Will the CUSL2-C support the new P3 1.2mhz - Page 2

Butcher · 09-09-2001, 07:18 AM

Hello all: Yes, it is baffling to me too. I really want to change my Pent III 866 to 1ghz or higher and preferably with cDo stepping and a heat spreader. Some say it will work on a CUSL2 and some say it will not work.
REally strange how accurate information is hard to come by. I have inquired to many on-line cpu suppliers, but none have answered that they have the specific kind of processor I want to buy. I have so far concentrated on getting a 1ghz with spec of SL5FQ. Suppliers apparently do not know how to get such a processor cause they never respond.
Any help in locating such a processor would be appreciated-a 1.1 or 1.2 that will work would also be appreciated.

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**k0NG0** · 09-09-2001, 07:19 AM

I dug up some links. Information is not clear however. The Register's bit says that the Coppermine-T is .18micron. The VR-Zone information also points in that direction. But Intel's .pdf (page 27) has the 1.2GHz as being a FCPGA2-packaged CPU. Contradictions aplenty.

http://www.ocworkbench.com/articles/...vstualatin.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/20513.html
http://www.ebnews.com/digest/story/OEG20001106S0044
http://www.vr-zone.com/Home/news59/news59.htm
http://support.intel.com/design/pent...t/24445333.pdf

Found this also

Quote:

With the introduction of the Coppermine-T and Tualatin chips comes a new AGTL bus voltage. The older 1.5v AGTL+ bus is used by existing Coppermine chips. The new 1.25v AGTL bus is used by the Tualatin chips and can be used by the Coppermine-T chips. Oddly enough, the Coppermine-T chips can actually use either voltage in single chip mode; the Tualatin chips cannot. But in a dual-processor configuration the Coppermine-T must use the lower 1.25v bus voltage. Note that the motherboard's chipset *must* support the 1.25v setting for chips to work in it. Older revisions of the Intel 815E/EP chipsets (as well as ALi, SiS, and VIA chipsets that lack the 'T' designation) will not work with the new CPUs, even if the motherboard seems to support the core voltage and amperage draw of the chip. The chipset *must* be compliant with the 1.25v AGTL voltage for a Tualatin CPU to work (the popular 440BX and 440GX chipsets are not compatible with the new bus voltage). Ask your motherboard manufacturer or OEM about specific compatibility issues.

From: http://users.erols.com/chare/cpu_proc.htm#pii

Seems the MB must support the lower voltage to support the Coppermine-T's, meaning the CUSL2 will not be able to handle it.

An answer from Intel directly would be the best solution. I've e-mailed them and will let you know when I get an answer.

-kONGO

Butcher · 09-09-2001, 07:23 AM

Good info Kongo, thanks. I too am anxious to hear what intel has to say.
thnks

**k0NG0** · 09-09-2001, 08:47 AM

Received an automated "thank you for mailing us"-message. They usually reply within two business days, so wednesday the latest we should have an official answer.

-kONGO

Rebellion · 09-09-2001, 09:03 AM

There is a good chance that the cD0 stepping is the coppermine-T.
I have a cD0 celeron so i know for sure it´s based on 0.18 technology... i don´t think they would use 0.13 technology for a low end cpu yet but the cD0 seems to bee good at reaching high speeds as my 800 reached 1333 with no problems and can go even higher as i booted into windows above 1400, but when the temp reached 50 degrees it hanged... have to wait for my 172w peltier before trying harder...

And by the way that one is working fine on my CUSL2

//Rebellion

switch_abx · 09-09-2001, 09:59 AM

Kongo, I look forward to hearing the response from Intel.

deadkenny · 09-09-2001, 08:44 PM

IMHO the fastest Coppermine is the 1.1GHz with 100MHz FSB listed on the Intel site. I checked the Swiss site, and it appears to describe the 512KB cache version of the Tualatin as a "Tualatin", but I believe the 256KB cache processors mentioned are the desktop Tualatins (although it is not stated). Since Intel is actually trying to kill off the PIII, I doubt they would be coming out with new, faster, Coppermines at this point. It will be interesting to see the "official" confirmation from Intel.

switch_abx · 09-10-2001, 02:55 AM

Well I called my Swiss supplier. In a week I have a PIII with 1200 Mhz, FC-PGA, in house, which is confirmed and gauranteed to run on my CUSL2!!!!!

This has been confirmed by phone today by my supplier!

It was stated at the same time, that supplies to vendors by Intel will be very limited hence this processor will be very difficult to acquire.

deadkenny · 09-10-2001, 07:56 AM

Let us know how it goes, and good luck! BTW, I don't supposed you'd consider ordering one for me, if you've got some sort of 'inside' contact or something?

I recall another thread on this board, where someone ordered a faster PIII and was assured that it would work on a CUSL2 board. Turned out in that case it was a Tualatin and it didn't work on his existing board. I have my fingers crossed for good luck in your case. Hey, I'd like to upgrade my processor too (without having to upgrade the motherboard). Intel could be a bit clearer on this point as well (to say the least). They also stated that the 'server version' of the Tualatin (i.e. 512KB cache) wasn't supported even on the TUSL2 (i.e. B stepping of 815 chipset). Turns out that the voltage requirement for the 512KB version is like different by .005 volts or something. Apparently it runs fine on the TUSL2, although not technically at spec. It really seems as though Intel is going out of their way to make things more difficult and confusing (hmmm, can I read "buy a P4" between the lines, or is it just my imagination?).

**k0NG0** · 09-10-2001, 08:16 AM

Well, I read over at The Register that the manufacturing of the desktop PIII will cease on december 7th, and that all orders after october 12th cannot be cancelled. That would mean the 256KB Tualatin and the Coppermine-T is bye-bye also by then.
The 512KB ones should be considered a server-chip, and I remember seeing that a 1.4GHz one will be released in early Q1 2002.

Also, I would hold off ordering the 1.2GHz PIII before I get the answer from Intel. It is possible that the supplier have gotten things wrong, maybe slim chances, but they exist.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/21562.html

-kONGO

switch_abx · 09-10-2001, 11:12 AM

You all made me so scary, that I wrote an email to my supplier with the request to confirm in writing to me, that the ordered PIII, FC-PGA, @ 1200 Mhz will fit in all motherboards with Intel chipset i815e or i815ep and to confirm that the ordered processor can be used on my ASUS CUSL2 and will not cause any damage to my motherboard or other components.

Let's see what the response will be.

For your info: the list price of the processor at my supplier is the equivalent of US$315,-

**k0NG0** · 09-11-2001, 02:41 PM

I got the answer from Intel, and it didn't give us any information.

Quote:

Thank you for contacting Intel(R) Customer Support. The answer to your question is motherboard specific, and simply depends on the manufacturer to validate the motherboard for that specific processor. As you know, both .18 and .13 micron processors are supported by the Intel(R) 815 chipset:
http://developer.intel.com/design/ch...mainstream.htm

Also, see the warning messages here regarding the motherboard requirements:
http://support.intel.com/support/pro...technology.htm
http://support.intel.com/support/pro...tium_III-s.htm

So the answer simply depends on which motherboards specifically support the new processors.

Best Regards,

Casey H.
Intel Customer Support

Yawn, even though I asked if the Coppermine-T would run in the first steppings of the i815 (pre-B-step) he gives me this answer. Darn it, he should have understood I'm no beginner when it comes to these things from my mail. I doubt it if he knows what a stepping is.

So, the Intel path is a dead end it seems (unless someone can dig up a mail-address to some tech-guy with some sense). I'm thinking of mailing the likes of Mike Magee to check if they have/can acquire some more info on this matter. Tell me if you'd like me to...

-kONGO

switch_abx · 09-11-2001, 05:20 PM

I got a phone call from my supplier after my email. The guy firmly stated that the PIII 1200 Mhz will run on all motherboards with i815e and i815ep.

He cannot give it however in writing. He told me that these are "boxed" processors, so no OEM. The only thing he said is that I have to update my BIOS (latest available is 1009 final, to which I updated about two weeks ago).

The processor is even expected to become avaialbe the day after tomorrow (Thursday).

I asked if their Hotline (techies) can first give it a try in their workshop on an ASUS CUSL2. He said they will do so (for what it is worth).

I keep you informed.

In any case, all those problems with computers become so futile after hearing about this tragedy in the USA. I have no words for it.

**k0NG0** · 09-12-2001, 10:50 AM

Did a search of the board after some information, and stumbled over an old thread. ZBone bought one of these FC-PGA 1.2GHz .18 micron CPUs, and it did NOT work in his CUSL2-BP. Just thought I should mention it. The box-number they talked about resembles the one on the site Dutch mentioned.

http://www.asusboards.com/forums/sho...?threadid=6817

-kONGO

Pascal_abx · 09-12-2001, 01:15 PM

This http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/intel-tualatin/roadmap.gif has only the .13 micron 1.2GHz P3.

09-09-2001, 07:18 AM	#16
Butcher chop, chop, yummy, yum Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Columbia, Maryland Posts: 1,219	Hello all: Yes, it is baffling to me too. I really want to change my Pent III 866 to 1ghz or higher and preferably with cDo stepping and a heat spreader. Some say it will work on a CUSL2 and some say it will not work. REally strange how accurate information is hard to come by. I have inquired to many on-line cpu suppliers, but none have answered that they have the specific kind of processor I want to buy. I have so far concentrated on getting a 1ghz with spec of SL5FQ. Suppliers apparently do not know how to get such a processor cause they never respond. Any help in locating such a processor would be appreciated-a 1.1 or 1.2 that will work would also be appreciated.
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09-09-2001, 07:23 AM	#18
Butcher chop, chop, yummy, yum Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Columbia, Maryland Posts: 1,219	Good info Kongo, thanks. I too am anxious to hear what intel has to say. thnks
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09-09-2001, 08:47 AM	#19
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,749	Received an automated "thank you for mailing us"-message. They usually reply within two business days, so wednesday the latest we should have an official answer. -kONGO
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09-09-2001, 09:03 AM	#20
Rebellion Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 34	There is a good chance that the cD0 stepping is the coppermine-T. I have a cD0 celeron so i know for sure it´s based on 0.18 technology... i don´t think they would use 0.13 technology for a low end cpu yet but the cD0 seems to bee good at reaching high speeds as my 800 reached 1333 with no problems and can go even higher as i booted into windows above 1400, but when the temp reached 50 degrees it hanged... have to wait for my 172w peltier before trying harder... And by the way that one is working fine on my CUSL2 //Rebellion __________________ Celeron 800 @ 1333 MHz @ 2.2v (wiretricked), Watercooled Asus CUSL2 384 Mb Mosel Vitelic PC133 cas2 memory @ 166 MHz cas3 Asus v7700 Geforce2 GTS Deluxe IBM Deskstar 22GPX 18Gb 7200 rpm Pioneer DVD-103 Enermax EG351P-V 330W www.gavle.to/rebellion/puter.html
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09-09-2001, 09:59 AM	#21
switch_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,677	Kongo, I look forward to hearing the response from Intel.
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09-09-2001, 08:44 PM	#22
deadkenny Dead Technophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 918	IMHO the fastest Coppermine is the 1.1GHz with 100MHz FSB listed on the Intel site. I checked the Swiss site, and it appears to describe the 512KB cache version of the Tualatin as a "Tualatin", but I believe the 256KB cache processors mentioned are the desktop Tualatins (although it is not stated). Since Intel is actually trying to kill off the PIII, I doubt they would be coming out with new, faster, Coppermines at this point. It will be interesting to see the "official" confirmation from Intel.
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09-10-2001, 02:55 AM	#23
switch_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,677	Well I called my Swiss supplier. In a week I have a PIII with 1200 Mhz, FC-PGA, in house, which is confirmed and gauranteed to run on my CUSL2!!!!! This has been confirmed by phone today by my supplier! It was stated at the same time, that supplies to vendors by Intel will be very limited hence this processor will be very difficult to acquire.
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09-10-2001, 07:56 AM	#24
deadkenny Dead Technophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 918	Let us know how it goes, and good luck! BTW, I don't supposed you'd consider ordering one for me, if you've got some sort of 'inside' contact or something? I recall another thread on this board, where someone ordered a faster PIII and was assured that it would work on a CUSL2 board. Turned out in that case it was a Tualatin and it didn't work on his existing board. I have my fingers crossed for good luck in your case. Hey, I'd like to upgrade my processor too (without having to upgrade the motherboard). Intel could be a bit clearer on this point as well (to say the least). They also stated that the 'server version' of the Tualatin (i.e. 512KB cache) wasn't supported even on the TUSL2 (i.e. B stepping of 815 chipset). Turns out that the voltage requirement for the 512KB version is like different by .005 volts or something. Apparently it runs fine on the TUSL2, although not technically at spec. It really seems as though Intel is going out of their way to make things more difficult and confusing (hmmm, can I read "buy a P4" between the lines, or is it just my imagination?).
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09-10-2001, 08:16 AM	#25
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,749	Well, I read over at The Register that the manufacturing of the desktop PIII will cease on december 7th, and that all orders after october 12th cannot be cancelled. That would mean the 256KB Tualatin and the Coppermine-T is bye-bye also by then. The 512KB ones should be considered a server-chip, and I remember seeing that a 1.4GHz one will be released in early Q1 2002. Also, I would hold off ordering the 1.2GHz PIII before I get the answer from Intel. It is possible that the supplier have gotten things wrong, maybe slim chances, but they exist. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/21562.html -kONGO
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09-10-2001, 11:12 AM	#26
switch_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,677	You all made me so scary, that I wrote an email to my supplier with the request to confirm in writing to me, that the ordered PIII, FC-PGA, @ 1200 Mhz will fit in all motherboards with Intel chipset i815e or i815ep and to confirm that the ordered processor can be used on my ASUS CUSL2 and will not cause any damage to my motherboard or other components. Let's see what the response will be. For your info: the list price of the processor at my supplier is the equivalent of US$315,-
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09-11-2001, 05:20 PM	#28
switch_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,677	I got a phone call from my supplier after my email. The guy firmly stated that the PIII 1200 Mhz will run on all motherboards with i815e and i815ep. He cannot give it however in writing. He told me that these are "boxed" processors, so no OEM. The only thing he said is that I have to update my BIOS (latest available is 1009 final, to which I updated about two weeks ago). The processor is even expected to become avaialbe the day after tomorrow (Thursday). I asked if their Hotline (techies) can first give it a try in their workshop on an ASUS CUSL2. He said they will do so (for what it is worth). I keep you informed. In any case, all those problems with computers become so futile after hearing about this tragedy in the USA. I have no words for it.
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09-12-2001, 10:50 AM	#29
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,749	Did a search of the board after some information, and stumbled over an old thread. ZBone bought one of these FC-PGA 1.2GHz .18 micron CPUs, and it did NOT work in his CUSL2-BP. Just thought I should mention it. The box-number they talked about resembles the one on the site Dutch mentioned. http://www.asusboards.com/forums/sho...?threadid=6817 -kONGO
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09-12-2001, 01:15 PM	#30
Pascal_abx Sun worshiper Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sunny Brazil Posts: 457	This http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/intel-tualatin/roadmap.gif has only the .13 micron 1.2GHz P3.
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