I give up - Page 6

CrocHammer · 09-08-2003, 08:25 PM

Yup, I feel your pain. I have been there before. My first P4C800E I got was DOA and that has never happened to me before. The replacement is flawless. Performance as advertised right out of the box.

You may want to consider that you have had 2 INTEL boards.

If you read through the forums there are not huge problems with other makes using these chipsets and a lot of folks here are into overclocking and other mods that stress the equipment much further.

Not overclocked or moderately overclocked almost all the other manufacturers' boards should be good to go with your equipment.

No guaratees in life so there won't be one that another will do the trick but you have no guaratees with an AMD board either at this point.

The way I look at it, you make a decision based on the best information you can get and then, no regrets. Either way you go you can count on help here.

Good luck, Falcon26.

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P4Northwood · 09-08-2003, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by falcon26
I just don't know what to do. I have tried 2 intel boards, and both had problems and both used intel's newest chipsets so if I got a third board I just don't seem how that would help since its the same chipset. I just don't know....

Falcon26

Really strange, that you can complete the XP setup but have problems inside windows. My experience shows bad hardware to be witnessed while running the setup.

You may be in a situation where the Intel boards do not like the memory your using. To offset that, you would need to overcompensate by increasing the voltage by .5 to 1v. Possibly! But I think you should save yourself some time and buy any other 875 based board in the world besides Intels. They just dont support you in the bios enough with all the different hardware being sold out there.. Your cpu is definately not the problem.. Where is it from Costa Rica? Probably a better chip than you may never know using Intel boards.

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 08:45 PM

Yeah it is weird that I can completely format my hard drive and install windows without one hicup, but once its fully installed it starts to crap out. Well two problems really, the cold boot problem where if I turn my computer on the in the morning or if its been off for a while it will power everything up fans included and then I just get a nice black screen on my monitor, that's problem one. Problem two is the "Bad Pool Caller" error which happen like every other boot. And these two problems were on both MB's the I865PE and the I875P, both intel boards. And I did try different memory on both and it still did the "Bad Pool Caller" error. It really sucks to, because I really like the cool Black PCB of the intel boards, no other I865PE or I875P MB has that black PCB. I know that's minor but hey we all have are likes :-) I've tried all my componets on my Dads AMD system and didn't have one problem. The only two things I really didn't check was the CPU and the hard drive itself. Although I did run tests on both to see if they were ok, and they both passed. How knows maybe once this Intel Control center comes out things might get better. I wonder if you'll be able to control voltages with this thing? Anyway I am reformatting the hard drive again this time a full not a quick format so I guess only time will tell....

Falcon26

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 09:03 PM

What is the default voltage for corsair xms ram? I have 2 sticks of it PC3200 C2 not the twin pack the regular. And what is the default voltage to the dimm slot on the intel I865PE MB?

falcon26

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 09:08 PM

Wow I just read that the Intel motherboard dimm slots are 2.5v only. Interesting my Corsair modules are 2.6v. So what the heck does this mean?

falcon26

tkbalt · 09-08-2003, 09:41 PM

What is your board and what bios version are you running? The Cold boot to a black screen is associated with Bios P12 on the D875 intel board. Are you running P08 on and intel 865 board? Or are you using P09 posted to the developer site as of 9/5/03?

While P12 is out on the D875 board - I am still using P05 because it is more stable and I do not get the cold boot issues some are experiencing. Never had a bsod on any version - so may be bad hardware.

I feel for you - nothing more frustrating than a fresh build that won't work right. I have built 2 on the Intel 875 board without significant issue - they are good boards.

Good luck and keep us posted.

falcon26 · 09-08-2003, 09:43 PM

Would getting new memory help I wonder. I was thinking of Muskin Black Level 2 memory. It says it can run from 2.5v to 2.8.

Falcon26

CrocHammer · 09-09-2003, 12:07 AM

It means that the Intel's support of a wide choice of memory and their bios support is lagging. They also don't support overclocking.

Not a board for the enthusiast.

StefanPI · 09-09-2003, 05:26 AM

Try another os maybe w2k and see if there is any difference.

Ralf Hutter · 09-09-2003, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tkbalt
What is your board and what bios version are you running? The Cold boot to a black screen is associated with Bios P12 on the D875 intel board. Are you running P08 on and intel 865 board? Or are you using P09 posted to the developer site as of 9/5/03?

While P12 is out on the D875 board - I am still using P05 because it is more stable and I do not get the cold boot issues some are experiencing. Never had a bsod on any version - so may be bad hardware.

I feel for you - nothing more frustrating than a fresh build that won't work right. I have built 2 on the Intel 875 board without significant issue - they are good boards.

Good luck and keep us posted.

I asked him about those BIOS issues yesterday but he never answered so I gave up. There's been about 20 posts since then that may very well be unnecessary if we new that he was running BIOS P12.

Ralf Hutter · 09-09-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by falcon26
Would getting new memory help I wonder. I was thinking of Muskin Black Level 2 memory. It says it can run from 2.5v to 2.8.

Falcon26

I'm using Mushkin Level II on both of my 875PBZ's. One is running 2 x 512MB, the other is 2 x 256MB.

I started out trying to use various other types of RAM and had little success. The Mushkin Level II is really bullte-proof on all 4 of the 875PBZ's I've used it on. No issues at all (except for price

).

Before I moved up to the Mushkin level II I tried HyperX, Corsair XMS, Crucial and Mushkin Level I RAM on 2 different 875PBZs and had lots of issues with most of the different RAM. It would run on one board but not the other. It wouldn't run on either. It would run in the second set of dimm slots but not the first etc, etc. The Level II Mushkin doesn't seem nearly as picky as the other RAM I've played with.

My guess is that a lot of the memory trouble related to this board comes from the 2.5Vdimm that it runs at. Sure, that's "default" for DDR RAM but if you look at the specs of most of the "Premium" PC3200 RAM out there it seems to call for 2.6V+. So that leaves you a little borderline running at the (non-adjustable) 2.5V setting on the Intel boards.

CrocHammer · 09-09-2003, 02:58 PM

Ralph.

I guess that begs the question; "what was Intel thinking?"
Intel boards are supposed to be the last word in stability NOT the first word in finicky. Intel makes good boards but people generally buy those boards for 99.9% stability and reliability because they sure don't offer much in flexibility or performance enhancements.

It seems very odd to me that Intel would force such a limitation on their potential market. Crucial for instance would normally be plug and play in any Intel board.

Intel with BIOS and cold boot issues. Amazing.

By the way, your question on what bios is a reasonable one. You took the time to ask and it may be helpful getting an answer.

P4Northwood · 09-09-2003, 03:20 PM

Precisley CrocHammer. Intel would benefit greatly by at least putting various memory voltage settings in the bios if nothing else. Most people when they buy an Intel board, do not want to overclock. So they dont mind the empty bios. But memory at PC3200 and above, requires numerous different voltage requirements. So if Intel really wanted to stabilize their boards, a mere dimm voltage setting option would go along way. 2.5v is not enough anymore.

Grief, is what most people have that are buying the Intel boards at this point.. There is nothing more frustrating for a human being, than to plunk down a bunch of money on computer parts, come home very happy and excited, build your system, and troubleshoot till the moon has come and gone 2 to 3 times, to find out Intel jacked you on the memory voltage... Ouch!!!

CrocHammer · 09-09-2003, 03:46 PM

As far as the Mushkin level II is concerned, yup I have seen some great reviews on the stuff. No matter what board you have the Mushkin should be good to go and Ralph has already done the leg work.

**k0NG0** · 09-09-2003, 04:05 PM

As for Vdimm (or DRAM VDD), not really. As long as Intel provide the voltage that's specified in the JEDEC standard -

VDD:
+3.3 V ±0.3 V or +2.5 V ±0.2 V for DDR 200, 266, or 333
+2.6 ±0.1 V for DDR 400

- they are following the standard. If memory makers put out non-standard memory, that's not Intel's problem (the memory may obey the AC characteristics of the standard, but if it fails to meet the DC characteristics, it's still non-standard memory).

-kONGO

09-08-2003, 08:25 PM	#76
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,345	Yup, I feel your pain. I have been there before. My first P4C800E I got was DOA and that has never happened to me before. The replacement is flawless. Performance as advertised right out of the box. You may want to consider that you have had 2 INTEL boards. If you read through the forums there are not huge problems with other makes using these chipsets and a lot of folks here are into overclocking and other mods that stress the equipment much further. Not overclocked or moderately overclocked almost all the other manufacturers' boards should be good to go with your equipment. No guaratees in life so there won't be one that another will do the trick but you have no guaratees with an AMD board either at this point. The way I look at it, you make a decision based on the best information you can get and then, no regrets. Either way you go you can count on help here. Good luck, Falcon26. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-08-2003, 08:45 PM	#78
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	Yeah it is weird that I can completely format my hard drive and install windows without one hicup, but once its fully installed it starts to crap out. Well two problems really, the cold boot problem where if I turn my computer on the in the morning or if its been off for a while it will power everything up fans included and then I just get a nice black screen on my monitor, that's problem one. Problem two is the "Bad Pool Caller" error which happen like every other boot. And these two problems were on both MB's the I865PE and the I875P, both intel boards. And I did try different memory on both and it still did the "Bad Pool Caller" error. It really sucks to, because I really like the cool Black PCB of the intel boards, no other I865PE or I875P MB has that black PCB. I know that's minor but hey we all have are likes :-) I've tried all my componets on my Dads AMD system and didn't have one problem. The only two things I really didn't check was the CPU and the hard drive itself. Although I did run tests on both to see if they were ok, and they both passed. How knows maybe once this Intel Control center comes out things might get better. I wonder if you'll be able to control voltages with this thing? Anyway I am reformatting the hard drive again this time a full not a quick format so I guess only time will tell.... Falcon26
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09-08-2003, 09:03 PM	#79
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	What is the default voltage for corsair xms ram? I have 2 sticks of it PC3200 C2 not the twin pack the regular. And what is the default voltage to the dimm slot on the intel I865PE MB? falcon26
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09-08-2003, 09:08 PM	#80
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	Wow I just read that the Intel motherboard dimm slots are 2.5v only. Interesting my Corsair modules are 2.6v. So what the heck does this mean? falcon26 Last edited by falcon26; 09-08-2003 at 09:21 PM..
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09-08-2003, 09:41 PM	#81
tkbalt Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 243	Board and Bios What is your board and what bios version are you running? The Cold boot to a black screen is associated with Bios P12 on the D875 intel board. Are you running P08 on and intel 865 board? Or are you using P09 posted to the developer site as of 9/5/03? While P12 is out on the D875 board - I am still using P05 because it is more stable and I do not get the cold boot issues some are experiencing. Never had a bsod on any version - so may be bad hardware. I feel for you - nothing more frustrating than a fresh build that won't work right. I have built 2 on the Intel 875 board without significant issue - they are good boards. Good luck and keep us posted. __________________ System 1 - Intel E6700 w/ Zalman 9500, Intel D975XBX2 V505, 2G Mushkin XP-2 6400, Evga8800GT, WD 300G Raptor, WD 1Tb Green HD, X-FI Fatal1ty pro, NEC 3500a, Klipsch Ultra 5.1, Cooler Master 830 w/ PC P&C 610, Dell 2005fpw LCD, XPpro System 2 - Intel 3.4c w/ Zalman 7000 Alcu, Intel D875PBZ v303, 2G Mushkin (4x512) 3200 LII V2 @ 2-3-3-7, WD 80G SATA, eVGA 6800gt, Audigy2, NEC 3500a, Antec 660 w/ True Power 430, Samsung 193P LCD, XPpro System 3 - Intel 3.2c w/ Zalman 7000 Alcu, Intel D875PBZ v303, 1G Mushkin black (2x512) PC3500 @ 2-3-3-7, eVGA 6800GT, Audigy2, WD 80, Antec SLK3000-B w/ Seasonic S12II-380, Dell UltraSharp 1704FPT LCD, XPpro
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09-08-2003, 09:43 PM	#82
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	Would getting new memory help I wonder. I was thinking of Muskin Black Level 2 memory. It says it can run from 2.5v to 2.8. Falcon26
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09-09-2003, 12:07 AM	#83
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,345	It means that the Intel's support of a wide choice of memory and their bios support is lagging. They also don't support overclocking. Not a board for the enthusiast. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-09-2003, 05:26 AM	#84
StefanPI Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 567	Try another os maybe w2k and see if there is any difference. __________________ Chaintech 9PJL3 (865PE-ICH5) 2x512MB Geil Ultra PC3200 (2-3-3-6) Intel P4 2.8C PC Radeon 9800 Pro SB Audigy 2 Logitech Z-680 Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80GB ZyXEL Prestige 645MP-A1 Adsl-modem Yes i know, the little maggots are stomping all over my big Panzer IV tank.
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09-09-2003, 02:58 PM	#87
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,345	Ralph. I guess that begs the question; "what was Intel thinking?" Intel boards are supposed to be the last word in stability NOT the first word in finicky. Intel makes good boards but people generally buy those boards for 99.9% stability and reliability because they sure don't offer much in flexibility or performance enhancements. It seems very odd to me that Intel would force such a limitation on their potential market. Crucial for instance would normally be plug and play in any Intel board. Intel with BIOS and cold boot issues. Amazing. By the way, your question on what bios is a reasonable one. You took the time to ask and it may be helpful getting an answer. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-09-2003, 03:20 PM	#88
P4Northwood Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 731	Precisley CrocHammer. Intel would benefit greatly by at least putting various memory voltage settings in the bios if nothing else. Most people when they buy an Intel board, do not want to overclock. So they dont mind the empty bios. But memory at PC3200 and above, requires numerous different voltage requirements. So if Intel really wanted to stabilize their boards, a mere dimm voltage setting option would go along way. 2.5v is not enough anymore. Grief, is what most people have that are buying the Intel boards at this point.. There is nothing more frustrating for a human being, than to plunk down a bunch of money on computer parts, come home very happy and excited, build your system, and troubleshoot till the moon has come and gone 2 to 3 times, to find out Intel jacked you on the memory voltage... Ouch!!! __________________ ASUS PC-DL Deluxe 2x 2.4GHZ Xeons @ 3.2Ghz 1.55v 1024 EL DDR PC3700 Gold 2x IBM U160 18GB 10,000 RPM 2x Seagate SATA 80GB 7200RPM ATI Radeon 9700Pro 550 WATT Xeon PSU (620 WATT) Peak Soundblaster Audigy PcGamer Not done Yet!
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09-09-2003, 03:46 PM	#89
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,345	As far as the Mushkin level II is concerned, yup I have seen some great reviews on the stuff. No matter what board you have the Mushkin should be good to go and Ralph has already done the leg work. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-09-2003, 04:05 PM	#90
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,749	As for Vdimm (or DRAM VDD), not really. As long as Intel provide the voltage that's specified in the JEDEC standard - VDD: +3.3 V ±0.3 V or +2.5 V ±0.2 V for DDR 200, 266, or 333 +2.6 ±0.1 V for DDR 400 - they are following the standard. If memory makers put out non-standard memory, that's not Intel's problem (the memory may obey the AC characteristics of the standard, but if it fails to meet the DC characteristics, it's still non-standard memory). -kONGO __________________ Use Firefox - "the one that blocks all the schmutz" Feeling multicore elation? Remember this correlation: Amdahl's Law.
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