Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! - Page 4

PeterT · 07-02-2008, 12:51 PM

Newegg has this card for 120USD (after rebate).
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

I am considering getting it for my daughter's rig (P4P800-D in sig), so that she can play some of the newer games (i.e. Grid racing). However, my concern is that the PSU in her case is an Antec 350w and the Sapphire site recommends: "450Watt or greater power supply with 30Amps on 12 volt with 2x4 power connector".

If I use the PSU calc here:
eXtreme Outer Vision - eXtreme tools for computer enthusiasts
and enter everything in the system + the HD3850 card + 15% capacitor aging, I get 332w.

I don't want to replace the PSU. Thoughts?

TIA.

PeterT · 07-02-2008, 04:12 PM

Also, would someone please tell me the length of the card (from back plate to end of PCB)? The case I have the P4P800-D in is not very deep. TIA.
I tried to find the length on the Newegg and Sapphire sites, but no joy.

TQ · 07-02-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0NG0

The box "art". Why do all the "designers" always appear to be 12 years old and immensely sexually frustrated?

It gets worse when the shield that hides the cooling fan has similar design characteristics tattooed all over it.
It's actually one of the reasons I want to wait a while before I buy a 4870. Perhaps one of the partners will come out with a more adult version.

I probably wouldn't object to one that had Wonder Woman on it, but hey...she's got class as well as being immortal. That pouty, spikey-haired trollop that ATi seems fascinated with is a bit much for me.

traveler · 07-02-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterT

Also, would someone please tell me the length of the card (from back plate to end of PCB)? The case I have the P4P800-D in is not very deep. TIA.
I tried to find the length on the Newegg and Sapphire sites, but no joy.

It's absolutely criminal that the card lengths are not in the product specifications!

The only way that I have found out the length of the various new cards is by watching the video reviews of them. There are two or three hardware video reviewers and they always mention the card length since they are looking for something to say about it.

PeterT · 07-02-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by traveler

It's absolutely criminal that the card lengths are not in the product specifications!

The only way that I have found out the length of the various new cards is by watching the video reviews of them. There are two or three hardware video reviewers and they always mention the card length since they are looking for something to say about it.

I agree. I almost ordered a 9800GTX thru the EVGA step up program before I called them to confirm the length in their spec sheet online. Turned out the length in the specs was incorrect (the guy I spoke with knew it was) and the actual length was almost 2 inches longer. It would NOT have fit in my case. Good thing I called to confirm before I bought it.

traveler · 07-02-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterT

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.... I called them to confirm the length in their spec sheet online. Turned out the length in the specs was incorrect (the guy I spoke with knew it was) and the actual length was almost 2 inches longer. It would NOT have fit in my case. Good thing I called to confirm before I bought it.

Good idea!!! I hope you gave them at least a 30 minute earful of complaints about the lack of proper information.

PeterT · 07-03-2008, 09:22 AM

Bump for answers to my PSU and length questions. Thanks!

PeterT · 07-03-2008, 03:50 PM

If I can't use the 3850, due to PSU requirements or size, maybe I could use one of these:

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100217L Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
or
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100229L Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

I'm pretty sure both of these would play all the latest games reasonably well and perform considerably better than the X800XT in the older games as well.

Thoughts?

PeterT · 07-03-2008, 10:28 PM

The 2600s don't seem to perform much better than my X800XT in benchmarks

Desktop VGA Charts - Tom's Hardware
Desktop VGA Charts - Tom's Hardware
The only clear advantage seems to be SM4.0 vs. 2.0, so she'd be able to play newer games that require 4.0, i.e. Grid Racing.

sammy2066 · 07-03-2008, 10:43 PM

The sweet spot for performance/$ is the Radeon 4850 .... If you wait for a couple of weeks ... it might drop to it's actual MSRP of $199.

PeterT · 07-03-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sammy2066

The sweet spot for performance/$ is the Radeon 4850 .... If you wait for a couple of weeks ... it might drop to it's actual MSRP of $199.

Thanks Sammy, but I'm looking for an AGP card I can use with a 350w PSU, for ~125USD.

sammy2066 · 07-04-2008, 01:12 AM

Yup, this is the best one out there.

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

The last AGP card I owned was a 6800 Ultra. It served me well ...

Drufuss · 07-04-2008, 01:28 AM

Hi PeterT.

Maybe i find the time to measure the card inside my case.

Looking at other cards avialable on the net i do regret now that i haven't been waiting for the HIS IceQ3 Turbo. This card has the best cooler imho (blows hot air out of case, reports state that its very silent) and has quite high clock rates.

Greetings

Dru

07-02-2008, 12:51 PM	#46
PeterT C/TUSL2C/P4P800D/P5B-D Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sunny Florida, USA Posts: 1,870	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! Newegg has this card for 120USD (after rebate). Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards I am considering getting it for my daughter's rig (P4P800-D in sig), so that she can play some of the newer games (i.e. Grid racing). However, my concern is that the PSU in her case is an Antec 350w and the Sapphire site recommends: "450Watt or greater power supply with 30Amps on 12 volt with 2x4 power connector". If I use the PSU calc here: eXtreme Outer Vision - eXtreme tools for computer enthusiasts and enter everything in the system + the HD3850 card + 15% capacitor aging, I get 332w. I don't want to replace the PSU. Thoughts? TIA. __________________ Proud Member: Team-CUSL2 - 'The Old School Crew' Current: P5B-D, E6600 @ 3.0, 4x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC8500, EVGA 8800GTS 512MB Old: P4P800-D, P4 2.4C @ 3.0, 4x512MB Mushkin PC3200, ATI AIW X800XT 256MB Older: TUSL2C, P3-S 1.4, 2x256MB Corsair XMS150, ATI 9800PRO 128MB, TB Santa Cruz Oldest: CUSL2, P3 1.0, 1x256MB & 2x128MB Corsair PC133, Asus V7700D 32MB, SB Live!
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07-02-2008, 04:12 PM	#47
PeterT C/TUSL2C/P4P800D/P5B-D Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sunny Florida, USA Posts: 1,870	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! Also, would someone please tell me the length of the card (from back plate to end of PCB)? The case I have the P4P800-D in is not very deep. TIA. I tried to find the length on the Newegg and Sapphire sites, but no joy. __________________ Proud Member: Team-CUSL2 - 'The Old School Crew' Current: P5B-D, E6600 @ 3.0, 4x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC8500, EVGA 8800GTS 512MB Old: P4P800-D, P4 2.4C @ 3.0, 4x512MB Mushkin PC3200, ATI AIW X800XT 256MB Older: TUSL2C, P3-S 1.4, 2x256MB Corsair XMS150, ATI 9800PRO 128MB, TB Santa Cruz Oldest: CUSL2, P3 1.0, 1x256MB & 2x128MB Corsair PC133, Asus V7700D 32MB, SB Live!
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07-03-2008, 09:22 AM	#52
PeterT C/TUSL2C/P4P800D/P5B-D Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sunny Florida, USA Posts: 1,870	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! Bump for answers to my PSU and length questions. Thanks! __________________ Proud Member: Team-CUSL2 - 'The Old School Crew' Current: P5B-D, E6600 @ 3.0, 4x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC8500, EVGA 8800GTS 512MB Old: P4P800-D, P4 2.4C @ 3.0, 4x512MB Mushkin PC3200, ATI AIW X800XT 256MB Older: TUSL2C, P3-S 1.4, 2x256MB Corsair XMS150, ATI 9800PRO 128MB, TB Santa Cruz Oldest: CUSL2, P3 1.0, 1x256MB & 2x128MB Corsair PC133, Asus V7700D 32MB, SB Live!
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07-03-2008, 03:50 PM	#53
PeterT C/TUSL2C/P4P800D/P5B-D Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sunny Florida, USA Posts: 1,870	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! If I can't use the 3850, due to PSU requirements or size, maybe I could use one of these: Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100217L Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards or Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100229L Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards I'm pretty sure both of these would play all the latest games reasonably well and perform considerably better than the X800XT in the older games as well. Thoughts? __________________ Proud Member: Team-CUSL2 - 'The Old School Crew' Current: P5B-D, E6600 @ 3.0, 4x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC8500, EVGA 8800GTS 512MB Old: P4P800-D, P4 2.4C @ 3.0, 4x512MB Mushkin PC3200, ATI AIW X800XT 256MB Older: TUSL2C, P3-S 1.4, 2x256MB Corsair XMS150, ATI 9800PRO 128MB, TB Santa Cruz Oldest: CUSL2, P3 1.0, 1x256MB & 2x128MB Corsair PC133, Asus V7700D 32MB, SB Live!
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07-03-2008, 10:28 PM	#54
PeterT C/TUSL2C/P4P800D/P5B-D Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sunny Florida, USA Posts: 1,870	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! The 2600s don't seem to perform much better than my X800XT in benchmarks Desktop VGA Charts - Tom's Hardware Desktop VGA Charts - Tom's Hardware The only clear advantage seems to be SM4.0 vs. 2.0, so she'd be able to play newer games that require 4.0, i.e. Grid Racing. __________________ Proud Member: Team-CUSL2 - 'The Old School Crew' Current: P5B-D, E6600 @ 3.0, 4x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC8500, EVGA 8800GTS 512MB Old: P4P800-D, P4 2.4C @ 3.0, 4x512MB Mushkin PC3200, ATI AIW X800XT 256MB Older: TUSL2C, P3-S 1.4, 2x256MB Corsair XMS150, ATI 9800PRO 128MB, TB Santa Cruz Oldest: CUSL2, P3 1.0, 1x256MB & 2x128MB Corsair PC133, Asus V7700D 32MB, SB Live!
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07-03-2008, 10:43 PM	#55
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07-04-2008, 01:12 AM	#57
sammy2066 ABX Public Relations Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ABXZone.com Posts: 8,509	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! Yup, this is the best one out there. Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards The last AGP card I owned was a 6800 Ultra. It served me well ... __________________ That's what she said ....
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07-04-2008, 01:28 AM	#58
Drufuss CUSL2-C Freak Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Österreich Posts: 2,650	Re: Sapphire HD3850 AGP 512MB is IN.. the Good & the Bad...! Hi PeterT. Maybe i find the time to measure the card inside my case. Looking at other cards avialable on the net i do regret now that i haven't been waiting for the HIS IceQ3 Turbo. This card has the best cooler imho (blows hot air out of case, reports state that its very silent) and has quite high clock rates. Greetings Dru __________________ System specs: MB: ASrock Conroe865PE CPU: Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz @ 3 GHz Mem: 4 x 1GB DDR-Ram Corsair Storage: 2 x Seagate 7200.ESII 500GB SATA Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD3850 512MB AGP Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS, Hauppauge HVR4000 DVB-S/S2/T, Dlink DWL-G520, Logitech Z-5450 5.1 THX Wireless OS: Win XP MCE 2005, Suse Linux 10.3 CUSL2-C ruled! ..äh... RulEd! Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. Last edited by Drufuss : 07-04-2008 at 02:05 AM.
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