Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP

SRTDodge05 · 12-05-2007, 08:39 PM

Microsoft internal metrics show Vista piracy rate about half that of XP

Windows with all its faults and problems is still the most popular computer operating system around. That also means it is one of the most pirated operating systems around.
Piracy of the Windows operating system is so rampant that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced in February of this year that piracy was to blame for slow Vista sales. Ironically, a month after the piracy is to blame for slow sales announcement; Microsoft came back touting its brisk sales figures for Windows Vista.
By July of 2007, Microsoft had sold 60 million copies of Windows Vista and proudly proclaimed it intended to ship 1 billion copies by 2008. In an effort to stop pirates from selling illegal copies of Vista, Microsoft introduced a reduced functionality mode in September of 2007. The same month Microsoft announced it would downgrade Vista haters to Windows XP.
This week Microsoft announced that its Vista SP1 would directly target users running illegal copies of Vista. Microsoft Corporate vice president of Windows product marketing Michael Sievert said in an interview this week, “While piracy rates are hard to measure precisely, we’re seeing indications from internal metrics, like WGA validation failures, that the Windows Vista piracy rate is less than half that of Windows XP today.”

DailyTech - Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP

SRTDodge05 · 12-05-2007, 08:43 PM

1. Vista sales are around half of xp sales
2. No real need to upgrade
3. Price

That is why there isnt many pirated copies around. MS needs to get it into there head that here new baby OS isnt selling.

mameluke · 12-05-2007, 09:44 PM

I ordered a new system and Had to get windows Vista with it because it has 4 gigs of ram and xp can only use 3 of that.

Forced upgrades suck

Mame

SRTDodge05 · 12-05-2007, 09:47 PM

Well you can still get 4gb with xp but you'll only see a max of 3.25gb. I noticed a few companies like dell, hp and gateway offer 3gb as a option.

mameluke · 12-05-2007, 11:44 PM

Is SP3 for winxp gonna fix the 4gb issue or is it not gonna get fixed at all?

Anyone know?

Mame

**Gorganzola** · 12-06-2007, 12:12 AM

MS Windows SP3 will not even attempt to address this. This issue isn't something that can be addressed by the service pack.

The 750MB lost is due to a requirement for the system to have a segment of addresses to access system resources in a 32 bit architechture. Moving to a 64 bit architechture will move this address space to a higher limit, significantly higher. It is still there, just not going to reach it any time soon.

This is just like the 640K "limit" people perceived. There was actually 1MB of memory but the 360K above the 640K limit was reserved for system resources.

SupDawg · 12-06-2007, 02:27 AM

lol, its because no one wants the damn OS...

5150 · 12-06-2007, 03:15 AM

My sig is my POV on Vista. C'mon Microsoft - I dare you to GIVE me a free copy of Ultimate so as to tempt me...

...I still won't use it tho!

BoWevil_abx · 12-06-2007, 03:38 AM

That the piracy rate is about half that of XP might be because even the pirates realize what a dog Vista is.

RaiNMaN00001 · 12-06-2007, 04:25 AM

I always loved to get the latest MS OS running on my system, i like new features and the new look. Ok, MS OSes usually don't come with many new features, but anyways i like it to stay up to date.
The only two times i didn't upgrade where WinME (what a sad OS) and Vista...while vista is significantly better than ME it still looks very much like MEII, as the inquirer loves to call it.

Too bad...

mameluke · 12-06-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorganzola

MS Windows SP3 will not even attempt to address this. This issue isn't something that can be addressed by the service pack.

The 750MB lost is due to a requirement for the system to have a segment of addresses to access system resources in a 32 bit architechture. Moving to a 64 bit architechture will move this address space to a higher limit, significantly higher. It is still there, just not going to reach it any time soon.

This is just like the 640K "limit" people perceived. There was actually 1MB of memory but the 360K above the 640K limit was reserved for system resources.

Wait does this mean that if I use Xp 64 bit I can fix this and run my system with Xp and 4 gigs of ram?

Mame

RaiNMaN00001 · 12-06-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mameluke

Wait does this mean that if I use Xp 64 bit I can fix this and run my system with Xp and 4 gigs of ram?

Mame

All you need is a 64bit OS, that means it doesn't necessary be Vista.
I'll go for XP64 with my new rig, can't wait to see it running

SRTDodge05 · 12-06-2007, 07:20 PM

I forgot how much memory can support in the 64bit os but i know its a lot. If you move to 64bit os need to check for driver support and software. Xp and Vista 32bit read the memory the same so just doing a upgrade isnt going to help unless its 64bit.

**Gorganzola** · 12-07-2007, 01:26 AM

Yuppers, just make sure you have a 64 bit processor and the drivers available for the rest of your kit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mameluke

Wait does this mean that if I use Xp 64 bit I can fix this and run my system with Xp and 4 gigs of ram?

Mame

12-05-2007, 08:39 PM	#1
SRTDodge05 Grab Life By The Balls Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,835	Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP Microsoft internal metrics show Vista piracy rate about half that of XP Windows with all its faults and problems is still the most popular computer operating system around. That also means it is one of the most pirated operating systems around. Piracy of the Windows operating system is so rampant that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced in February of this year that piracy was to blame for slow Vista sales. Ironically, a month after the piracy is to blame for slow sales announcement; Microsoft came back touting its brisk sales figures for Windows Vista. By July of 2007, Microsoft had sold 60 million copies of Windows Vista and proudly proclaimed it intended to ship 1 billion copies by 2008. In an effort to stop pirates from selling illegal copies of Vista, Microsoft introduced a reduced functionality mode in September of 2007. The same month Microsoft announced it would downgrade Vista haters to Windows XP. This week Microsoft announced that its Vista SP1 would directly target users running illegal copies of Vista. Microsoft Corporate vice president of Windows product marketing Michael Sievert said in an interview this week, “While piracy rates are hard to measure precisely, we’re seeing indications from internal metrics, like WGA validation failures, that the Windows Vista piracy rate is less than half that of Windows XP today.” DailyTech - Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP
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12-05-2007, 08:43 PM	#2
SRTDodge05 Grab Life By The Balls Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,835	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP 1. Vista sales are around half of xp sales 2. No real need to upgrade 3. Price That is why there isnt many pirated copies around. MS needs to get it into there head that here new baby OS isnt selling.
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12-05-2007, 09:44 PM	#3
mameluke Lord of the Lurkers Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 206	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP I ordered a new system and Had to get windows Vista with it because it has 4 gigs of ram and xp can only use 3 of that. Forced upgrades suck Mame __________________ P4C800-E Deluxe \| P4C 3.2 E Ghz \| Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Cpu cooling \| 2 x 1Gb OCZ DDR 3200 \| Seagate 500 gig S-ATA \| Seagate 750 gig S-ATA \|Saphire 9700 Pro \| Lite-On 52-32-52 CD-RW \| LG 20x DVD burner \| Logitech MX518 \| Windows XP Pro \| ------------------------------------------ Now you see that evil will always triumph...Because good is dumb. ------------------------------------------
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12-05-2007, 09:47 PM	#4
SRTDodge05 Grab Life By The Balls Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,835	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP Well you can still get 4gb with xp but you'll only see a max of 3.25gb. I noticed a few companies like dell, hp and gateway offer 3gb as a option.
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12-05-2007, 11:44 PM	#5
mameluke Lord of the Lurkers Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 206	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP Is SP3 for winxp gonna fix the 4gb issue or is it not gonna get fixed at all? Anyone know? Mame __________________ P4C800-E Deluxe \| P4C 3.2 E Ghz \| Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu Cpu cooling \| 2 x 1Gb OCZ DDR 3200 \| Seagate 500 gig S-ATA \| Seagate 750 gig S-ATA \|Saphire 9700 Pro \| Lite-On 52-32-52 CD-RW \| LG 20x DVD burner \| Logitech MX518 \| Windows XP Pro \| ------------------------------------------ Now you see that evil will always triumph...Because good is dumb. ------------------------------------------
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12-06-2007, 12:12 AM	#6
Gorganzola ABXZone > Facebook Join Date: May 2001 Location: Hangin' with the fruits Posts: 9,510	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP MS Windows SP3 will not even attempt to address this. This issue isn't something that can be addressed by the service pack. The 750MB lost is due to a requirement for the system to have a segment of addresses to access system resources in a 32 bit architechture. Moving to a 64 bit architechture will move this address space to a higher limit, significantly higher. It is still there, just not going to reach it any time soon. This is just like the 640K "limit" people perceived. There was actually 1MB of memory but the 360K above the 640K limit was reserved for system resources. __________________ TTFN. I wasn't asleep at the switch, I was drunk. -- Homer J. Simpson Q. How many dull people does it take to change a lightbulb? A. One. A very useful tool on these forums: You can Meebo in public.
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12-06-2007, 02:27 AM	#7
SupDawg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,090	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP lol, its because no one wants the damn OS... __________________ The views expressed in this electronic dialogue are mine alone. "All physics are belong to me. " Kongo
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12-06-2007, 03:15 AM	#8
5150 1984: OUR future? Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 1,788	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP My sig is my POV on Vista. C'mon Microsoft - I dare you to GIVE me a free copy of Ultimate so as to tempt me... ...I still won't use it tho! __________________
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BoWevil_abx Non-expert Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Traveling full time Posts: 1,865	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP That the piracy rate is about half that of XP might be because even the pirates realize what a dog Vista is.
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SRTDodge05 Grab Life By The Balls Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,835	Re: Microsoft Claims Vista Counterfeit Rate is Half that of XP I forgot how much memory can support in the 64bit os but i know its a lot. If you move to 64bit os need to check for driver support and software. Xp and Vista 32bit read the memory the same so just doing a upgrade isnt going to help unless its 64bit.
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