ATI Radeon 9700 PRO or Nvidia GeForce FX 5800?

Jonas_abx · 03-10-2003, 05:18 AM

Hi.Wich should i take?
Hows the performance of the ATI Radeon 9700 PRO compared to the ATI Radeon 8500 or Nvidia GF4Ti4200/AGP8X?

Jonas_abx · 03-10-2003, 06:43 AM

Today i saw that a store will have the ATI Radeon 9800 to come in this week,dont know if it is the pro or anything!Maybe this is better,what do you think?

Templar · 03-10-2003, 08:29 AM

whatever card U get just make sure it's a Radeon.

Simon

Sweeper · 03-10-2003, 08:34 AM

Templar... a little bias towards Radeon aren't we...

Seriously, I do agree. I currently have a Radeon 8500 and a Nvidia TI4600. I have never had one issue with either one. Now, let me qualify that statement with this is the FIRST Nvidia card that I haven't had any issues with. I love both and they are both extremly fast.

Good luck...

Sweeper

Templar · 03-10-2003, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sweeper
Templar... a little bias towards Radeon aren't we...

Sweeper

TRIPPLE LOL How can you call me biased when I don't even say one bad thing about nVidia!?!? *sniffs the fanboy stench*

X = Radeon:

What ever you get make sure it's an X.
Not a very biased statement any more eh ?!

That's just my opinion at the moment!

Simon

Aster_abx · 03-10-2003, 08:50 AM

Given that in every review the Geforce FX 5800 is slower in many benchmarks than the 9700 Pro and it is louder by far while taking up an extra slot in the case.

With the 9800 Pro comming out we can expect to see a further price drop on the 9700 Pro cards. I got mine for $278 at the beginning of the year. The GeforceFX just doesn't provide much justification to go for at $399.

Best suggestion I can give is you may want to hold off for a couple weeks and watch the pricing on the 9700 Pro. The OEM versions of the card (Made by Sapphire and I guess PowerColor it looks like) are the same card last I saw (same memory and gpu used) as the built by ATI.

Templar · 03-10-2003, 08:55 AM

was a bit taken back by being called biased when I don't even mention a single negative word towards B and just state I'd prefer A.

This is why I recomend a Radeon.

GeForce4 MX vs. the 8500-9200 series.
The GeForce4 Mx doesn't even have DX8 support, it's a GF2 core!
8500-9200 have full DX 8.1 support.

Ti4200-4800 series vs. 9500-9700 series.
DX8 support vs. full DX9 support on the Radeons, including more speed and visual quality. I had a GF4600 before my current radeon and the visual quality are so much higher on the Radeon that even my wife commented on the TV out when we were watching a movie on TV from the PC.

High end and you have the 9700 -9800 undesputed performance leaders.

This of course based on what you can buy TODAY, not 2 months from now. If you should want wait for something that's coming in the future is another discussion all together.

The day that any one else makes a better vidcard then the current Radeon I'll recomend that card regardless of who produces it!!

They should make "Logics 101" mandatory in high school

!

Simon

Jonas_abx · 03-10-2003, 08:57 AM

Ok,well im kinda stupid when it comes to be waiting,hehe.
Is there any cons if i buy a ATI Radeon made by Saphire or PowerColor,like performance or MHz etc?

Aster_abx · 03-10-2003, 09:09 AM

There is no difference really that I have seen. I don't know 100% on the Power Color one, but last time I saw one reviewed it had the same clock speeds as the Sapphire and ATI (325 core 310 mem). Mine is made by Sapphire I believe, though just looking t the card you have to know what to look for to tell the dif between the ATI and it. Also on Pricewatch.com right now there are a couple of places that state Built by ATI on them for a whole dollar more than the PowerColor one.

Though PCPart4less seems to think it is ok to state "New ATI" in the Pricewatch Description then show you a PowerColor card on their web page. Ateck Computers is listing a Built by ATI for $284 + $6 shipping for a bulk version of the card (no spiffy box). I'd say call them before ordering to make sure if it matters to you.

Jonas_abx · 03-10-2003, 09:18 AM

Thanks Aster.

Jonas_abx · 03-10-2003, 11:58 AM

Anyone know the difference between these 2:
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128MB DDR DVI, TV-ut Hydravision
and
Hercules, 3D Prophet 9700, 128MB DDR, AGP 8X, VGA, DVI-I, TV-Out, Retail

Templar · 03-10-2003, 12:40 PM

One comes prolly with some games and bundled software like most retail boxes do.

Aster_abx · 03-10-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonas
Anyone know the difference between these 2:
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128MB DDR DVI, TV-ut Hydravision
and
Hercules, 3D Prophet 9700, 128MB DDR, AGP 8X, VGA, DVI-I, TV-Out, Retail

The Prophet 9700 Pro is going to be the higher perfomer. It is the one that matches ATI's 9700 Pro (325 mhz core 310 mhz memory) while the 9700 is going to relate to the ATI 9700 non pro version. It is a slower core speed , it is down to 275 mhz and the memory is clocked down to 270 mhz.

Jonas_abx · 03-11-2003, 03:05 AM

Thanks guys.
Ive been reading about ATI cards now and saw a review of a Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 PRO.It had heatzinks on the memory both on front and rear,also had one on the VPU at the back.This card looked great.Anyone of have it or heard anything about it?

Jonas_abx · 03-11-2003, 04:23 AM

Have a look at this card with HW Monitoring.
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/g9700pro.html
Anyone have this card?

03-10-2003, 05:18 AM	#1
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	ATI Radeon 9700 PRO or Nvidia GeForce FX 5800? Hi.Wich should i take? Hows the performance of the ATI Radeon 9700 PRO compared to the ATI Radeon 8500 or Nvidia GF4Ti4200/AGP8X? __________________ Have a good one
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03-10-2003, 06:43 AM	#2
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03-10-2003, 08:29 AM	#3
Templar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 338	whatever card U get just make sure it's a Radeon. Simon __________________ Here lies one who's name is writ in water. "Keats". Gaming Rig: [ Athlon64 2GHz Alpha Pal8150 ][ MSI K8T Neo ][ 2x512 GEIL Golden Dragon PC3500 ][ Atlantis 9800XT ][ 2x Seagate 160GB SATA + 200GB Maxtor Ext. Firewire ][ SB Audigy 2 with Cambridge THX 500W 5.1 ][ PC Power And Cooling 510W Deluxe ][ TT Xaser 3 alu ][ 22" Mistubishi SuperBright Diamontron ] Labtop (work): [ ECS G551 Centrino 1400MHz ][ 512MB PC2700 ECC ][ M9 Radeon9000 64MB ][ 15.1" TFT 1400*1050 ][ 40GB HD ][ DVD/CDRW ][ WiFi@home ][ AC97 5.1 ]
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03-10-2003, 08:34 AM	#4
Sweeper Trail & Error Expert ?? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrollton, Texas, USA Posts: 778	Templar... a little bias towards Radeon aren't we... Seriously, I do agree. I currently have a Radeon 8500 and a Nvidia TI4600. I have never had one issue with either one. Now, let me qualify that statement with this is the FIRST Nvidia card that I haven't had any issues with. I love both and they are both extremly fast. Good luck... Sweeper __________________ [size=1]Asus P4C800-E Deluxe / 3.2c oc'd 3.7 / (2) Kingston PC3500 HyperX 512 (2) / (2) 74G 10K Raptor / (1) 80G Seagate SATA / (1) Western Digital 120G / Sony DRU-530 DVD RW / Sony 52x24x52 CD-RW / GeForce FX 5700 Ultra / Antech TruPower 550W PS / CompUSA Aluminum Case / Windows XP Pro SP2 / On-board sound / Netgear Gigabit NIC /SIZE]
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03-10-2003, 08:50 AM	#6
Aster_abx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 65	Given that in every review the Geforce FX 5800 is slower in many benchmarks than the 9700 Pro and it is louder by far while taking up an extra slot in the case. With the 9800 Pro comming out we can expect to see a further price drop on the 9700 Pro cards. I got mine for $278 at the beginning of the year. The GeforceFX just doesn't provide much justification to go for at $399. Best suggestion I can give is you may want to hold off for a couple weeks and watch the pricing on the 9700 Pro. The OEM versions of the card (Made by Sapphire and I guess PowerColor it looks like) are the same card last I saw (same memory and gpu used) as the built by ATI.
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03-10-2003, 08:55 AM	#7
Templar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 338	was a bit taken back by being called biased when I don't even mention a single negative word towards B and just state I'd prefer A. This is why I recomend a Radeon. GeForce4 MX vs. the 8500-9200 series. The GeForce4 Mx doesn't even have DX8 support, it's a GF2 core! 8500-9200 have full DX 8.1 support. Ti4200-4800 series vs. 9500-9700 series. DX8 support vs. full DX9 support on the Radeons, including more speed and visual quality. I had a GF4600 before my current radeon and the visual quality are so much higher on the Radeon that even my wife commented on the TV out when we were watching a movie on TV from the PC. High end and you have the 9700 -9800 undesputed performance leaders. This of course based on what you can buy TODAY, not 2 months from now. If you should want wait for something that's coming in the future is another discussion all together. The day that any one else makes a better vidcard then the current Radeon I'll recomend that card regardless of who produces it!! They should make "Logics 101" mandatory in high school ! Simon __________________ Here lies one who's name is writ in water. "Keats". Gaming Rig: [ Athlon64 2GHz Alpha Pal8150 ][ MSI K8T Neo ][ 2x512 GEIL Golden Dragon PC3500 ][ Atlantis 9800XT ][ 2x Seagate 160GB SATA + 200GB Maxtor Ext. Firewire ][ SB Audigy 2 with Cambridge THX 500W 5.1 ][ PC Power And Cooling 510W Deluxe ][ TT Xaser 3 alu ][ 22" Mistubishi SuperBright Diamontron ] Labtop (work): [ ECS G551 Centrino 1400MHz ][ 512MB PC2700 ECC ][ M9 Radeon9000 64MB ][ 15.1" TFT 1400*1050 ][ 40GB HD ][ DVD/CDRW ][ WiFi@home ][ AC97 5.1 ]
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03-10-2003, 08:57 AM	#8
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	Ok,well im kinda stupid when it comes to be waiting,hehe. Is there any cons if i buy a ATI Radeon made by Saphire or PowerColor,like performance or MHz etc? __________________ Have a good one
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03-10-2003, 09:09 AM	#9
Aster_abx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 65	There is no difference really that I have seen. I don't know 100% on the Power Color one, but last time I saw one reviewed it had the same clock speeds as the Sapphire and ATI (325 core 310 mem). Mine is made by Sapphire I believe, though just looking t the card you have to know what to look for to tell the dif between the ATI and it. Also on Pricewatch.com right now there are a couple of places that state Built by ATI on them for a whole dollar more than the PowerColor one. Though PCPart4less seems to think it is ok to state "New ATI" in the Pricewatch Description then show you a PowerColor card on their web page. Ateck Computers is listing a Built by ATI for $284 + $6 shipping for a bulk version of the card (no spiffy box). I'd say call them before ordering to make sure if it matters to you.
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03-10-2003, 09:18 AM	#10
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	Thanks Aster. __________________ Have a good one
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03-10-2003, 11:58 AM	#11
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	Anyone know the difference between these 2: Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128MB DDR DVI, TV-ut Hydravision and Hercules, 3D Prophet 9700, 128MB DDR, AGP 8X, VGA, DVI-I, TV-Out, Retail __________________ Have a good one
(Offline)

03-10-2003, 12:40 PM	#12
Templar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 338	One comes prolly with some games and bundled software like most retail boxes do. __________________ Here lies one who's name is writ in water. "Keats". Gaming Rig: [ Athlon64 2GHz Alpha Pal8150 ][ MSI K8T Neo ][ 2x512 GEIL Golden Dragon PC3500 ][ Atlantis 9800XT ][ 2x Seagate 160GB SATA + 200GB Maxtor Ext. Firewire ][ SB Audigy 2 with Cambridge THX 500W 5.1 ][ PC Power And Cooling 510W Deluxe ][ TT Xaser 3 alu ][ 22" Mistubishi SuperBright Diamontron ] Labtop (work): [ ECS G551 Centrino 1400MHz ][ 512MB PC2700 ECC ][ M9 Radeon9000 64MB ][ 15.1" TFT 1400*1050 ][ 40GB HD ][ DVD/CDRW ][ WiFi@home ][ AC97 5.1 ]
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03-11-2003, 03:05 AM	#14
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	Thanks guys. Ive been reading about ATI cards now and saw a review of a Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 PRO.It had heatzinks on the memory both on front and rear,also had one on the VPU at the back.This card looked great.Anyone of have it or heard anything about it? __________________ Have a good one
(Offline)

03-11-2003, 04:23 AM	#15
Jonas_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden/Stockholm Posts: 330	Have a look at this card with HW Monitoring. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/g9700pro.html Anyone have this card? __________________ Have a good one
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