Random Shutdowns while in 3D Apps

La_Pieuvre · 03-09-2003, 04:30 PM

Hey everyone,

my friend has been experiencing random shutdowns while he was running 3D progs (AutoCAD, GTA 3, other Direct3D games, ...) His computer will just turn off after a few mins within the programs.

Here is his setup:

XP 2000+
Asus A7V333 mobo (with latest VIA driver package)
512 Mb PC2100 DDR
ATI 9700 Radeon (with latest Drivers)
DirectX 9 (although not 100% sure)
400W PSU
Win98 SE

• I don't think it's a temperature problem cause his PC was working fine before. I don't think it's a PSU problem, because like I said it was working fine before.

• I was thinking that it's due to some graphic problem since it only happens in 3D apps. Maybe the drivers, because he seems to have gotten this problem more and more since upgrading the Catalyst Drivers.

• I told him to upgrade to WinXP Pro (which he can get for VERY cheap from the University)

Do you guys have any ideas?

La_Pieuvre · 03-10-2003, 08:47 PM

eisle89 · 03-10-2003, 08:51 PM

Tell him to do a FULL install on a newly formatted HD. Those upgrades just cause probs.

La_Pieuvre · 03-10-2003, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eisle89
Tell him to do a FULL install on a newly formatted HD. Those upgrades just cause probs.

you mean a full re-install of win98SE + drivers and what-not?

if I do the reinstall, should I install in this order:

Format
Win98 SE
AGP 4-in-1
Directx, which version (8.1 or 9)?
Which version of Catalyst (2.5, 3.0 or 3.1) ?
ATI control panel?

otherwise I'll wait for him to get his copy of WinXP Pro and do the same install steps.

Luckily he has an external HD as well so the format shouldn't be a problem.

eisle89 · 03-10-2003, 09:41 PM

That's the order, I'd get all the upgrades for Win98 right after the 4in1's. Maybe I was mistaken in reading your post.
I thought that he had done an upgrade over an exsisting Windows. Yeah, if he can get the XP from school, now's the time to do it. He won't be sorry, just get all the XP drivers for his cards and periph's first.

La_Pieuvre · 03-10-2003, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eisle89
That's the order, but maybe I was mistaken in reading your post.
I thought that he had done an upgrade over an exsisting Windows

No, his pc has been running Win98SE ever since we built it (about 3 months ago)

SupDawg · 03-10-2003, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by La_Pieuvre
Bump

Why dont you run Prime 95's torture test for a few hours. It might not be 3d related- it may be 100% cpu load related.

eisle89 · 03-10-2003, 09:54 PM

OK, you said you didn't think it was temp related because it was "running fine before", before what ?? did you change drivers ?? add a program ??

La_Pieuvre · 03-11-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eisle89
OK, you said you didn't think it was temp related because it was "running fine before", before what ?? did you change drivers ?? add a program ??

Before the new drivers I guess, we haven't added any more hardware.

SupDawg: that's a good idea, I'll do that to see if the cpu can hadnle it.

eisle89 · 03-11-2003, 09:55 PM

The old drivers were removed correctly ?? Antivirus turned off during install ?? Look for patches for those troublesome progs. Maybe you should revert to the older ATI drivers and see if they still work.

Bagged71 · 03-12-2003, 12:02 AM

jsut to note a fresh format with XP install would be best choice of OS for some one thats not heavy into trouble shooting and parts, drivers, etc, as he must not be, sense your helping him with the problems (xp solved all my networking problems, USB device problems among lots of stuff)

shootcraps · 03-12-2003, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by La_Pieuvre
you mean a full re-install of win98SE + drivers and what-not?

if I do the reinstall, should I install in this order:

Format
Win98 SE
AGP 4-in-1
Directx, which version (8.1 or 9)?
Which version of Catalyst (2.5, 3.0 or 3.1) ?
ATI control panel?

otherwise I'll wait for him to get his copy of WinXP Pro and do the same install steps.

Luckily he has an external HD as well so the format shouldn't be a problem.

Bonjour Frenchy. I would suggest the following install order:

Format
Win98 SE
AGP 4-in-1
Catalyst 3.1
ATI control panel and turn FastWrites off - Reboot
DirectX9

This has worked very well for me.

La_Pieuvre · 03-12-2003, 10:03 PM

Well, the pc's been getting worse. The pc will just shutdown after anything from 30 secs to 1 min after loading...So now I'm formating his HDD and going to reinstall everything.

the setup again is A7V333 with XP 2000+ and ATI Radeon 9700

So this is what I'm gonna do:

- Format
- Win98SE
- AGP 4-in-1 (latest version is 4.46...any special recommendations??)
- Catalyst (which one? 3.0 or 3.1?)
- ATI control Panel
- DirectX (9.0? or 8.1?)

I don't know if I should put Cat. 3.0 with directX 8.1, or Cat. 3.1 with DX 9, or Cat. 3.0 with DX 9, etc...

PLEASE give me some advice as to what Catalyst/DirectX combo to use...

Thanks

P.S. I'm not trying to rush anyone but this is URGENT.

shootcraps · 03-13-2003, 02:52 AM

The latest version is sometimes best. Try Cat 3.1 and DX9. I'm running those with no problems.

Halbram · 03-13-2003, 10:36 AM

I am having the Same problem(s)

whenever i start up any directx program (3Dmark2001se & 03) the pc dies after running it for no more than a min or so.

ive been upping the voltages to see if there is something wrong with skimping so to say in the power consumption creating an instability... and still it crashes

my setup

2400Tbred configured to 12/166 (2ghz)
A7V8X bois 1010
vcore 1.825v up from default
graphics V is 1.8v
512 pc2700 corsair xms cl2 voltage set to 2.65v
PSU - (came with case) TurboLink 350w
Win2k with SP3
temps are fine
9700pro with latest drivers
(yes running DX9 also)

03-09-2003, 04:30 PM	#1
La_Pieuvre w00t ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Frenchy in the States (Dallas, TX) Posts: 754	Random Shutdowns while in 3D Apps Hey everyone, my friend has been experiencing random shutdowns while he was running 3D progs (AutoCAD, GTA 3, other Direct3D games, ...) His computer will just turn off after a few mins within the programs. Here is his setup: XP 2000+ Asus A7V333 mobo (with latest VIA driver package) 512 Mb PC2100 DDR ATI 9700 Radeon (with latest Drivers) DirectX 9 (although not 100% sure) 400W PSU Win98 SE • I don't think it's a temperature problem cause his PC was working fine before. I don't think it's a PSU problem, because like I said it was working fine before. • I was thinking that it's due to some graphic problem since it only happens in 3D apps. Maybe the drivers, because he seems to have gotten this problem more and more since upgrading the Catalyst Drivers. • I told him to upgrade to WinXP Pro (which he can get for VERY cheap from the University) Do you guys have any ideas? __________________ • DFI LanParty Pro 875B Mobo • Pentium 4 2.8c w/ HT • Stock Intel HSF • 1Gb DDR PC2100 • GeForce 6800 AGP 128Mb • SB Audigy • Maxtor 30Gb 7200RPM HDD • Seagate 200Gb 7200RPM HDD • WD 120Gb 7200RPM USB 2.0 External HDD • Sony 16X DVD-Rom/CD-RW • LG DVD-Rom • Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D • Antec 400W PSU • WinXP Pro SP2 • SuSE 9.1 Pro • ■■■
(Offline)

03-10-2003, 08:47 PM	#2
La_Pieuvre w00t ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Frenchy in the States (Dallas, TX) Posts: 754	Bump __________________ • DFI LanParty Pro 875B Mobo • Pentium 4 2.8c w/ HT • Stock Intel HSF • 1Gb DDR PC2100 • GeForce 6800 AGP 128Mb • SB Audigy • Maxtor 30Gb 7200RPM HDD • Seagate 200Gb 7200RPM HDD • WD 120Gb 7200RPM USB 2.0 External HDD • Sony 16X DVD-Rom/CD-RW • LG DVD-Rom • Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D • Antec 400W PSU • WinXP Pro SP2 • SuSE 9.1 Pro • ■■■
(Offline)

03-10-2003, 08:51 PM	#3
eisle89 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: El Paso,Texas Posts: 42	Tell him to do a FULL install on a newly formatted HD. Those upgrades just cause probs. __________________ ASUS P4PE /L rev1.03 1005 BIOS 2.4b@3240 Alpha 8942 / TT Smartfan II 1gig mb Mushkin 3200 222 ATI 9500Pro BIOS mod @ 350/305 WD SE 40gig
(Offline)

03-10-2003, 09:41 PM	#5
eisle89 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: El Paso,Texas Posts: 42	That's the order, I'd get all the upgrades for Win98 right after the 4in1's. Maybe I was mistaken in reading your post. I thought that he had done an upgrade over an exsisting Windows. Yeah, if he can get the XP from school, now's the time to do it. He won't be sorry, just get all the XP drivers for his cards and periph's first. __________________ ASUS P4PE /L rev1.03 1005 BIOS 2.4b@3240 Alpha 8942 / TT Smartfan II 1gig mb Mushkin 3200 222 ATI 9500Pro BIOS mod @ 350/305 WD SE 40gig
(Offline)

03-10-2003, 09:54 PM	#8
eisle89 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: El Paso,Texas Posts: 42	OK, you said you didn't think it was temp related because it was "running fine before", before what ?? did you change drivers ?? add a program ?? __________________ ASUS P4PE /L rev1.03 1005 BIOS 2.4b@3240 Alpha 8942 / TT Smartfan II 1gig mb Mushkin 3200 222 ATI 9500Pro BIOS mod @ 350/305 WD SE 40gig
(Offline)

03-11-2003, 09:55 PM	#10
eisle89 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: El Paso,Texas Posts: 42	The old drivers were removed correctly ?? Antivirus turned off during install ?? Look for patches for those troublesome progs. Maybe you should revert to the older ATI drivers and see if they still work. __________________ ASUS P4PE /L rev1.03 1005 BIOS 2.4b@3240 Alpha 8942 / TT Smartfan II 1gig mb Mushkin 3200 222 ATI 9500Pro BIOS mod @ 350/305 WD SE 40gig
(Offline)

03-12-2003, 12:02 AM	#11
Bagged71 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hellville Posts: 608	jsut to note a fresh format with XP install would be best choice of OS for some one thats not heavy into trouble shooting and parts, drivers, etc, as he must not be, sense your helping him with the problems (xp solved all my networking problems, USB device problems among lots of stuff) __________________ Right
(Offline)

03-12-2003, 10:03 PM	#13
La_Pieuvre w00t ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Frenchy in the States (Dallas, TX) Posts: 754	Well, the pc's been getting worse. The pc will just shutdown after anything from 30 secs to 1 min after loading...So now I'm formating his HDD and going to reinstall everything. the setup again is A7V333 with XP 2000+ and ATI Radeon 9700 So this is what I'm gonna do: - Format - Win98SE - AGP 4-in-1 (latest version is 4.46...any special recommendations??) - Catalyst (which one? 3.0 or 3.1?) - ATI control Panel - DirectX (9.0? or 8.1?) I don't know if I should put Cat. 3.0 with directX 8.1, or Cat. 3.1 with DX 9, or Cat. 3.0 with DX 9, etc... PLEASE give me some advice as to what Catalyst/DirectX combo to use... Thanks P.S. I'm not trying to rush anyone but this is URGENT. __________________ • DFI LanParty Pro 875B Mobo • Pentium 4 2.8c w/ HT • Stock Intel HSF • 1Gb DDR PC2100 • GeForce 6800 AGP 128Mb • SB Audigy • Maxtor 30Gb 7200RPM HDD • Seagate 200Gb 7200RPM HDD • WD 120Gb 7200RPM USB 2.0 External HDD • Sony 16X DVD-Rom/CD-RW • LG DVD-Rom • Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D • Antec 400W PSU • WinXP Pro SP2 • SuSE 9.1 Pro • ■■■
(Offline)

03-13-2003, 02:52 AM	#14
shootcraps Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,023	The latest version is sometimes best. Try Cat 3.1 and DX9. I'm running those with no problems. __________________ The big metal container has been delivered and my pc's are here. Doing some mods on the big rig. (P4P800, P4 2.8C, 2 X 512 Mushkin 3500 Level 2 Black, ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, Not one but THREE Raid 0 arrays, Creative SB Audigy2 Platinum, Sparkle 550w psu, Sony DRU500a CD+-RW, Pioneer 106s DVD, Lite-On 52X CDRW, LS-120 120MB floppy drive Wife's PC: Albatron PX845PE PROIIS Silver PCB, P4 2.4B, 512M Geil DDR 433, Gefore MX 200 64MB)
(Offline)

03-13-2003, 10:36 AM	#15
Halbram Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 13	I am having the Same problem(s) whenever i start up any directx program (3Dmark2001se & 03) the pc dies after running it for no more than a min or so. ive been upping the voltages to see if there is something wrong with skimping so to say in the power consumption creating an instability... and still it crashes my setup 2400Tbred configured to 12/166 (2ghz) A7V8X bois 1010 vcore 1.825v up from default graphics V is 1.8v 512 pc2700 corsair xms cl2 voltage set to 2.65v PSU - (came with case) TurboLink 350w Win2k with SP3 temps are fine 9700pro with latest drivers (yes running DX9 also)
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode