How much does water really help?

FB · 02-10-2005, 01:17 AM

well guys, how much does water really help?
with my current setup running 2.6ghz and running F@H i am peaking at 35C if i turn all my case fans down. I am using a Zalman 7000B Cu to cool. i wouldn't gain much if i were to go to water would I? only if i wanted to push high voltages correct?

Underwater Mike · 02-10-2005, 11:45 AM

I think you're fine as-is. The only reason I went for water was the challenge of it. If you jack the Vcore way up, or you're really pushing the video, then it might help. But for 35C I wouldn't bother.

Unless, of course, it's the "because it's there" factor.

FB · 02-10-2005, 11:52 AM

that is what i was thinking

Goldenfarmb · 02-10-2005, 02:07 PM

Being that far north i am assuming that your ambient temps are quite cool. Where I live it can get up 110 in the summer with temps a comfortable 80 degrees inside my house. With those ambient temps I needed some extra cooling if I was going to do any OC'ing and put any load on my rig.

Plus the opportunity came up where I could get a great price on an Exos-Al and the challenge was eating me up inside. I dove right in and am loving it.

FB · 02-10-2005, 02:10 PM

true about the temps, but my apt is 70F year round

gotta love central air

Underwater Mike · 02-10-2005, 02:30 PM

The Exos is a nice kit, although black might look better with that painted case! FWIW, I spent more going the DIY route, but I really learned a lot in the process.

Gaspar · 02-10-2005, 05:26 PM

FB! Those temps on Air are amazing. I am using watercooling and am running only slightly faster than that at 2.67ghz. My temps on water are 40c idle 48c load. Im convinced my board doesnt read temps accurate though. Id be happy with those temps. If you know for a fact that the cpu has more in it and temps are holding you back then it would help but the price to performance ratio isnt positive really

FB · 02-10-2005, 06:02 PM

i think i am getting close to max, because i can't encode video at 260x10

and my mem is good to at least 265.

sorrow · 02-10-2005, 06:09 PM

Well, as you can see from my sig below, i'm using water. I do like it, it keeps my prescott cool even with extra voltage. I don't have central air and it does get hot in the summer so definatly it will help with that. Honestly though i'm thinkin of selling it off, because what i really want is a nice stable oc that doesn't need more vcore and i can go completely silent in my case.
I'm gettin to that point where i think silence is golden... so i may go passive humongous heatsink int he future here lol

but ya with the right gear water is COOL

John64 · 02-10-2005, 06:20 PM

isnt 35C reallly low, i am getting really high temps even at stock

FB · 02-10-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by John64

isnt 35C reallly low, i am getting really high temps even at stock

i am idling at about 25C, and max of 34-35C with F@H or Prime running.

Eldonko · 02-10-2005, 08:16 PM

3 advantages to H20 in my opinion:

1. Silence. I was sick of hearing umpteen fans running all the time.
2. In some cases temps. In my case H20 also allowed me to push vcore further without temps being a factor. My newcastle has been running hot since I got it, with vcore @1.65 I was reaching >60C which is bad for the chip and leads to OC stability issues. Now I can do what I want to vcore and dont exceed 45C.
3. Its fun to build your own custom H20 system and looks cool as hell!

LightSpeed · 02-14-2005, 09:41 PM

Zalman is not exactly the heatsink of choice for overclocking, but it is for low noise. I haven't seen ANY good overclocks on a Zalman to this day, at least none that impress me considering the stock intel cooler is good to 1000FSB on a 3.0C, and I have yet to see any Zalman cooled CPUs running >3.6GHz with decent temps.
With my watercooled setup @3.8GHz, my idle CPU temp is ~26C, max load ~34c on a prescott running 273FSBx14.
Even at 4.2GHz I don't see 40C under load
As sorrow mentioned, the lack of extra noise is a big plus, cooler temps and better stability are a bonus, and it looks cool

I won't be going back to air cooling any time soon

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02-10-2005, 11:45 AM	#2
Underwater Mike Thoroughly water-cooled Join Date: May 2003 Location: Somewhere, beyond the sea Posts: 2,595	I think you're fine as-is. The only reason I went for water was the challenge of it. If you jack the Vcore way up, or you're really pushing the video, then it might help. But for 35C I wouldn't bother. Unless, of course, it's the "because it's there" factor. __________________ My boxes
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02-10-2005, 11:52 AM	#3
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	that is what i was thinking __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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02-10-2005, 02:07 PM	#4
Goldenfarmb B is for Bucket Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central CA Posts: 600	Being that far north i am assuming that your ambient temps are quite cool. Where I live it can get up 110 in the summer with temps a comfortable 80 degrees inside my house. With those ambient temps I needed some extra cooling if I was going to do any OC'ing and put any load on my rig. Plus the opportunity came up where I could get a great price on an Exos-Al and the challenge was eating me up inside. I dove right in and am loving it.
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02-10-2005, 02:10 PM	#5
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	true about the temps, but my apt is 70F year round gotta love central air __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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02-10-2005, 02:30 PM	#6
Underwater Mike Thoroughly water-cooled Join Date: May 2003 Location: Somewhere, beyond the sea Posts: 2,595	The Exos is a nice kit, although black might look better with that painted case! FWIW, I spent more going the DIY route, but I really learned a lot in the process. __________________ My boxes
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Gaspar Im back... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Taxachusetts!! Posts: 3,238	FB! Those temps on Air are amazing. I am using watercooling and am running only slightly faster than that at 2.67ghz. My temps on water are 40c idle 48c load. Im convinced my board doesnt read temps accurate though. Id be happy with those temps. If you know for a fact that the cpu has more in it and temps are holding you back then it would help but the price to performance ratio isnt positive really __________________ OPTY 144@2.95ghz/DFI NF4 ULTRA D/2GB Patriot pc3200 CE-6 @540mhz/7900GTX 3d01 34k
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02-10-2005, 06:02 PM	#8
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	i think i am getting close to max, because i can't encode video at 260x10 and my mem is good to at least 265. __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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02-10-2005, 06:09 PM	#9
sorrow 010011100100100101001110 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,243	Well, as you can see from my sig below, i'm using water. I do like it, it keeps my prescott cool even with extra voltage. I don't have central air and it does get hot in the summer so definatly it will help with that. Honestly though i'm thinkin of selling it off, because what i really want is a nice stable oc that doesn't need more vcore and i can go completely silent in my case. I'm gettin to that point where i think silence is golden... so i may go passive humongous heatsink int he future here lol but ya with the right gear water is COOL __________________ A64 X2 4800+ (Toledo) A8N32-SLI-Deluxe PQI 2x1gb (2.5/4/4/8/1T) WD 150gb 10,000rpm Raptor eVGA 8800GTX Asus Xonar DX Thermaltake PurePower 560w Gigabyte Aurora Case Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24" LCD My site in progress: http://www.average-geek.com
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02-10-2005, 06:20 PM	#10
John64 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,449	isnt 35C reallly low, i am getting really high temps even at stock __________________
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02-10-2005, 08:16 PM	#12
Eldonko Revolutionary Mule Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 2,987	3 advantages to H20 in my opinion: 1. Silence. I was sick of hearing umpteen fans running all the time. 2. In some cases temps. In my case H20 also allowed me to push vcore further without temps being a factor. My newcastle has been running hot since I got it, with vcore @1.65 I was reaching >60C which is bad for the chip and leads to OC stability issues. Now I can do what I want to vcore and dont exceed 45C. 3. Its fun to build your own custom H20 system and looks cool as hell! __________________ PM me for Mushkin questions or support.
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02-14-2005, 09:41 PM	#13
LightSpeed Got Speed? Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 576	Zalman is not exactly the heatsink of choice for overclocking, but it is for low noise. I haven't seen ANY good overclocks on a Zalman to this day, at least none that impress me considering the stock intel cooler is good to 1000FSB on a 3.0C, and I have yet to see any Zalman cooled CPUs running >3.6GHz with decent temps. With my watercooled setup @3.8GHz, my idle CPU temp is ~26C, max load ~34c on a prescott running 273FSBx14. Even at 4.2GHz I don't see 40C under load As sorrow mentioned, the lack of extra noise is a big plus, cooler temps and better stability are a bonus, and it looks cool I won't be going back to air cooling any time soon __________________ Rig #1: DFI LanParty 875P-T, Prescott 3.2F 640 N0 @ 4.35GHz 1 GB Kit OCZ EL Platinum PC4200 @2.5/3/3/8 Swiftech 6002 CPU block, BIX3 + BIX rads ATI All-In-Wonder X800XT, Catalyst 5.4 SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Seagate Barracuda V 160GB SATA, Liteon 1673S, Liteon 5237 OCZ PowerStream 600W PSU WinXP Pro SP2 Rig #2: ASUS P4C800E, BIOS 1021, P4 3.0C @ 3.8GHz, cooled by ThermalTake BigWater 1GB Kit OCZ VX4000, 2.5/2/2/8, 3.6v, Turbo, PAT enabled @1:1 ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro, Catalyst 5.3 WD 160GB SATA, Liteon 48161 OCZ Modstream 520W PSU WinXP Pro SP2 Any input given is a result of first-hand experience, not some *** I read on the internet*
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