Intel DP45SG (Skyburg)

[preyingrazor]

I've started to get another problem. XP 32 bit browses the internet fine.

In my vista 64 bit (installed only today) it's showing that it's connected to the internet (globe icon in taskbar) but google chrome and internet explorer are both crashing when I try to browse anything.

In chrome I get this error:

This web page is not available.

The web page at null might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

More information on error:
Below is the orignial error message

Error 4 (net::ERR_INVALID_ARGUMENT): Unknown error

Sigh. I hope i won't have to reinstall windows.

When google chrome crashes i get a windows DEP popup: Windows data execution prevention has prevented chrome from executing.

phew.

[CrowdAds]

[TCRG tv]

I am so frutrated. I downloaded a game and it jacked up my sound drivers. So I deleted them and tried a fresh reinstall from the Intel disk since the DP45SG website gives error messages and I just get error messages from the disk too. This has been the definition of a love hate relationship. LOL. I guess I am not suprised that Intel chose not to respond to my E mail regarding the Desk Top Controller. It is par for the course for this board.

Sad thing is I had my system running very well before this sound issue. I was happy. I am betting my teamspeak for gaming is out of the question for this weekend. Argggg....

[hawkeyelom]

TCRG
Bypast the board page go to support, etc and download new sound drivers--DP45SG PAGE IS NOW FIXED.

[DaveLessnau]

Originally Posted by Tiger90

I am planning to install this board and use Vista Ultimate 64-bit. I have a new Bluray/HD DVD combo to drive my home theatre. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this board driving a 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setup using the SPDIF port? All these posts around the Dolby Control Center have me a bit worried. Maybe I don't fully understand the issue being discussed.

Multi-channel Dolby-type motherboard sound is one of the most miserable things to understand and/or get working. I don't even come close to grasping it. So take everything I say, below, with a grain of salt. Some of the things I've seen come right out and say that if your receiver/speakers has analog connections for all the channels, go ahead and use those instead of the SPDIF ports. From what I can make out, the DP45SG's sound chip and Intel's sound drivers/codec for it can handle all the Dolby formats. They'll be handled properly and dumped out the analog lines to your speakers. The only possible problem might be electronic noise since there's an analog path for the sound to take through the innards of the computer. But, in my experience with this board, I don't hear any such noise.

Now, the SPDIF side of things is where it gets mucky. I'd always assumed that the optical SPDIF (and even the coax version) would have darn near unlimited bandwidth. So, all sound channels would be dumped in their digital pristineness down the optical cable to the receiver where it would be decoded (assuming your receiver has the necessary Dolby stuff built in) and pushed to the speakers. It turns out I was wrong. Normally, SPDIF is limited to just the front speakers (remember the salt shaker here). But, if your receiver has the proper Dolby technology (Dolby Digital Live/Dolby Home Theater/DTS?), and the source is in the same format, then the sound chip can somehow still get at least 5.1 worth of data down to the receiver (I'm not sure at what sampling rate, though). Otherwise, it's just 2 channel sound. This was what I thought the Dolby Control Center did. But, after playing around with the standard IDT audio that comes with this board, I see the Dolby Home Theater logo in it. So, that should be enough.

If the above is wrong, someone please correct me.

Also, here's how I set my system up:

For physical connections between my motherboard and amp, I've got two analog connections (green: FL/FR and black: RL/RR -- these are the only analog connections my receiver (Creative Inspire 5.1 Digital 5700) accepts, even though it's 5.1) and the one optical SPDIF rear connector connected. I'm using both so that the analog will handle normal sounds (beeps and bloops and sound from games) and the SPDIF will handle anything I might run that's Dolby (particular flavor?) encoded.

In Vista's Sound applet, Speakers/HP are set as the default:

• Clicking on Properties for them and choosing the Advanced tab:
  • Default Format is set to 24 bit, 44100 Hz (Studio Quality)
  • Under Exclusive Mode, both boxes ("Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority") are checked

• Clicking on Configure:
  • On the first page, Audio Channels is set to Quadraphonic (since my Creative Inspire 5.1 Digital 5700 amp only has two analog inputs (FL/FR and RL/RR)
  • On the next page, both Full-range Speakers boxes are checked ("Front left and right" and "Surround speakers")

• Selecting SPDIF-Out (Rear) and choosing Properties:
  • On the Supported Formats tab, I've got DTS Audio and Dolby Digital checked (those are the logos on the front of my receiver and both test out ok here). I've also got 44.1 KHz checked under Sample Rates (it's the only one that tests out)
  • On the Advanced tab, I've set the Default Format to "2 channel, 24 bit, 44100 Hz (Studio Quality). That's the highest sampling rate the Intel site says it's motherboard outputs. I'd have thought I could select Dolby, but it fails its test (I probably have a wrong flavor of Dolby somewhere). I also have both boxes under Exclusive Mode ("Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority") checked.

In the IDT HD Sound application:

• The Jacks are showing oddly. On the Rear Panel display, the green (front) and black (rear) connections are highlighted and show the right speakers. The SPDIF doesn't appear highlighted and only says "Device: SPDIF Out."
• Under Speakers/HP (most of this should be inherited from Vista's Sound application, but always make sure):
  • Under Settings, I've set them as Default
  • Setup shows Quadraphonic and test fine.
  • Dolby has Pro Logic IIx lit and I've left the Dimension and Center Width alone at 0 and 3, respectively, since I don't know what they are.

• Under SPDIF-Out (Rear):
  • Settings does NOT have it set as Default
  • Dolby does NOT have "Enable Dolby Digital Live" set. It's grayed out even though my receiver does Dolby Digital and DTS. i guess Dolby Digital Live is something different.

Hopefully, all of that will help and won't be too mis-informative.

[hawkeyelom]

Originally Posted by preyingrazor

I've started to get another problem. XP 32 bit browses the internet fine.

In my vista 64 bit (installed only today) it's showing that it's connected to the internet (globe icon in taskbar) but google chrome and internet explorer are both crashing when I try to browse anything.

In chrome I get this error:

This web page is not available.

The web page at null might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

More information on error:
Below is the orignial error message

Error 4 (net::ERR_INVALID_ARGUMENT): Unknown error

Sigh. I hope i won't have to reinstall windows.

When google chrome crashes i get a windows DEP popup: Windows data execution prevention has prevented chrome from executing.

phew.

You may need to release the IP address of your router and/or modem if it is still has the settings from XP—sounds like you are dual booting? Yes – I am assuming you have both a router and separate modem. If you have a combo unit the following still applies

It's the public IP that needs to be released. The public IP will be held by either the modem or you router at the moment, likely the router.

Access the router - usually 192.168.1.1, (or whatever the default gateway is when you do ipconfig) - check the status page - if the WAN (or Internet) IP address starts with 192, then your modem has the Public IP, but if it starts with anything else press the release, or disconnect button. When the WAN IP changes to 0.0.0.0 pull the power. Wait a minute or so aned reconnect the power.

When the equipment is re-connected it should automatically ask the ISP's server for an IP address. Since you released the IP/MAC binding, the server will have no record of what MAC it should issue the IP to, so it will capture the MAC of the reconnected equipment and issue an IP for it.

Hope this works--it is only a guess

[DrDuranDuran]

Originally Posted by hawkeyelom

To Dr. Duran,
My 4850 is running fine but it runs hot ~60 C at idle, as do the 4870s. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEARCH ON 4850 cards. I think there are a couple of manufactures who use better cooling than Saphire or ATI reference.

BTW what resolution is your Monitor set to if above 1920 x1200--you earlier said 1980--if so this might be the problem. I have seen references to problems with this card at above 1920 x 1200

yeah, It was 1920x1200. It's all moot now, I RMA'ed the Sapphire card back to newegg and got the Asus Dark Knight 4870 /w 1 Gig and it works flawlessly so far (have not loaded up any games, but I am trying Crysis after this posting !!). I read that someone on the newegg mobo comments said they uesd the Sapphire card to success and loved it, so maybe it was a combo issue for me (bad card/crap support). Either way, Intel said that various ATi cards are still having issues since the latest BIOS. Now I found out my old 24" Dell monitor needs HDCP so I can use my new Blu-ray drive on it, great !

Thanks for any and all help with this video card issue

[Tiger90]

DaveLessnau, I appreciate the detailed post. Your info on the SPDIF port is consistent with what I have read. I have looked at a number of standard home stereo BluRay players and they indicate that the SPDIF port provides 5.1. If 7.1 is required the HDMI port has to be used. My plan is to to connect the internal SPDIF audio header to my video card (EVGA 896-P3-1265-AR GeForce GTX 260). The Video card converts to HDMI which I will run to my TV. To connect the Home Theatre AMP (Denon AVR 5800) (no HDMI) I will have to use the external SPDIF port. Since I only have a 5.1 setup it sounds like things should work.

I should have the complete system assembled next week and will post my results. Your setup info will be very handy!

[rys]

Originally Posted by DrDuranDuran

Thanks for any and all help with this video card issue

What OS are you running? Can you sleep/hibernate the system? If everything is 100% good, can you post your memory setup (brand/part number) and BIOS settings?

I am having a heck of a time keeping XP64 stable on this board. I suspect memory or my Diamond HD 4870.

Thanks,

-Brian

[JimTram]

Hey Sandog - As you can see from my sig I went with the DP43TF. I did not want to give up my PS/2 KB and also buy DDR3.

Very easy installation. Rock solid. Performance slightly above the DP965 (1FPS). Got a bit more headroom though. BIOS is good, although I have to use S1 mode for standby, as S3 will wake the computer - but not the monitor.

There is a new IDU for it - it's in beta however. I'll wait till later to install it.

The DP43TF was once advertised as a server board going for ~$1000.00 (per googling). This must be a mistake as I only paid ~$80.

Getting ~49FPS in FarCry2 with everything at "Very High" - I'm happy.

Thanks again for the link.

Merry Christmas to all.

JAT

Originally Posted by Sandog

Here ya go JT,

X-bit labs - Asus P5QL-E: a $100 Mainboard on Intel P43 Express That Looks Like a $200 One

This review shows the difference between the chipsets

...and this shows the difference between the two Intel mobo's.

Intel® Product Comparison Chart

The DP43FT uses DDR2 and has an IDE header. I would go for the DP45SG, it can be bought for $127 and the DDR3 for $100-150 for 2x2GB. Also the DP45SG uses IDT audio and the other Realtek. I think the LAN chip is probably very comparable also.

[DaveLessnau]

Originally Posted by Tiger90

DaveLessnau, I appreciate the detailed post. Your info on the SPDIF port is consistent with what I have read. I have looked at a number of standard home stereo BluRay players and they indicate that the SPDIF port provides 5.1. If 7.1 is required the HDMI port has to be used. My plan is to to connect the internal SPDIF audio header to my video card (EVGA 896-P3-1265-AR GeForce GTX 260). The Video card converts to HDMI which I will run to my TV. To connect the Home Theatre AMP (Denon AVR 5800) (no HDMI) I will have to use the external SPDIF port. Since I only have a 5.1 setup it sounds like things should work.

I should have the complete system assembled next week and will post my results. Your setup info will be very handy!

I did some more testing of my sound setup this morning. It looks like I don't need the analog connections at all (which sounded fine, BTW, even though they were lacking the center and subwoofer). I played a movie through the optical SPDIF and got 5.1 (I think) sound. I also tried some music I had ripped and some stuff on YouTube: they were fine. Ditto for a game (just Luxor, nothing fancy). The one odd thing was that my receiver didn't indicate a Dolby stream when the movie was playing even though it was encoded with Dolby Digital (among other things). Yet, when I test Dolby Digital and DTS in Vista's Sound applet, those lights light up on the receiver.

Regarding sound quality, I'm no audiophile. Plus, this room isn't exactly quiet. But, I can't really tell the difference between the analog sound and the digital. If I turn the volume on my receiver WAAAY up, I can hear some hissing under analog. Under digital, nothing. But, if I tried listening to music or something at those volumes, birds would be dropping from the sky (stunned by the sound levels), and my ears would be bleeding. Under normal conditions, either analog or digital are perfectly good. So, my guess is that however you hook your system up, you'll be fine.

[preyingrazor]

Originally Posted by hawkeyelom

You may need to release the IP address of your router and/or modem if it is still has the settings from XP—sounds like you are dual booting? Yes – I am assuming you have both a router and separate modem. If you have a combo unit the following still applies

It's the public IP that needs to be released. The public IP will be held by either the modem or you router at the moment, likely the router.

Access the router - usually 192.168.1.1, (or whatever the default gateway is when you do ipconfig) - check the status page - if the WAN (or Internet) IP address starts with 192, then your modem has the Public IP, but if it starts with anything else press the release, or disconnect button. When the WAN IP changes to 0.0.0.0 pull the power. Wait a minute or so aned reconnect the power.

When the equipment is re-connected it should automatically ask the ISP's server for an IP address. Since you released the IP/MAC binding, the server will have no record of what MAC it should issue the IP to, so it will capture the MAC of the reconnected equipment and issue an IP for it.

Hope this works--it is only a guess

Thanks a lot. Yes all your guesses were spot on. Im dual booting xp32 and vista64. im also using a wireless router.
I tried doing what u suggested but didnt have any luck. I think something was seriously messed up at the windows network layer cos both internet explorer and chrome were literally crashing 5 seconds after starting them.
Anyway i reinstalled vista64 and the problem went away. With this velociraptor drive the installation is so wicked fast that i actually wasted more time trying to figure out another solution to the problem go western digital.
And im going to town with intel cos it all started when i overclocked the host frequency. I dont know how this board got the extreme designation. Seriously.
I hope the bios matures into something stable and reliable soon so that people can realize the true potential they bought the board for.

And god bless this forum.

[DaveLessnau]

Another note about the sound on this board. After using the SPDIF port for most of the day, I changed back to my analog connections. As noted earlier, I couldn't get my Dolby lights to light up on my receiver when playing a Dolby track. The sound was OK, but the lack of those lights bothered me a bit. I did some more testing in Vista's Sound applet and noticed that when I tested the Dolby and DTS sounds there (and got the lights), I'd also lose the first several seconds of each test. Then, I actually ended up getting crackling noises while playing Luxor (which I don't understand at all, since I should have been getting nothing but a digital stream until it hit the optical cable to the receiver. Anyway, at that point, I went back to the analog connections (even though I'm limited to 4 channels there). I'll be very interested to hear Tiger90's report on his sound setup later.

[Drools]

I must be lucky I guess or maybe just boring. Both of my systems are running fine at the original bios and WinXP sp3, one dual boots to Vista U x32. I left everything in the bios set to Auto. I keep coming back to this thread to see if a newer bios will actually give me an update worth doing. However most of the time I see new users that have more bad news than good news.

[cmgx]

Just got the DP45SG so far I have not been able to get it to start. I am using: c2d e6850, corsair 700w psu, 2x x1950 pro, 4x2gb ADATA ddr3 1333 ram.

I put the cpu and the ram and video cards in. Started it up no beeps all the fans come on but no video signal.

The pcie connector is plugged into the power supply. The 2x4 is plugged into the cpu power and the 1x4 is plugged in next to the pci slots on mobo.

I removed one card and still no video output.

I removed all but one stick of ram still no video output.

Finally was able to get my hand on an old PCI video card. Stuck that in there and still no video, no beeps, and no idea what the problem could be.

Anybody have an idea?

Thanks
Dan

[snoylekim]

Originally Posted by cmgx

Just got the DP45SG so far I have not been able to get it to start. I am using: c2d e6850, corsair 700w psu, 2x x1950 pro, 4x2gb ADATA ddr3 1333 ram.

I put the cpu and the ram and video cards in. Started it up no beeps all the fans come on but no video signal.

The pcie connector is plugged into the power supply. The 2x4 is plugged into the cpu power and the 1x4 is plugged in next to the pci slots on mobo.

I removed one card and still no video output.

I removed all but one stick of ram still no video output.

Finally was able to get my hand on an old PCI video card. Stuck that in there and still no video, no beeps, and no idea what the problem could be.

Anybody have an idea?

Thanks
Dan

check your PSW 2x4 and the connection on the Mobo..fans spinning w/ no boot is a symptom of no power or a bad connection on the 2x4 CPU power connector.. If the PSW is known OK, double check the connection. If you can wrangle a POST card from someplace, stick it in PCI 1 and you can check against the coes/error codes in the downloadable Intel tech doc for the board.. I had a few issues w/mine, but got it going , and it's working great for what I'm doing..