AMD vs INTEL, Is the Battle Over, or Just Beginning? - Page 2

fvbounty · 07-19-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Eldonko

AMD will compete on price-performance until they get the next best thing out. The price cuts on the 24th on some chips are huge. When you can get a 5000+ x2 for a couple hundred you may think twice before going with Conroe.

Prices here

Monarch has those new prices in there configurater when putting together a MB package, $289 for a 5000+x2 is a Great price..

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?new...xobmV3cywsLDE=

**Sandog** · 07-19-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eldonko

AMD will compete on price-performance until they get the next best thing out. The price cuts on the 24th on some chips are huge. When you can get a 5000+ x2 for a couple hundred you may think twice before going with Conroe.

Prices here

Hey Eldonko,

That price isn't scheduled to drop any lower than $324.00. Doesn't the E6600 beat the FX-62 or equal it?

http://xtreview.com/review115.htm

E6600 Pricing.

h20-ski · 07-19-2006, 11:45 AM

I picked what is in my budget. Seeing as I have now pretty much gone to dualies, Intel takes the cake for cheap dual processor workstations. Granted they are not so cheap right now on that front and AMD has the advantage, but many of the major workstation motherboard manufactors have not built a board to that market.

SlowJoeBlow · 07-19-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by h20-ski

I picked what is in my budget. Seeing as I have now pretty much gone to dualies, Intel takes the cake for cheap dual processor workstations. Granted they are not so cheap right now on that front and AMD has the advantage, but many of the major workstation motherboard manufactors have not built a board to that market.

I feel that way as well, but seeing as I just put together a sys. 5 months ago, the only upgrade I see in the future is the graphic subsystem. In other words if I can run my games at 1280*1024 with all the eye-candy >30fps I'm happy

h20-ski · 07-19-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowJoeBlow

I feel that way as well, but seeing as I just put together a sys. 5 months ago, the only upgrade I see in the future is the graphic subsystem. In other words if I can run my games at 1280*1024 with all the eye-candy >30fps I'm happy

Agreed, although I push for 16 X 12. And right now with all the dual core buzz, I actually like my dual single core more. ie has more tweaking options than a single dual core.

Eldonko · 07-19-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandog

Hey Eldonko,

That price isn't scheduled to drop any lower than $324.00. Doesn't the E6600 beat the FX-62 or equal it?

http://xtreview.com/review115.htm

E6600 Pricing.

Agreed, but my point is AMD will remain more competitive than most think for the next few months at least. Also you are comparing chips that are not available yet and we still don’t know how much retailers will jack the prices or if Intel will meet the demand.

Cutting prices by nearly 50% on some chips is a good start for AMD and the EE chips could be huge clockers, no one knows yet for sure. Should be an interesting next few months anyway.

**Sandog** · 07-19-2006, 01:18 PM

I think the performance of Conroe in regards to speed and OC has been closely determined already but I agree that the availability is another matter. Not only is that in question because even Intel stated the .65nm parts only occupy 25% of processors for this year but the demand for any and all of these chips is going to be enormous and as economics goes, supply down = demand up (even higher) and you will see online e-marketers like NE charging premiums.

Eldonko · 07-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Yep and when you can buy a 3800+ X2 for $150 and put extra money you would otherwise spend on chip towards SLI, there is the niche for AMD. Profits have to be very low after those price cuts though.

My Intel stocks are up nearly a buck since I got em last month, so I hope Intel cleans up upon Conroe launch!

**Sandog** · 07-19-2006, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldonko

Yep and when you can buy a 3800+ X2 for $150 and put extra money you would otherwise spend on chip towards SLI, there is the niche for AMD. Profits have to be very low after those price cuts though.

My Intel stocks are up nearly a buck since I got em last month, so I hope Intel cleans up upon Conroe launch!

Yep and AMD has spent a lot of money lately. Hopefully they saw this coming and are budgeting accordingly. Intels Conroe availability should dampen the blow on AMD luckily.

SupDawg · 07-19-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldonko

AMD will compete on price-performance until they get the next best thing out. The price cuts on the 24th on some chips are huge. When you can get a 5000+ x2 for a couple hundred you may think twice before going with Conroe.

Prices here

Not if you are overclocking!

Imagine a 2-300$ chip that does 3.8ghz on air.

No matter what prices AMD chips comes to, they simply do not have the headroom to do that.

tamarelle · 07-19-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDawg

Not if you are overclocking!

Imagine a 2-300$ chip that does 3.8ghz on air.

No matter what prices AMD chips comes to, they simply do not have the headroom to do that.

Exactly

I will go conroe or bust. The 6600 looks so yummy right now I am tingling hehe

**Sandog** · 07-19-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupDawg

Not if you are overclocking!

Imagine a 2-300$ chip that does 3.8ghz on air.

No matter what prices AMD chips comes to, they simply do not have the headroom to do that.

Here's the way it use to be with AMD 64 compared to Intels old and now new CPU's.
Performance = better
TDP = better
OC ability = even
Value = better
Availability = worse

Here's how it is now with AMD.
Performance = worse
TDP = worse
OC ability = worse
Value = worse
Availability = better

The table has completely reversed IMO.

John64 · 07-19-2006, 05:13 PM

The only thing i care is that i get the fastest chip for my money, max of around $400CDN

polonyc2 · 07-20-2006, 12:19 AM

AMD will come back soon and give CORE a run for the money

I don't think it will be "soon" but AMD will make a comeback...AMD has known about Conroe and it's performance for some time now...4 x 4 or whatever it's called is a nice first step to counter Conroe...Intel will have the lead for 1-1.5 years

h20-ski · 07-20-2006, 09:38 AM

TheInquier is reporting that quad core Clovertown and Kentsfield may be on the market by the end of this year. Which more than likely means that yeilds are good for Core2. As for availability I think that there will not be a shortage, well I mean long term. With a new architecture that appears to be the fastest, all the enthuasist have to have it, which means that the few that are sold retail are gone quickly, but the OEM channels will still have as many as they need.

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I think it is perfectly reasonable to sell my FX-62 system and get a Conroe EE 2.93 based system.	11	6.11%
AMD will come back soon and give CORE a run for the money.	39	21.67%
I will NEVER buy an Intel based system.	3	1.67%
I will NEVER buy an AMD based system.	27	15.00%
Long live the Altair 8800.	2	1.11%
FLAH!!!....I'm gettin a MAC!	5	2.78%
I buy strictly based on my needs, be it budget, performance, or other practical needs.	97	53.89%
I absolutely have to own the fastest PC possible at all times with all the latest hardware inside.	23	12.78%
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07-19-2006, 11:45 AM	#18
h20-ski Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 2,460	I picked what is in my budget. Seeing as I have now pretty much gone to dualies, Intel takes the cake for cheap dual processor workstations. Granted they are not so cheap right now on that front and AMD has the advantage, but many of the major workstation motherboard manufactors have not built a board to that market.
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07-19-2006, 01:18 PM	#22
Sandog Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,688	I think the performance of Conroe in regards to speed and OC has been closely determined already but I agree that the availability is another matter. Not only is that in question because even Intel stated the .65nm parts only occupy 25% of processors for this year but the demand for any and all of these chips is going to be enormous and as economics goes, supply down = demand up (even higher) and you will see online e-marketers like NE charging premiums.
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07-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#23
Eldonko Revolutionary Mule Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 2,987	Yep and when you can buy a 3800+ X2 for $150 and put extra money you would otherwise spend on chip towards SLI, there is the niche for AMD. Profits have to be very low after those price cuts though. My Intel stocks are up nearly a buck since I got em last month, so I hope Intel cleans up upon Conroe launch! __________________ PM me for Mushkin questions or support.
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polonyc2 Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 8,200	AMD will come back soon and give CORE a run for the money I don't think it will be "soon" but AMD will make a comeback...AMD has known about Conroe and it's performance for some time now...4 x 4 or whatever it's called is a nice first step to counter Conroe...Intel will have the lead for 1-1.5 years __________________ ASUS Maximus Formula (X38) *** XFX GTX 260 Black Edition Core 216 896MB Intel E8400 * Noctua NH-U12P G.Skill 4 GB (2 X 2 GB) DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 * Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB WD6401AALS Lian Li PC-A70B (black) * Corsair HX850W AuzenTech Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 * Creative Inspire P5800 5.1 speakers Sony Optiarc AD-7240S-0B * Sony GDM-F520 21' CRT monitor (19.8' viewable) Vista Business 64-bit w/SP2 * standard 3.5" floppy drive Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 *** Microsoft Wired Keyboard 500 (Black)
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07-20-2006, 09:38 AM	#30
h20-ski Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 2,460	TheInquier is reporting that quad core Clovertown and Kentsfield may be on the market by the end of this year. Which more than likely means that yeilds are good for Core2. As for availability I think that there will not be a shortage, well I mean long term. With a new architecture that appears to be the fastest, all the enthuasist have to have it, which means that the few that are sold retail are gone quickly, but the OEM channels will still have as many as they need.
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