Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" - Page 2

JimTram · 08-21-2009, 05:55 AM

All 3-pin fans. It is a BIOS issue that may never get resolved. It is really not a problem for me as I have plenty of overhead left. I believe when I install my 800RPM Scythe to the accessory header, my ICH temps will decrease.

I may have forgotten to mention this important fact - the case is mounted in the lower-left enclosed compartment of my desk which has a door (normally closed), rear of compartment is open, and the sides are closed.

With an ambient of 75F, board temp is 108F

I really enjoy quiet!!!

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Originally Posted by panzerino

You may use the SpeedFan utility in scope to control these things.
But I'm not sure if the SpeedFan and IDU may coexist on the same machine.

This board have only one 4-pin fan connector (header) for PWM fan.
This mean that, you are unable to control one 3-pin and one 4-pin fan- they must be all 3-pin (or 4-pin, if you have two 4-pin fan headers).

If all your fans are 3-pin- this is BIOS problem and from my experience Intel will never be able to solve this issues completely.
The solution is- all the fans on the PSU directly - rear fan on max (if it is silent on max), front fan with adapters or fan controllers (hardware).
Or SpeedFan without IDU.

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JimTram · 08-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Installed the 3rd 120mm Scythe Fan - overall 10F temp drop all around.

Decent enough so I updated the BIOS to V86, V89, and finally V90.

Flashed incrementally as to see the effect - none I could see other than lower fan speeds.

Still using the mobo fan headers and QST

Rig running cool in it's compartment at bottom of desk.

panzerino · 08-22-2009, 04:34 AM

Great...
It is silent at 1200 rpm?

JimTram · 08-22-2009, 04:43 AM

I added a 800RPM Fan - so its really silent. Just enough air movement to bring the temps down a tad more.

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Originally Posted by panzerino

Great...
It is silent at 1200 rpm?

panzerino · 08-22-2009, 04:53 AM

Fine.
I'm on BIOS V86. Will stay there, because i have not any problem at the moment.

JimTram · 08-22-2009, 05:08 AM

I used the original chipset and ME drivers from the boxed disk. Best BIOS for me is V82 as I seen no positive changes when I did a few trial flashes.

I know one thing - it easier to flash up and down with this board as long as you do a flash from a USB stick. I have a bootable stick so its real easy.

Never had much luck with the "express" method from within Windows.

JimTram · 08-23-2009, 03:06 AM

Question - I an getting an Antec 300 Gamer Case for this board. My PSU can mount on the bottom of the case with either the intake fan upward or downward. Instinct tells me to mount the fan downward as to draw-in the cooler air. Antec recommends the opposite.

Helppppppppppppppppppp!

panzerino · 08-23-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JimTram

Question - I an getting an Antec 300 Gamer Case for this board. My PSU can mount on the bottom of the case with either the intake fan upward or downward. Instinct tells me to mount the fan downward as to draw-in the cooler air. Antec recommends the opposite.

Helppppppppppppppppppp!

In this PSU mount position inside the case, you must install the PSU with the fan faced IN the case (i.e. upward). This is because the PSU fan in this position will draw hot air from inside the case and thus helping cooling her. The opposite PSU fan position will only cool the PSU itself.

Personally, i would advice you do not take case with PSU stationed in the bottom of the case.
All the positives from a such position are valid only for a small number of good cases - Antec P182 series, Silverstone Temjin TJ09.

Install the IDU. Dislike. Uninstall.

JimTram · 08-23-2009, 04:49 AM

Hi Panzerino

With my gaming, the Antec 300 was a vast improvement from what I have right now. Great reviews, even great price. ~$60.00

I am going to try both ways. If I face the fan up it may or may not suck-in warm air and blow it out. Conversly it could suck-in cool air. One thing is for sure. With the fan upward, if I ever drop something down into the hole - big trouble.

If I face it down, it will draw cooler air up from the bottom which came in from the two 120mm fans cooling the HDD's.

Oh well. I'll see what happens.

What did you not like with IDU?

Jim T.

panzerino · 08-23-2009, 08:38 AM

If you have good cooling solutions for the inside of the case, you do not need to mount the PSU upward.
The downward PSU mounting collect much dust. Much,much more and->> inside the PSU.

IDU? this gauges red, green, frightened me.
Like Boeing going to crash somewhere... .

HWMonitor is simple, nice.

JimTram · 08-23-2009, 04:32 PM

Hey Panzerino

Good point about the dust - I guess this time I may have to take cleaning the filters more seriously.

I like the colored analog gauges in IDU. It give me something to shoot for.

Did the gauges tell you show you something you did not want to see?

Jim

panzerino · 08-23-2009, 05:20 PM

No. They show that all is fine.
Only the AUX voltage is somehow low... .

If your PSU fan show downward, in no time all the PSU will be full of dust. Ideal for short circuit inside and high temperatures... and then some capacitors to start to blow.

JimTram · 08-23-2009, 06:44 PM

With my current BIOS V82 the MCH Vcc is 1.128V and its about midway in the green scale.

When I flashed the BIOS to V86 and above, the same voltage showed almost in the yellow scale.

Seems to me the algorithms may need an adjustment. Not to take these finite values seriously!

Why would the PSU have more dust when faced downwards as opposed to upwards?

Quote:

Originally Posted by panzerino

No. They show that all is fine.
Only the AUX voltage is somehow low... .

If your PSU fan show downward, in no time all the PSU will be full of dust. Ideal for short circuit inside and high temperatures... and then some capacitors to start to blow.

panzerino · 08-24-2009, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimTram

Why would the PSU have more dust when faced downwards as opposed to upwards?

Because outside of the case the dust is more than in the case and the PSU fan is like a little "vacuum cleaner".
Especially when on the floor is carpet.

My MCH Vcc is 1.128V is 1.114. And on these gauges is somewhere in the yellow zone.

JimTram · 08-24-2009, 04:56 AM

Ok - so why would the vacuum cleaner not suck-in dust if faced towards the top of the case?

I would not even be concerned about the MCH Vcc being in the yellow zone. You can fix that reading by flashing down to V82.

Are you using the onboard sound, if so, how is it. I am upgrading my soundcard too when I swap cases. Will install a X-fi Titanium.

Quote:

Originally Posted by panzerino

Because outside of the case the dust is more than in the case and the PSU fan is like a little "vacuum cleaner".
Especially when on the floor is carpet.

My MCH Vcc is 1.128V is 1.114. And on these gauges is somewhere in the yellow zone.

08-21-2009, 08:19 PM	#17
JimTram Seabees, USN-Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,314	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Installed the 3rd 120mm Scythe Fan - overall 10F temp drop all around. Decent enough so I updated the BIOS to V86, V89, and finally V90. Flashed incrementally as to see the effect - none I could see other than lower fan speeds. Still using the mobo fan headers and QST Rig running cool in it's compartment at bottom of desk.
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08-22-2009, 04:34 AM	#18
panzerino Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 127	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Great... It is silent at 1200 rpm?
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08-22-2009, 04:53 AM	#20
panzerino Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 127	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Fine. I'm on BIOS V86. Will stay there, because i have not any problem at the moment.
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08-22-2009, 05:08 AM	#21
JimTram Seabees, USN-Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,314	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" I used the original chipset and ME drivers from the boxed disk. Best BIOS for me is V82 as I seen no positive changes when I did a few trial flashes. I know one thing - it easier to flash up and down with this board as long as you do a flash from a USB stick. I have a bootable stick so its real easy. Never had much luck with the "express" method from within Windows.
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08-23-2009, 03:06 AM	#22
JimTram Seabees, USN-Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,314	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Question - I an getting an Antec 300 Gamer Case for this board. My PSU can mount on the bottom of the case with either the intake fan upward or downward. Instinct tells me to mount the fan downward as to draw-in the cooler air. Antec recommends the opposite. Helppppppppppppppppppp!
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08-23-2009, 04:49 AM	#24
JimTram Seabees, USN-Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,314	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Hi Panzerino With my gaming, the Antec 300 was a vast improvement from what I have right now. Great reviews, even great price. ~$60.00 I am going to try both ways. If I face the fan up it may or may not suck-in warm air and blow it out. Conversly it could suck-in cool air. One thing is for sure. With the fan upward, if I ever drop something down into the hole - big trouble. If I face it down, it will draw cooler air up from the bottom which came in from the two 120mm fans cooling the HDD's. Oh well. I'll see what happens. What did you not like with IDU? Jim T.
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08-23-2009, 08:38 AM	#25
panzerino Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 127	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" If you have good cooling solutions for the inside of the case, you do not need to mount the PSU upward. The downward PSU mounting collect much dust. Much,much more and->> inside the PSU. IDU? this gauges red, green, frightened me. Like Boeing going to crash somewhere... . HWMonitor is simple, nice. Last edited by panzerino; 08-23-2009 at 08:44 AM..
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08-23-2009, 04:32 PM	#26
JimTram Seabees, USN-Retired Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,314	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" Hey Panzerino Good point about the dust - I guess this time I may have to take cleaning the filters more seriously. I like the colored analog gauges in IDU. It give me something to shoot for. Did the gauges tell you show you something you did not want to see? Jim
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08-23-2009, 05:20 PM	#27
panzerino Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 127	Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action" No. They show that all is fine. Only the AUX voltage is somehow low... . If your PSU fan show downward, in no time all the PSU will be full of dust. Ideal for short circuit inside and high temperatures... and then some capacitors to start to blow.
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