Now, it's the 4870's turn... - Page 2

XJ. · 06-25-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQ

Well, it's likely that at some point one of the partners will do a silent version of the card.
Might be several months down the road, but I'd think it was in the *ahem* cards.

Bad TQ

TQ · 06-25-2008, 04:08 PM

I kill myself.

johnrr6 · 07-02-2008, 10:33 PM

Playing around and googling "fan control for 4870"

I found that a guy over at Hexus and Guru3D has used the ATI CCC and profiles-----to speed up the normal fan speed on both 4850s and 4870s

When I looked at the fan speed in the XML file of my 4850----it is set to a defalut of only 14%

I hate noise------so I only speeded mine up to 35-40% which is VERY quiet----yet faster----and definitely cooler

At 35%----it dropped my temps in my hot garage by 10C
At 40%----it dropped the temps 13C

And the difference in noise at that level is unnoticeable....(at least to me)

I tried 65% as suggested but the darn thing sounded like a jet engine----way too noisy----but it dropped temps 23C

The danger would be that you have altered the "automatic" scheme that spins up the fan when it get's REALLY hot!

But I think ATI's auto profile needs work because 80C is ALREADY hot---and my fan wasn't running very fast when she hits 80C.

You have to start the profile each time you boot----but you can set a dsktop shortcut or hot key combo to start it....

Kinda neat and a "quick fix" till better drivers and Heat Sink/Fans become available.

HEXUS.net - Headline :: How to control the fan speed of your Radeon HD 4850/4870 : Page - 1/1

pcmanabc · 07-03-2008, 03:16 AM

Sounds pretty cool.

**Sandog** · 07-03-2008, 08:44 AM

Nice find johnnr6, I think ATI should add this feature in the future.

traveler · 07-04-2008, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnrr6

[snip]

---and my fan wasn't running very fast when she hits 80C.

[snip]

What are you using to read the video card's temps?

XJ. · 07-04-2008, 05:23 PM

RivaTuner and GPU-Z are good tools for altering and checking fans speeds and much more.

johnrr6 · 07-04-2008, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traveler

What are you using to read the video card's temps?

Catalyst Control Center and AMD Overdrive Utility both will read the cards temps

I think you have to be in the "Advanced" mode for the CCC

johnrr6 · 07-04-2008, 06:35 PM

Did some 3dmark 06 today----just playing around

Rig 1
Q6600 Quad overclocked to 3.2 with Geforce 8800 GTX

12888

Rig 2
9850 BE Phenom overclocked to 2.7 with ATI 4850

12400

Some impressions:

I'm still playing with the overclock on the 9850 BE----slowly bumping it up----if I can get it to 2.8 with stability----it will equal or beat the Rig 1 score

Amazing to me that I get virtually the same performance from $385 worth of parts compared to over $1000 spent initially on the Intel and nVidia parts-----I know tech changes and improves rapidly----but these ATI cards look like a STEAL....

Decided I'm going to get a 4870 and use the 4850 I got so cheaply at Best Buy ($150) on a different rig....

The 4870 looks just too good to pass up......

My other impression is how good my tried and true 8800 GTX still does----even after almost two years! -----I spent a lot----but I got a lot!!! And a Q6600 still holds its own against almost anything---another "good buy"

It's lasting so well that I'm thinking of getting 8 megs of cheap DDR2 and loading Vista Ultimate 64 Bit on this Rig----maybe extend it's lifespan a bit more....64 Bit Vista is....nice....

TQ · 07-06-2008, 09:20 AM

I just saw this on the Wikipedia's Radeon R700 entry:

"A dual GPU product using two RV770 GPUs, codenamed R700, is currently planned for a late August to early September 2008 release. The R700 still uses a PCI Express bridge to allow two GPUs on the same PCI Express slot, however the bridge used in R700 now supports PCI Express 2.0. The R700 has a total of 2 GiB GDDR5 frame buffer (1 GiB for each GPU) on board."

I had assumed it would have been 512MB for each GPU, not 1GB. If true, this is going to be one mofo of a video card.
No wonder the GTX 280's have been dropping like a stone in price.

johnrr6 · 07-06-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQ

I just saw this on the Wikipedia's Radeon R700 entry:

"A dual GPU product using two RV770 GPUs, codenamed R700, is currently planned for a late August to early September 2008 release. The R700 still uses a PCI Express bridge to allow two GPUs on the same PCI Express slot, however the bridge used in R700 now supports PCI Express 2.0. The R700 has a total of 2 GiB GDDR5 frame buffer (1 GiB for each GPU) on board."

I had assumed it would have been 512MB for each GPU, not 1GB. If true, this is going to be one mofo of a video card.
No wonder the GTX 280's have been dropping like a stone in price.

And if they sell it for $399 or less----they will make a fortune.....!!!

I am just tired of the idea that a vidcard will cost over $600....

Have been convinced all along that the $600 prices (and higher) was just.......

Greed.....

Of course----I did pony up for my 8800 GTX----and that card has lasted me double of what a normal "high end" card would.....

But I just don't think I'll spend over $400 ever again for a vid card....

TQ · 07-06-2008, 10:10 AM

I'll be very curious about the pricing of this card. While I've never considered SLI/CF this one has got my attention.
Even with all the glowing reviews for the 4870 something bothered me about dropping down from the amount of memory my 8800GTX has.
It just didn't seem like a true upgrade. 1GB for each GPU combined with what should be a truly significant performance delta means I'm really anticipating this card's release.
If all goes as what's been said as the schedule - late July to early August - it'll be here in plenty of time for Stalker: Clear Sky.

ATINUT · 07-06-2008, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQ

I just saw this on the Wikipedia's Radeon R700 entry:

"A dual GPU product using two RV770 GPUs, codenamed R700, is currently planned for a late August to early September 2008 release. The R700 still uses a PCI Express bridge to allow two GPUs on the same PCI Express slot, however the bridge used in R700 now supports PCI Express 2.0. The R700 has a total of 2 GiB GDDR5 frame buffer (1 GiB for each GPU) on board."

I had assumed it would have been 512MB for each GPU, not 1GB. If true, this is going to be one mofo of a video card.
No wonder the GTX 280's have been dropping like a stone in price.

Sorry to say, but Wikipedia frequently has wrong information. Don't believe it, until you see the information come from a more reputable source.

TQ · 07-06-2008, 10:27 AM

That's why I included the "if true" disclaimer in my post.

Still, it's fun to speculate...

ATINUT · 07-06-2008, 10:40 AM

If the 4870X2 did come with 2GB's of memory on it, it would be a whopper of a card, and most likely slightly longer than the 3870X2.

06-25-2008, 04:08 PM	#17
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07-02-2008, 10:33 PM	#18
johnrr6 Lucky Amateur Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,271	Re: Now, it's the 4870's turn... Playing around and googling "fan control for 4870" I found that a guy over at Hexus and Guru3D has used the ATI CCC and profiles-----to speed up the normal fan speed on both 4850s and 4870s When I looked at the fan speed in the XML file of my 4850----it is set to a defalut of only 14% I hate noise------so I only speeded mine up to 35-40% which is VERY quiet----yet faster----and definitely cooler At 35%----it dropped my temps in my hot garage by 10C At 40%----it dropped the temps 13C And the difference in noise at that level is unnoticeable....(at least to me) I tried 65% as suggested but the darn thing sounded like a jet engine----way too noisy----but it dropped temps 23C The danger would be that you have altered the "automatic" scheme that spins up the fan when it get's REALLY hot! But I think ATI's auto profile needs work because 80C is ALREADY hot---and my fan wasn't running very fast when she hits 80C. You have to start the profile each time you boot----but you can set a dsktop shortcut or hot key combo to start it.... Kinda neat and a "quick fix" till better drivers and Heat Sink/Fans become available. HEXUS.net - Headline :: How to control the fan speed of your Radeon HD 4850/4870 : Page - 1/1 __________________ 1st Rig:-----------------------------------------------------2nd Rig: Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz------------------------------------------9850 BE at 2.6 Ghz Vista Ultimate Edition 32 Bit SP1--------------------------Vista Ultimate Edition 64 Bit SP1 AB9QuadGT, BIOS .13-------------------------------------AsRock 780G BIOS 1.50 Thermalright SI-128 HS w/JMC 120 PWM Fan------------Thermaltake Blue Orb II 4 x 1 Gig Gskill PC 6400 Micron D9's---------------------Mushkin 4 x 2 Gig PC8500 eVGA 8800 GTX--------------------------------------------ATI HD 4870 4 x 250 Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 5-----2 x 500Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 0 Lite-On 20x DVD Burner w/Lightscribe--------------------Samsung SATA Tru Direct DVD Burner w/Lightscribe OCZ 700 W GameXstream PSU---------------------------Silverstone 500 Watt ST50EF PSU Creative X-Fi sound----------------------------------------Azalia Onboard Sound Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Black Case--------------------------Silverstone SG01 SFF Black Case Speedlink Medusa 5.1 headphones----------------------Hauppage 1600 TV Card
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07-03-2008, 03:16 AM	#19
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07-03-2008, 08:44 AM	#20
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07-04-2008, 05:23 PM	#22
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07-04-2008, 06:35 PM	#24
johnrr6 Lucky Amateur Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,271	Re: Now, it's the 4870's turn... Did some 3dmark 06 today----just playing around Rig 1 Q6600 Quad overclocked to 3.2 with Geforce 8800 GTX 12888 Rig 2 9850 BE Phenom overclocked to 2.7 with ATI 4850 12400 Some impressions: I'm still playing with the overclock on the 9850 BE----slowly bumping it up----if I can get it to 2.8 with stability----it will equal or beat the Rig 1 score Amazing to me that I get virtually the same performance from $385 worth of parts compared to over $1000 spent initially on the Intel and nVidia parts-----I know tech changes and improves rapidly----but these ATI cards look like a STEAL.... Decided I'm going to get a 4870 and use the 4850 I got so cheaply at Best Buy ($150) on a different rig.... The 4870 looks just too good to pass up...... My other impression is how good my tried and true 8800 GTX still does----even after almost two years! -----I spent a lot----but I got a lot!!! And a Q6600 still holds its own against almost anything---another "good buy" It's lasting so well that I'm thinking of getting 8 megs of cheap DDR2 and loading Vista Ultimate 64 Bit on this Rig----maybe extend it's lifespan a bit more....64 Bit Vista is....nice.... __________________ 1st Rig:-----------------------------------------------------2nd Rig: Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz------------------------------------------9850 BE at 2.6 Ghz Vista Ultimate Edition 32 Bit SP1--------------------------Vista Ultimate Edition 64 Bit SP1 AB9QuadGT, BIOS .13-------------------------------------AsRock 780G BIOS 1.50 Thermalright SI-128 HS w/JMC 120 PWM Fan------------Thermaltake Blue Orb II 4 x 1 Gig Gskill PC 6400 Micron D9's---------------------Mushkin 4 x 2 Gig PC8500 eVGA 8800 GTX--------------------------------------------ATI HD 4870 4 x 250 Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 5-----2 x 500Gig Western Digital SATA II HDs in RAID 0 Lite-On 20x DVD Burner w/Lightscribe--------------------Samsung SATA Tru Direct DVD Burner w/Lightscribe OCZ 700 W GameXstream PSU---------------------------Silverstone 500 Watt ST50EF PSU Creative X-Fi sound----------------------------------------Azalia Onboard Sound Lian Li PC-7B Plus II Black Case--------------------------Silverstone SG01 SFF Black Case Speedlink Medusa 5.1 headphones----------------------Hauppage 1600 TV Card
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07-06-2008, 09:20 AM	#25
TQ You gonna throw that? Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 8,434	Re: Now, it's the 4870's turn... I just saw this on the Wikipedia's Radeon R700 entry: "A dual GPU product using two RV770 GPUs, codenamed R700, is currently planned for a late August to early September 2008 release. The R700 still uses a PCI Express bridge to allow two GPUs on the same PCI Express slot, however the bridge used in R700 now supports PCI Express 2.0. The R700 has a total of 2 GiB GDDR5 frame buffer (1 GiB for each GPU) on board." I had assumed it would have been 512MB for each GPU, not 1GB. If true, this is going to be one mofo of a video card. No wonder the GTX 280's have been dropping like a stone in price. __________________ Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me - Psalm 51:10 My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dogs already think I am... Daywalker Studio: Software: Adobe Audition 3.0/Pro Tools LE 7.4/Acid Pro 6.0/Multiple VST, DirectX and RTAS plugins/Kontakt 3 Sampler/Windows XP Professional PC Hardware: D975XBX2-504/E6600/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-6400/eVGA 800GTX/HP f1905 19" flat panel/Echo Audio Gina24 Sound Card/2 Maxtor 6B300SO's/1 Maxtor STM500AS/1 Western Digital WD2500JD/PleXwriter Premium/Plextor 716A/Samsung LightScribe DVD burner/Logitech Revolution MX/Antec P-180b/PPC&C Silencer 610/Zalman CNPS9500 HSF Recording Hardware: Mbox 2 Factory Pro/Mackie SR24.4VLZ Pro Console/M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI Controller/Audio-Technica 4033a microphone/Symetrix 528E/PreSonus Eureka/Mackie MR8 active monitors Game Machine: Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6/E8400/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-8500/BFG GTX280/HP f2105 21" flat panel/Creative Labs X-Fi Elite Pro/Maxtor 6H500F0/Maxtor STM3320/Western Digital WD4000KD/Plextor 760A/Toshiba DVD-ROM/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec P-180/PPC&C Silencer 610/Ideazon Merc Stealth keyboard/Vista Business64 SP1
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07-06-2008, 10:10 AM	#27
TQ You gonna throw that? Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 8,434	Re: Now, it's the 4870's turn... I'll be very curious about the pricing of this card. While I've never considered SLI/CF this one has got my attention. Even with all the glowing reviews for the 4870 something bothered me about dropping down from the amount of memory my 8800GTX has. It just didn't seem like a true upgrade. 1GB for each GPU combined with what should be a truly significant performance delta means I'm really anticipating this card's release. If all goes as what's been said as the schedule - late July to early August - it'll be here in plenty of time for Stalker: Clear Sky. __________________ Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me - Psalm 51:10 My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dogs already think I am... Daywalker Studio: Software: Adobe Audition 3.0/Pro Tools LE 7.4/Acid Pro 6.0/Multiple VST, DirectX and RTAS plugins/Kontakt 3 Sampler/Windows XP Professional PC Hardware: D975XBX2-504/E6600/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-6400/eVGA 800GTX/HP f1905 19" flat panel/Echo Audio Gina24 Sound Card/2 Maxtor 6B300SO's/1 Maxtor STM500AS/1 Western Digital WD2500JD/PleXwriter Premium/Plextor 716A/Samsung LightScribe DVD burner/Logitech Revolution MX/Antec P-180b/PPC&C Silencer 610/Zalman CNPS9500 HSF Recording Hardware: Mbox 2 Factory Pro/Mackie SR24.4VLZ Pro Console/M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI Controller/Audio-Technica 4033a microphone/Symetrix 528E/PreSonus Eureka/Mackie MR8 active monitors Game Machine: Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6/E8400/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-8500/BFG GTX280/HP f2105 21" flat panel/Creative Labs X-Fi Elite Pro/Maxtor 6H500F0/Maxtor STM3320/Western Digital WD4000KD/Plextor 760A/Toshiba DVD-ROM/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec P-180/PPC&C Silencer 610/Ideazon Merc Stealth keyboard/Vista Business64 SP1
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07-06-2008, 10:27 AM	#29
TQ You gonna throw that? Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 8,434	Re: Now, it's the 4870's turn... That's why I included the "if true" disclaimer in my post. Still, it's fun to speculate... __________________ Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me - Psalm 51:10 My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dogs already think I am... Daywalker Studio: Software: Adobe Audition 3.0/Pro Tools LE 7.4/Acid Pro 6.0/Multiple VST, DirectX and RTAS plugins/Kontakt 3 Sampler/Windows XP Professional PC Hardware: D975XBX2-504/E6600/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-6400/eVGA 800GTX/HP f1905 19" flat panel/Echo Audio Gina24 Sound Card/2 Maxtor 6B300SO's/1 Maxtor STM500AS/1 Western Digital WD2500JD/PleXwriter Premium/Plextor 716A/Samsung LightScribe DVD burner/Logitech Revolution MX/Antec P-180b/PPC&C Silencer 610/Zalman CNPS9500 HSF Recording Hardware: Mbox 2 Factory Pro/Mackie SR24.4VLZ Pro Console/M-Audio Axiom 25 MIDI Controller/Audio-Technica 4033a microphone/Symetrix 528E/PreSonus Eureka/Mackie MR8 active monitors Game Machine: Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6/E8400/4x2GB Mushkin XP2-8500/BFG GTX280/HP f2105 21" flat panel/Creative Labs X-Fi Elite Pro/Maxtor 6H500F0/Maxtor STM3320/Western Digital WD4000KD/Plextor 760A/Toshiba DVD-ROM/Zalman CNPS9700/Antec P-180/PPC&C Silencer 610/Ideazon Merc Stealth keyboard/Vista Business64 SP1
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07-06-2008, 10:40 AM	#30
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