I give up - Page 3

P4Northwood · 09-08-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by falcon26
I give up. I have tried different outlets, tried swapping out the memory video card sound card you name it. I tried a different power supply, hard drive everything. And I still get radom reboots and cold boots and sometimes you can hear everything power up and all the fans spin but a nice black screen on the monitor. I never had problems like this when I had AMD. I think I will RMA this Intel I875 board back to newegg and get an AMD rig going, so long intel call me when you get your I865PE and I875 chipsets worked out......

Falcon26

The problem is, your buying this stuff from NewEgg. All stores have products that are defective right out of a brandnew box.. Your motherboard is most likely defective in some way, or it is bad memory.. You cant say Intel products are no good see ya. You must RMA the board and memory and try again. There are to many ofus here with happy Intel systems....I can understand your eagerness to get the system up and running, but if you have a bad part,...you have a bad part. Whats up with your memory? That is the most likely culperate in this situation. You might have overclocked pc2700 sold as pc3200. The blame is not with Intel, its with Newegg. You dont have a local shop where you can buy the parts from? So if its bad you can get in the guys face and demand an exchange. Thats why I wont buy stuff like this over the internet.. Its to risky.....Just maintain your composure and try again... AMD cant hold a candle to a good Intel setup. The facts are the facts.. I have owned several AMD systems, and you have 10 times more driver problems and hardware conflicts more than Intel systems. This might start a flame war, but thats not my intention...Sorry, but lets all just tell the truth here, AMD is not where its at!!!

CrocHammer · 09-08-2003, 02:09 PM

P4, I am not sure all that is helpful. Falcon has taken a day to diagnose so let's let him have it. Sometimes a a good rant clears the air and he did that. I don't think this is an AMD versus Intel thing and I don't see the point in going there.

I have had weird flaky stuff like this before and solved it by simply doing a re-install of Windows with clean drivers. You never know.

Yes you could try another driver for the NIC. It is possible you have a corrupt driver too as it is unlikely to be the cable. Looking at Pointreyes suggestion it would not hurt to re-install or update the driver for the sound card too. I would almost be willing to suspect sound card first but you never know.

Hang in there Falcon and keep us posted..

**k0NG0** · 09-08-2003, 02:14 PM

Well put, CrocHammer.

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Originally posted by P4Northwood
Sorry, but lets all just tell the truth here, AMD is not where its at!!!

...yet.

http://www.tbreak.com/forums/showthr...threadid=19317

FWIK, if you take care when installing an AMD system, it can and will be as stable as an Intel system. The nForce2 chipset in particular is supposed to be solid as a rock.

Just trying to put some perspective on things.

-kONGO

JoeFrat · 09-08-2003, 02:19 PM

Just a small note here. I've purchased well over 150 full computers from newegg, with very few bad parts. Most of those were HD's with bad bearings. Saying that ordering over the internet is too risky...hmmm your local supplier buys their parts from the same big warehouses, so whats the difference?

Oh and getting in the guys face and demanding stuff isn't going to get a new MB any faster.....

Quote:

Originally posted by P4Northwood
The problem is, your buying this stuff from NewEgg. All stores have products that are defective right out of a brandnew box.. Your motherboard is most likely defective in some way, or it is bad memory.. You cant say Intel products are no good see ya. You must RMA the board and memory and try again. There are to many ofus here with happy Intel systems....I can understand your eagerness to get the system up and running, but if you have a bad part,...you have a bad part. Whats up with your memory? That is the most likely culperate in this situation. You might have overclocked pc2700 sold as pc3200. The blame is not with Intel, its with Newegg. You dont have a local shop where you can buy the parts from? So if its bad you can get in the guys face and demand an exchange. Thats why I wont buy stuff like this over the internet.. Its to risky.....Just maintain your composure and try again... AMD cant hold a candle to a good Intel setup. The facts are the facts.. I have owned several AMD systems, and you have 10 times more driver problems and hardware conflicts more than Intel systems. This might start a flame war, but thats not my intention...Sorry, but lets all just tell the truth here, AMD is not where its at!!!

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 02:26 PM

I did need a good rant yesterday :-) I really like both Intel and AMD. ANd I did reinstall my sound card driver for my audigy 2 card. And so far it seems ok. I have restarted my computer about 10 times without a problem. I also turned back on the on board lan and it seems ok. What about my PSU. With my old one in my 12V is always at 12.1 with my 430 watt truepower its at 11.7 is this ok?

Falcon26

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 02:37 PM

Ok I have now tried starting and rebooting my computer about 30 times after putting in the new sound card driver. It hasn't given me the blue screen once. Now I'm still wondering if that would account for the cold starts as well. I mean when I turn my computer on in the morning everything powers up, but all I get is a black screen on the monitor, even though the monitor has power. I really scared to put my MB back in my case and put other PSU on.......

falcon26

P4Northwood · 09-08-2003, 02:38 PM

I knew that reply would upset some people.. Sorry guys.. AMD chipsets in and of them self are excellent.. Meaning when AMD made their own chipsets, it worked like a charm.. I guess I was going from old Via chipset garbage.. I have not tried the Nforce chipsets. So most likely they should be stable, coming from Nvidia.. But anyways, sorry to get your dander up.. Dont wanna **** of my buddy Crochammer!!! And need to stay out of Kongo's path as well!! So I take back my rant!!!

Good luck Falcon, stick with it.. What I would normally do is istall the OS with just the video card.. Load all the drivers, and run all benches.. That way its easier to isolate what the problem is.

P4Northwood · 09-08-2003, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by JoeFrat
Just a small note here. I've purchased well over 150 full computers from newegg, with very few bad parts. Most of those were HD's with bad bearings. Saying that ordering over the internet is too risky...hmmm your local supplier buys their parts from the same big warehouses, so whats the difference?

Oh and getting in the guys face and demanding stuff isn't going to get a new MB any faster.....

Now actuallay getting in a guys face would be completely worthless as adults right. Figure of speech.. But at least you could have a solution today, as opposed to having to wait 2 weeks for a solution.. But to each his own...Glad your newegg purchases have been successful. Everyone is not as lucky as you..

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 02:50 PM

I'm doing a format than a reinstall of xp.....I only have my radeon plugged in everything else is out or disabled in the bios I'll add things one by one and see what starts to cause all the trouble..

Karl

pointreyes · 09-08-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by P4Northwood
I knew that reply would upset some people.. Sorry guys.. AMD chipsets in and of them self are excellent.. Meaning when AMD made their own chipsets, it worked like a charm.. I guess I was going from old Via chipset garbage.. I have not tried the Nforce chipsets. So most likely they should be stable, coming from Nvidia.. But anyways, sorry to get your dander up.. Dont wanna **** of my buddy Crochammer!!! And need to stay out of Kongo's path as well!! So I take back my rant!!!

Didn't upset me-I just suspected you did not know what you were talking about due to being burned with Via chipset boards.

My most stable system out of my four computers. My IWill MPX2 (AMD760 chipset). Then again, I'm not using Windows on that box either. Yes, pointreyes found a place to plug Linux into this thread.

Click on my profile to see all my hardware-only one is Intel.

pointreyes · 09-08-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by falcon26
I'm doing a format than a reinstall of xp.....I only have my radeon plugged in everything else is out or disabled in the bios I'll add things one by one and see what starts to cause all the trouble..

Karl

What drivers did you use for the Radeon and did you make any tweaks to the memory settings within Windows? There is one memory setting in Windows with the Radeon that can cause major problems depending on the driver you are using. This memory would have to be manually changed so if you did not change the setting then it's not a problem.

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 02:57 PM

I was using the new radeon drivers, but I have had this problem long before the new ones came out. And no I haven't messed with memory settings in windows

falcon26

pointreyes · 09-08-2003, 03:02 PM

I suggest you try the 3.6 instead of the 3.7 then. The Cat 3.6 drivers might have a problem with the Audigy 2. I had installed the Cat 3.7 for my 9800 Pro and the Audigy 2 drivers and it was after I installed the Audigy 2 drivers that I go the BSOD. I cannot even get into the OS at all. I'm installing a newer OS than you though, it's w2k3 Enterprise Server.

pointreyes · 09-08-2003, 03:15 PM

OK, the 3.6 drivers might be better. Check out this thread: Catalyst 3.7 is out !!!

**k0NG0** · 09-08-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by P4Northwood
And need to stay out of Kongo's path as well!! So I take back my rant!!!

No need to take back the rant, I just wanted to add something to put things in perspective. Perspective is good, perspective makes the world go 'round.

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Originally posted by pointreyes
Yes, pointreyes found a place to plug Linux into this thread.

I wouldn't have accepted anything less than at least one Linux plug from you, bud!

-kONGO

09-08-2003, 02:09 PM	#32
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,340	P4, I am not sure all that is helpful. Falcon has taken a day to diagnose so let's let him have it. Sometimes a a good rant clears the air and he did that. I don't think this is an AMD versus Intel thing and I don't see the point in going there. I have had weird flaky stuff like this before and solved it by simply doing a re-install of Windows with clean drivers. You never know. Yes you could try another driver for the NIC. It is possible you have a corrupt driver too as it is unlikely to be the cable. Looking at Pointreyes suggestion it would not hurt to re-install or update the driver for the sound card too. I would almost be willing to suspect sound card first but you never know. Hang in there Falcon and keep us posted.. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-08-2003, 02:26 PM	#35
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	True I did need a good rant yesterday :-) I really like both Intel and AMD. ANd I did reinstall my sound card driver for my audigy 2 card. And so far it seems ok. I have restarted my computer about 10 times without a problem. I also turned back on the on board lan and it seems ok. What about my PSU. With my old one in my 12V is always at 12.1 with my 430 watt truepower its at 11.7 is this ok? Falcon26
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09-08-2003, 02:37 PM	#36
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	Ok Ok I have now tried starting and rebooting my computer about 30 times after putting in the new sound card driver. It hasn't given me the blue screen once. Now I'm still wondering if that would account for the cold starts as well. I mean when I turn my computer on in the morning everything powers up, but all I get is a black screen on the monitor, even though the monitor has power. I really scared to put my MB back in my case and put other PSU on....... falcon26
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09-08-2003, 02:38 PM	#37
P4Northwood Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 731	I knew that reply would upset some people.. Sorry guys.. AMD chipsets in and of them self are excellent.. Meaning when AMD made their own chipsets, it worked like a charm.. I guess I was going from old Via chipset garbage.. I have not tried the Nforce chipsets. So most likely they should be stable, coming from Nvidia.. But anyways, sorry to get your dander up.. Dont wanna **** of my buddy Crochammer!!! And need to stay out of Kongo's path as well!! So I take back my rant!!! Good luck Falcon, stick with it.. What I would normally do is istall the OS with just the video card.. Load all the drivers, and run all benches.. That way its easier to isolate what the problem is. __________________ ASUS PC-DL Deluxe 2x 2.4GHZ Xeons @ 3.2Ghz 1.55v 1024 EL DDR PC3700 Gold 2x IBM U160 18GB 10,000 RPM 2x Seagate SATA 80GB 7200RPM ATI Radeon 9700Pro 550 WATT Xeon PSU (620 WATT) Peak Soundblaster Audigy PcGamer Not done Yet!
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09-08-2003, 02:50 PM	#39
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	I'm doing a format than a reinstall of xp.....I only have my radeon plugged in everything else is out or disabled in the bios I'll add things one by one and see what starts to cause all the trouble.. Karl
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09-08-2003, 02:57 PM	#42
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	I was using the new radeon drivers, but I have had this problem long before the new ones came out. And no I haven't messed with memory settings in windows falcon26
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09-08-2003, 03:02 PM	#43
pointreyes The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 18,159	I suggest you try the 3.6 instead of the 3.7 then. The Cat 3.6 drivers might have a problem with the Audigy 2. I had installed the Cat 3.7 for my 9800 Pro and the Audigy 2 drivers and it was after I installed the Audigy 2 drivers that I go the BSOD. I cannot even get into the OS at all. I'm installing a newer OS than you though, it's w2k3 Enterprise Server.
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09-08-2003, 03:15 PM	#44
pointreyes The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 18,159	OK, the 3.6 drivers might be better. Check out this thread: Catalyst 3.7 is out !!!
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