ATI R9800pro, CAT 3.2/3.3... the 2003 Winner !!

bajo · 03-13-2003, 04:11 PM

http://www.rage3d.com/#1047579924

spookyload · 03-13-2003, 04:22 PM

That seems like a bit of a forcast seeing as the 3.2 drivers aren't even out yet. All you ATI fans better hope they get it right and it doesn't screw your system up like previous drivers did. I have never seen any video card have so many threads that have to do with not being able to get the card to work. If it weren't for that I would probably have bought the 9700 pro last year. I see as many 9700 pro problem threads as there used to be sound blaster live threads.

As for the 9800, I dont see it as much more of an improvement over the 9700 pro. Call me crazy but they are putting out a card that doesn't out preform the 9700pro by much, especially to justify the extra $100. Seems to me like they just threw out a product to topple the FX. That is a pitty. Why not wait and release a new product that will rise far above the 9700pro and the FX. You might not get your market share now, but think of the long term effects it would have toward NVIDIA. They would be scratching their heads and scrambling again.

Both the FX and 9800 seem like just an excuse to put a new product on the market since their 4600 and 9700 are starting to come down in price and they need a new $400 card. This generation of cards will be short lived in my opinion, with the next generation truely showing advances.

Qba73 · 03-13-2003, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by spookyload
That seems like a bit of a forcast seeing as the 3.2 drivers aren't even out yet. All you ATI fans better hope they get it right and it doesn't screw your system up like previous drivers did. I have never seen any video card have so many threads that have to do with not being able to get the card to work. If it weren't for that I would probably have bought the 9700 pro last year. I see as many 9700 pro problem threads as there used to be sound blaster live threads.

As for the 9800, I dont see it as much more of an improvement over the 9700 pro. Call me crazy but they are putting out a card that doesn't out preform the 9700pro by much, especially to justify the extra $100. Seems to me like they just threw out a product to topple the FX. That is a pitty. Why not wait and release a new product that will rise far above the 9700pro and the FX. You might not get your market share now, but think of the long term effects it would have toward NVIDIA. They would be scratching their heads and scrambling again.

Both the FX and 9800 seem like just an excuse to put a new product on the market since their 4600 and 9700 are starting to come down in price and they need a new $400 card. This generation of cards will be short lived in my opinion, with the next generation truely showing advances.

Well said

i myself will wait for the r400 and not jump on the beefed up 9700 aka 9800 (r350)..also the r400 will incorporate ddr2 as well as a .013 process on the gpu where as all the 9800pro has to offer is the higher clock, (which most of us can achieve already ocing the 9700) and the 256mb mem onboard which NO game or game in the near future will need.

i dont think its wise to turn out a new super card every 6 months, i am a fan of ati but cmon now most of us just got finished buying our 9700's not too long ago. and if im gonna spend another 400 it will be 400 for the R400...lol

so does this mean the 9700 will be discontinued 6 months after its inception as the 8500 was?
, is market saturation in ati's vocabulary?

bajo · 03-13-2003, 05:03 PM

.. altho R9800pro outperforms R9700pro 20%

ATINUT · 03-13-2003, 05:05 PM

spookyload,

Get real, it's not the drivers that are the cause of the problems. It is mostly AGP 8X motherboards using VIA, SIS, and ALI chipsets. It is now known, that VIA admitted to a bug in their chipsets that cause incompatibilities with ATI videocards. The part of the problem, is motherboards that need bios updates, Radeon 9700 Pro's not being hooked up to the powersupply by itself, and other factors including software firewalls causing lockups and stuttering when fastwrites for the card are enabled.

bajo · 03-13-2003, 05:44 PM

http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/Grap...n9800Pro.shtml

Maxbo · 03-13-2003, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajo
http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/Grap...n9800Pro.shtml

Thanks for the links Bajo!

You keep me up to date...I am very close to either getting the 9800 or the 9700 Pro AIW. I am leaning toward the AIW, I have an Mitsubishi HDTV 52 inch wide screen TV sitting real close by and I would love to see what it would look like on it.

bajo · 03-13-2003, 07:05 PM

You're welcome Maxbo !

Maxbo · 03-13-2003, 07:07 PM

What about the release date on the 9800 Pro 256mb? Anybody know...???

pointreyes · 03-13-2003, 07:13 PM

Add to the list the Intel Granite Bay boards for having a bug with 8x.

Quote:

Originally posted by ATINUT
spookyload,

Get real, it's not the drivers that are the cause of the problems. It is mostly AGP 8X motherboards using VIA, SIS, and ALI chipsets. It is now known, that VIA admitted to a bug in their chipsets that cause incompatibilities with ATI videocards. The part of the problem, is motherboards that need bios updates, Radeon 9700 Pro's not being hooked up to the powersupply by itself, and other factors including software firewalls causing lockups and stuttering when fastwrites for the card are enabled.

bajo · 03-13-2003, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maxbo
What about the release date on the 9800 Pro 256mb? Anybody know...???

Pbly by June 03.

sumrtym · 03-13-2003, 07:24 PM

April, actually, with abundance in May.

bajo · 03-13-2003, 07:48 PM

by June 256mb for sure, then I'll just wait for R400 !

Smurfer · 03-13-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

June 256mb for sure, then I'll just wait for R400 !

With DDR II/III Yea Baby!

Forgot to metion 3.2's way way better!

bajo · 03-13-2003, 07:57 PM

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spookyload IN-n-Out Expert Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Probably stuck in Iraq! Posts: 2,935	That seems like a bit of a forcast seeing as the 3.2 drivers aren't even out yet. All you ATI fans better hope they get it right and it doesn't screw your system up like previous drivers did. I have never seen any video card have so many threads that have to do with not being able to get the card to work. If it weren't for that I would probably have bought the 9700 pro last year. I see as many 9700 pro problem threads as there used to be sound blaster live threads. As for the 9800, I dont see it as much more of an improvement over the 9700 pro. Call me crazy but they are putting out a card that doesn't out preform the 9700pro by much, especially to justify the extra $100. Seems to me like they just threw out a product to topple the FX. That is a pitty. Why not wait and release a new product that will rise far above the 9700pro and the FX. You might not get your market share now, but think of the long term effects it would have toward NVIDIA. They would be scratching their heads and scrambling again. Both the FX and 9800 seem like just an excuse to put a new product on the market since their 4600 and 9700 are starting to come down in price and they need a new $400 card. This generation of cards will be short lived in my opinion, with the next generation truely showing advances.
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,253	R400 is IT for me too ! .. altho R9800pro outperforms R9700pro 20% __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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ATINUT Just Plain Crazy! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,277	spookyload, Get real, it's not the drivers that are the cause of the problems. It is mostly AGP 8X motherboards using VIA, SIS, and ALI chipsets. It is now known, that VIA admitted to a bug in their chipsets that cause incompatibilities with ATI videocards. The part of the problem, is motherboards that need bios updates, Radeon 9700 Pro's not being hooked up to the powersupply by itself, and other factors including software firewalls causing lockups and stuttering when fastwrites for the card are enabled. __________________ Intel D975XBX2 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 8GB's of Mushkin HP2 6400 memory(DDR2 800) two Sapphire GDDR4 Radeon 3870 videocards HT Omega Claro(Cmedia 8788HD chip) 120GB&200GB&320GB Western Digital harddrives LG DVDROM & LG DVDBURNER HP Deskjet 920C Logitech X-540 speakers Viewsonic VG2030wm 20inch Widescreen LCD Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit with Service Pack 1 Who'se the fool that approved the design for this place. - The Dwarf, Sacred Underworld.
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,253	http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/Grap...n9800Pro.shtml __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,253	You're welcome Maxbo ! __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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Maxbo just visiting... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,280	What about the release date on the 9800 Pro 256mb? Anybody know...???
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sumrtym King without a castle Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 987	April, actually, with abundance in May.
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,253	by June 256mb for sure, then I'll just wait for R400 ! __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,253	.13 mic core too !! __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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