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Old 08-20-2009, 05:02 AM   #1
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Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action"

After many months of reading and careful selection, I decide to buy this motherboard:




Why this?

* I was searching for for a simple Socket 775 motherboard with a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot from a good manufacture. In our times this mean two brands only. No more. The new Intel Socket 1336 motherboards are really an achievement, but they are too expensive for me now. The speed differences between LGA775 and 1336 really does not deserve such price margin. Otherwise, I'm totally indifferent to the OC, fancy colors, "boosting performance utilities" or so on. Simple, good and stable motherboard is all, what i need.
* The time for the Core 2 Quad on socket LGA 775 today is best for purchase - these processors are very good value for money today. I choose Core 2 Quad 9550.
* ATI Radeon 4550 is my choice for video card. He have a UVD 2nd generation, native HDMI , passive cooling, and 512MB DDR3 memory:


Sure not a card for gaming. But i was never interested in games on PC. Otherwise, this card have really sharp and vivid colors, very good UVD2, and run at 59C stable.

* The DP43TF have a PATA interface, three PCI interfaces, one PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot, and three PCI Express x1. Excellent for my need.
* The DP43TF have 4 slots RAM - Support for DDR2 800 or DDR2 667 , maximum 8GB. The good DDR2 memory is cheap today- i take 8 GB Mushkin ( 2x 4GB Dual channel kit). It is needed tremendous attention to choose compatible RAM. You must reed very carefully the pdf files, which comes with this motherboard, in scope to choose wisely. If you choose Kingston or Mushkin RAM brand, you never be wrong!
* HDD - WD 500 GB "Green" model.
* The DP43TTF have a very good Intel PHY - Intel 82567V-2 NIC, but i take separate Intel Pro 1000GT network card.
Intel® PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter - Overview

These are cheap, support jumbo frames, and are unbelievable speedy, with nonexistent CPU usage.
* Seasonic S12 Energy + 550W is unbelievably quite PSU of very good quality.
* Antec SOLO- the best mid tower case in my opinion. I replace the rear 120mm three-speed Antec fan (noisy) with one Scythe S-FLEX 800 rpm, and put one Noctua 92mm fan in the front. The Noctua fan i connect directly to the PSU using the U.L.N.A adapter, which comes with the Noctua fan. My temperatures:

idle
CPU- 36-38C
ICH - 59C
HDD - 31C
GPU- 57-59C

Fan speed:
idle
* Scythe S-FLEX - 800 rpm
* Noctua front 92mm fan - 600 rpm
* Intel HSF fan - 1130 rpm
* There is no any noise from the PSU in any circumstances. It is totally silent.

The system is practically inaudible beyond a 50 sm distance. Only the lights show me that the system works.
It is a big pleasure to work in silence after years of noises around me.

Windows XP Professional 64 bit is my best choice for OS today. The using of the SATA AHCI here is very cloudy. The chipset identify himself like "ICH 10" not "R" ( ICH10R). There is no Intel driver for him to use AHCI mode in Windows XP Pro 64 bit. I use the "IDE mode" in scope to avoid the famous blue screens when you install the XP on not supported HDD controller. No NCQ, but for me not a big deal. Yes, i know the n-lite method or other methods, but i do not bother to use them, because there is no "simple" ICH10 driver from Intel for these motherboards (for Windows XP!) and frankly speaking, i do not trust the modified drivers ( like the "fernando" 's unsigned ICH10 driver).

The only problem with the installation was the big motherboard "bending" when you install the genuine Intel HSF. Despite the fact that, the motherboard was installed in the case, the "bending" of the mobo when you secure the first HSF clip is tremendous, and make the securing of the rest three clips very problematic. Sure, this is not a way to secure a HSF today, and a big trouble.

One months from now, the motherboard is very stable, no problems at all. Excellent speed too. The 8GB memory is a big boost of the performance ( 8GB DDR2, Mushkin, cost me about 64E) especially on Adobe products, video encoding and processing. Because of the dual channel configuration, the Windows in reality report 16GB available. Nice... .

I do not use S3, sleeping or stand-by modes. Nor screen-savers. Never try to use them on this board.
The only secure method to update these Intel BIOS -es is via motherboard jumper removal ( "Recovery BIOS update") and USB stick (not bootable!) with the new BIOS there, like only file there.

Desktop Boards - Instructions for Recovery BIOS update

I use the default Intel BIOS settings. Never touch anything there, except the device boot order.
I personally would advice everyone do not play with the Intel BIOS, if you are not 200% sure what you are doing.

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Old 08-20-2009, 05:08 PM   #2
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Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action"

Hey Panzerino

Great info. and I agree totally with what you said.

Upon installation I have only used the mobo drivers that came packed with the mobo. I use only the "Restore" method or the "Flash" method to update the BIOS. I am at V82 with the BIOS. I tried V90 - it slowed my case fans down too much. I think Intel is being too aggressive with QST!

Only complaint I have is the ICH is located "under" my 9800GTX. As such my ICH temps as measured with IDU is 73C. This is due to a lack of air circulation. This is minor but it makes me wonder about the Intel engineers. Also under the 9800GTX is the BIOS config jumper. To restore bios I must remove the videocard. Not a big thing, but again it makes me wonder!

@idle
Processor Thermal Margin 59C
CPU Temp 36C
Motherboard Temp 41C
ICH 73C
MCH 66C
Processor Fan 1126RPM
Case Fan Front 550RPM
Case Fan Rear 553RPM

My ICH temp barely moves under load. When it does it goes down a degree or two due the the other fans speeding up and providing more flow. Max for ICH is 101C per Intel support.

I have the 120 mm Scythe fans and I enjoy the quiet. I will be adding a third fan to be placed on the bottom of the case and circulating air upward over the mobo near the ICH.

No issues with S3 once I updated the BIOS. All heavy duty games work flawlessly. Never had a BSOD yet. Board is a year old.
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:44 PM   #3
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Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action"

Hi Jim,

Frankly speaking, i choose this board after your opinion here in 1 thread, where you describe the good boost of the fps when you play games and how stable the board is. And this board cost me 65E. Why to spend 230E for the last LGA 1336?


I use BIOS V86. No problem at the moment.

I deliberately choose not to connect the fans to the motherboard. The Scythe rear fan is max 800 rpm. He is inaudible at this speed. Why to lower the speed more?

The front fan is 3-pin Noctua 92 mm. I try to connect him to the mobo, but this was too noisy for me and i choose direct link to the PSU.

I'm afraid of this IDU utility- i think this utilities are bad designed and i decided not to use them at all. I use HWMonitor instead- no installation, single *.exe file. No troubles with these myriad Intel drivers (in IDU), which uses the Intel MM to monitor the motherboard.

Yes, the heatsink of the Intel 82P43 MCH is enormous and pose many compatibility issues with the aftermarket cooling solutions. Second, he is near to the CPU and high. This mean that, the height and the shape of the CPU aftermarket cooler must be higher than the highest spot of the Intel 82P43 MCH, and very narrow in scope not to touch the Intel 82P43 MCH. Difficult task... .

Yes, the ICH temp is stable- but there blow air from the front fan (passing by the HDD, which in SOLO are very close to the front fan).

I choose too my dedicated sound card Terratec Phase 28, instead of the Realtek on the board. I do not believe in these integrated sound ships... . And I have good ear...

I'm happy at the moment with this board. Really... .

I read your comment on the Intel Desktop forum too.
Are these aforementioned by you problems there, solved?

On the OS issue:

* I try ArchLinux, Ubuntu, Mac OSX. The best was the last OS. But too restrictive and without hardware acceleration at all. None! And fear after every update... not for me. These Linux distributions are really jokes. One Linux boy decide that you do not need the ATI original driver in their repository... the driver- gone. Not for me too. The font rendering in Linux also are still very, very poor.
* I want 64 bit OS because i needed RAM beyond the 4 Gb. Choices? XP, Vista, Windows 7. I never liked Vista and never will be. So the Windows 7, which is speedy masqueraded Vista clone.
*Then the XP 64 bit Pro remain the only reasonable choice. For many years to come. It is incredibly mature OS at the time and very, very stable. No compatibility problems at all. Sure 32 bit software works with 32 bit extensions ( filters, plugins, VobSub, Haali splitter, etc).Only iTune is problematic, and the iPod is not working. But i sync my iPod with the WinAmp. And my Palm with Bluetooth/WiFi. The Palm software works normally in 64 bit Windows. Only the sync via USB is not working at all.

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Old 08-20-2009, 08:56 PM   #4
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My humble DP43TF - Q6700, KVR 4096M, EVGA 9800GTX, Audigy 2 Platinum, Antec SLK 3000B, Scythe 120mm Fans, Antec 550W Trio,
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:17 PM   #5
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Hey Panzerino

I feel flattered you chose a board on my comments - we must be cut of the same cloth as I prefer simplicity and have no interest in OC.

I tried to download V86 it is not available any more, V90 is a bummer.

At some time I may disconnect all fans from the mobo and hookup to the PS. I may buy a fan controller. I have three Scythe fans and all are 120mm, and two are rated at 1600RPM, one at 800RPM. It's the 1600RPM fans that make noise when running at rated speed. Tht's why I connect to the mobo and have QST slow it down.

I tried HW monitor - readings were similar to that of IDU. I have not had any troubles with IDU and I feel better with the warning if something goes wrong.

You have a smaller videocard so airflow is better around the ICH. My bottom mounted fan connected to the "Accessory Fan Header" may bring my ICH temp down some. Next time I open the case I'll install it.

Good choice about the soundcard - I don't like onboard sound as usually it crackles. I have the Audigy 2 Platinum that still works well.

The only problems I had was when I flashed the BIOS once and forgot the the "/PF" in the "IFLASH2 /PF" command line switch. Once I did a BIOS "Restore" all was good. Not one iota of problems since.

Intel forum was of little help. I used the experience I gained from this forum to figure out I screwed-up the flash.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:57 AM   #6
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If you give me some coordinates here on private messages, i will send you the V86 BIOS- Intel says he correct many of the fan spinning issues from the previous BIOS.

The clue for low temperatures are:

*front fan
*mid-tower case at least. Small cases are very difficult to cool.
*very good cable organization inside, especially no obstruction in the front-rear air flow (cables, especially IDE cables are big obstruction).

Scythe S-FLEX exist in 1200 rpm edition too. May be he is silent on 1200 full speed?

Intel forums are of little help because people there simply copy/paste the Intel documentation without any in deep knowledge.
That's why, if you ask "deep" questions, they are lost in the space...

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Re: Intel DP43TF - Simplicity "in action"

Running this board in one of our office machines here too. The only complaint I have is that, like most other Intel desktop boards I've seen, it sets all SATA hard drives to quiet AAM mode, there is no BIOS option to control that.
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Welcome Twincharger - I was unaware about the AAM mode. Thanks.
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Running this board in one of our office machines here too. The only complaint I have is that, like most other Intel desktop boards I've seen, it sets all SATA hard drives to quiet AAM mode, there is no BIOS option to control that.
Welcome Twincharger from me too,

You must be sure first that, your HDD support Advanced Acoustic Management.
I heard about this, but I'm not sure that it is true.

If it is, you may use the HDDscan in scope to disable the AAM.

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I found a copy of V86 BIOS. Flashed it. It slowed my case fans down to ~300RPM. Too low. I flashed back to V82. Case fans ~600. OK for now.
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"Intel forums are of little help because people there simply copy/paste the Intel documentation without any in deep knowledge.
That's why, if you ask "deep" questions, they are lost in the space... "

Sounds like India call centers!
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:23 AM   #13
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I found a copy of V86 BIOS. Flashed it. It slowed my case fans down to ~300RPM. Too low. I flashed back to V82. Case fans ~600. OK for now.
You may use the SpeedFan utility in scope to control these things.
But I'm not sure if the SpeedFan and IDU may coexist on the same machine.

This board have only one 4-pin fan connector (header) for PWM fan.
This mean that, you are unable to control one 3-pin and one 4-pin fan- they must be all 3-pin (or 4-pin, if you have two 4-pin fan headers).

If all your fans are 3-pin- this is BIOS problem and from my experience Intel will never be able to solve this issues completely.
The solution is- all the fans on the PSU directly - rear fan on max (if it is silent on max), front fan with adapters or fan controllers (hardware).
Or SpeedFan without IDU.

Look also at:
Advanced > Fan Control Configuration Menu

*Processor Zone Damping
Set to ->> Normal

*Processor Zone Response
Set to ->> Normal

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I found a copy of V86 BIOS. Flashed it. It slowed my case fans down to ~300RPM. Too low. I flashed back to V82. Case fans ~600. OK for now.
Send you the BIOS... .
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Send you the BIOS... .
Thanks again - will save file for future reference.

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