I give up

[P4Northwood]

Originally posted by kONGO
As for Vdimm (or DRAM VDD), not really. As long as Intel provide the voltage that's specified in the JEDEC standard -

VDD:
+3.3 V ±0.3 V or +2.5 V ±0.2 V for DDR 200, 266, or 333
+2.6 ±0.1 V for DDR 400

- they are following the standard. If memory makers put out non-standard memory, that's not Intel's problem (the memory may obey the AC characteristics of the standard, but if it fails to meet the DC characteristics, it's still non-standard memory).

-kONGO

And that my friend is the problem. So, in some way Kongo is saying, if you choose to do an Intel Motherboard based system, you must buy memory based on what Intel has qualified for that particular motherboard. Which means, it may not be the cheapest, because they have Intel on their side.

But on the other hand Kongo, most people who decide for what ever reason to buy an Intel motherboard, most likely wont have the knowledge that that really fast memory that was recommended to him by the computer store salesman needs something that the Intel board cant provide. Thus he goes home, and starts to feel, maybe Intel products are not so stable. So it still begs crochammers question, "what was Intel thinking".. No matter how you slice it, their name is on that product. The individual is not going to think the memory is no good. Or think about the voltage. He is going to consider returning it for an AMD system. So in the end Intel loses another customer. So why would they even take the chance..??

[k0NG0]

Intel's stance on overclocking is that they don't approve of it (which their products show too). A memory running at 200MHz (DDR400) requiring more that 2.6 ±0.1 V can easily be considered overclocked (since the standard says 2.6 ±0.1 V is what should be used).
They will, of course, advise a user to get standards compliant DDR400 memory, since they have designed a platform that runs at standard settings. Nothing strange about that. If this doesn't please the user, they will probably be a bit sad that said user would exchange the Intel motherboard for a more tweakable one, but it's a calculated loss since they haven't introduced overclocking options in their motherboards.

If the situation is as Ralf mentioned above, that the Intel motherboard runs at 2.5V at DDR400, then that would mean it doesn't use the JEDEC DDR400 standard which calls for 2.6 ±0.1 V (JEDEC standards document JESD79C, page 45, table 6). True, it's on the lowest part of the standard's voltage interval, but taking that as following the standard is poor design IMO (and doesn't allow any fluctuations downwards, which is nigh impossible to achieve).

My point is that Intel can simply not care about people who want DRAM supply voltage that is adjustable. They have done so up to now, and they are still pretty well off. Besides, motherboards have never been their main source of income.

-kONGO

[CrocHammer]

I would like to take a shot at boiling all that down for Falcons sake as well as an editorial on buying gear.

It is the buyer's responsibility to do all the research necessary to ensure the component parts are compatible before even getting into the build. It is also a wise idea to go to forums, like this one, and ask questions about the intended build. My experience is that you get invaluable incites and expertise that can save a lot of time and head banging.

[falcon26]

Hey everyone, sorry I haven't posted soon but I was really really busy at work since I called in sick yesterday :-) I've decided to keep everything as is, and get some Mushkin Black Level 2 ram, and see if that helps. I have returned the Intel I875P motherboard and I kept the I865PE intel motherboard, it was about $60 cheaper :-) I ordered the ram last night so I should have it by thursday. So I'll keep you guys posted as to how things go. I am using the P09 bios for this board btw.......again thanks for everyone and I mean everyone on this board that gave me help.....it was a god sent.....can't thank you enough.....ok that's it for now I'll let you guys know how the new ram works out....


Falcon26

[CrocHammer]

OK Falcon.

Best of luck. I hope it works out for you.

[falcon26]

Ok just ordered 2 sticks of Mushkin Level 2 black ram, the twin pack. I got it for $190 out the door. We'll see if that works, if not at least I can return it to newegg with little hassle. Then I guess we shall see. Although I don't feel to confident that it is the memory since I put my Dads cheap micron 256 memory stick in my computer and it did the same "Bad Pool Caller" with that stick as well. I guess only time will tell.


Falcon26

[CrocHammer]

I don't know but, if it's the board, the Mushkin ram may still be a keeper.

[StefanPI]

Hi falcon, i havent read all posts in this thread but i read a few of your first posts. If i understand this right you had a 875pbz that malfunctioned then you replace this with a 865perl board that also malfunctioned. I understand the rest of your hardware is the same so i would suspect something other than you mb, maybe the powersupply or videocard or harddrive (or something else).

I know im only stating whats obvious and you probably already tried everything but try a new powersupply, videocard and harddrive and maybe a new cd if you have or can borrow those spare parts.

One of the reasons i got my ti4600 so cheap was that the person who had it lost video now and then on startup, i suspect his mb couldnt supply enough power or maybe it wasnt seated right but it works perfectly on my board.

[falcon26]

Actually I tried all that......changed the video card, power supply memory sound card, everything but the hard drive itself. And I did run tests on the hard drive which said it was fine........it seems to me these new intel chipsets have alot of problems with memory.....that they are very very picky which ram they accept.......then again like I said before my I865 PERL motherboard's dimm's are rated at 2.5v and no more.....my corsair xms memory is 2.6v I believe so we'll see I can always return the memory.

Falcon26

[Lars A]

Originally posted by falcon26
Actually I tried all that......changed the video card, power supply memory sound card, everything but the hard drive itself. And I did run tests on the hard drive which said it was fine........it seems to me these new intel chipsets have alot of problems with memory.....that they are very very picky which ram they accept.......then again like I said before my I865 PERL motherboard's dimm's are rated at 2.5v and no more.....my corsair xms memory is 2.6v I believe so we'll see I can always return the memory.

Falcon26

Once you said you had tested the CPU. Your dad has an AMD som u cant just swap that. How did u test CPU?

It can sort of only be the CPU...unless u have a spare that u tried.

[falcon26]

Yeah I put my parts in my dads system and it was fine..........which leaves only the hard drive and the Cpu.......


falcon26

[Lars A]

Harddrive, u say...hmmm...
Check this:
http://www.computing.net/os2/wwwboard/forum/1280.html

...and try another drive. Any1 that fits.

[StefanPI]

Well one problem with the ibm desktops at my job is when the drive goes bad it give the same errors as a faulty cpu or memory. We even changed the mb, cpu, memory and power supply on a few desktops until the last thing that could be changed was the drive and then it works ok. These bad drives also shows up ok with ibm's diagnostics.

[falcon26]

Ok I also got a new WD hard drive the same model I have now. Just to check to see if its the hard. This way I have changed everything except the CPU........I get the new memory on Monday and the hard drive on Friday so we'll see


Karl

[falcon26]

Well I got the new mushkin memory and a new maxtor hard drive to test out and it did the exact same thing I got the "Bad Pool Caller" error just wonderful....So I have changed everything in my system exact the CPU that's the only thing I haven't touched....so I can now either try another brand of intel motherboard or go AMD.....I'll let you guys know.........

Falcon26