2003, 04:04 PM	#7
Templar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 338	only tried 420Mhz core and 350Mhz memory.. Worked great and no issues but I'm running it at stock tho since I HATE BS problems and rather have a little slower system them =)"#(=#" issues. Simon __________________ Here lies one who's name is writ in water. "Keats". Gaming Rig: [ Athlon64 2GHz Alpha Pal8150 ][ MSI K8T Neo ][ 2x512 GEIL Golden Dragon PC3500 ][ Atlantis 9800XT ][ 2x Seagate 160GB SATA + 200GB Maxtor Ext. Firewire ][ SB Audigy 2 with Cambridge THX 500W 5.1 ][ PC Power And Cooling 510W Deluxe ][ TT Xaser 3 alu ][ 22" Mistubishi SuperBright Diamontron ] Labtop (work): [ ECS G551 Centrino 1400MHz ][ 512MB PC2700 ECC ][ M9 Radeon9000 64MB ][ 15.1" TFT 1400*1050 ][ 40GB HD ][ DVD/CDRW ][ WiFi@home ][ AC97 5.1 ]
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07-30-2003, 06:02 PM	#8
iamcj Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta Posts: 197	My Sapphire 9800 Pro works great at 421 Core/361 Mem - 722 MHz even tho the RAM is only rated to 700 MHz. Works flawlessly at those speed but even 1 MHz on either and I get artifacts. __________________ Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Athlon 64 FX-55 2GB Samsung PC3200 DDR Dual eVGA 6800GT's Raptor 36GB, Seagate 200GB 8 MB Cache Lite-On 48X24X48 CDRW/16X DVD Sound Blast Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pioneer DVR-A09 DVDRW Antec TruePower 550W CoolerMaster CMStacker Case
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07-31-2003, 12:33 AM	#9
noxarin2 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 27	Mine does at least 410/360 totally stock. The ram is basically peaking at 360, but not sure about the core, I tried 450, it didnt crash at all but there was quite alot of snowing. But like other sentiments expressed here i'll only overclock if there's a game thats running slow. I will say about my Radeon 9800 pro, i've been a little disappointed in it's speed in quite a few games. Neverwinter Nights is particularly disappointing, but there are many games that don't seem to work like you'd expect as well. I only get around 15700 in 3dmark2001se it seems that benchmark is pretty CPU dependant. I'm running an EPOX 4PEA+ (845PE) with a P4 2.4Ghz clocked to 2.61 (FSB 145) the system ram is running at 386 mhz so yeah. 3DMark 2003 is more in line, it doesn't seem as CPU dependant, for that I think I get around 5600. I guess also my board only does AGP 4X.
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07-31-2003, 01:09 PM	#12
JoeBar Bite me if u can... Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens Posts: 5,889	My Powercolor can go up to 435/360mhz. __________________ Asus P5WDG2 Premium rev. 1.02G Intel Pentium D 920 SL94S Malay @ 4.31GHz cooled by Thermaltake Big Water 745 GeCube Radeon X1900XT combined with LG 1980Q (8ms) 19' TFT monitor 2 x 1GB Transcend DDR2-533 @ 770mhz 2 x 36.7GB Western Digital Raptors Raid 0 \| 300GB Western Digital Caviar SE SATA Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Xtrememusic combined with Cambridge Soundworks Megaworks 550 THX Asus E616P3 DVD \| Asus 1608-P DVD-RW Thermaltake Kandalf black super tower with 4 x 120mm and 2 x 90mm blue led fans \| Chieftec 550W Triple 12V rails - 120mm fan
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07-31-2003, 03:17 PM	#13
Takki Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 891	i wanna beat your 6700 3dmark03 record! how the h*ll did you do that?!
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07-31-2003, 03:42 PM	#14
Wizard13 I'll be rich. Soon. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Athens - Hellas Posts: 739	I managed to push my Hercules up to 466/371(742) without any artifacts thus achieving a score of 6371. 1MHz higher on any of GPU/Mem results in corrupted display. ( http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=867801 ) However, this was done in May with lower temps (~20C out, ~27C room) I tried to do it again when I installed Cat 3.5 in June when temps were higher (~32C out, ~35C room1) but not only I had artifacts, 3DMark2003 crashed. When pushing memory (and GPU) higher that its specs2 you need very good cooling. Not only an extra fan, but really low temps. 35=>27C is 7C. Only very good fans with equal good airflow, will achieve such results. (Of course w/c or prom will do better) PS. I always have AGP Volt to 1.7V. 1: No aircondition used 2: 1000/X.Xns ex: 1000/2.8ns = 357MHz max speed. __________________ Wizard! "I know one thing: I know nothing" - Socrates (469BC - 399BC)
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07-31-2003, 05:35 PM	#15
Takki Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 891	1,7v for your radeon 9800 pro? is it harmfull? your videocard is already hot due to the higher clock ratings and now you use more volts? :eek: but why use more volts instead of 1,5v ? so the card can work better with high clock rates? higher voltage = little chance of artifacts ??
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