ASUS P6T Deluxe (x58/ ICH10R)

[chuckbam]

My CPU-z changes the multiplier rapidly. It is possible CPU-z and coreTemp are being influenced by some of the ASUS utilities you installed.

They are really some junk programs in my opinion. For Example, PCProbe installs at least one TSR called aaCenter.exe Asus aaCenter.exe, can't get rid of it - Windows and writes all over the registry. In the past, my system was crashing as a direct result of something PC Probe changed. I did not know how to properly un-install it at the time.

Before I install any program, I check my system before and after and look what has been added and changed. I try to keep my start up and registry as clean as possible. I don't like needless TSRs and fragmented registry entries

Many computers I work on are choked up with this crap. For Example, Adobe Reader installs a TSR to speed up a pdf open. I surly don't need that help on my system and don't want it loaded in memory when I boot. But, it is not just that program, this happens over and over with almost anything you install. Some even load junk on an un-install. And most leave all kinds of different TSRs and file behind.

I sometimes find a program that needs a "updater", or "downloader" to be loaded to operate. I try to make a fake exe from notepad. Sometimes that works. I think this has turned into a form of Marketing Research.

I use Everest and it runs in a directory from a zip. I really don't like to load any system diagnostics from an .exe. But, I needed to find out if my Everest was accurate. I believe PC Probe and Ai Suite read directly from the bios (could be wrong but I don't think so.) So I did a restore point, check Everest against their readings for a few day in different testing conditions and setting. I then un-installed them and after, ran that restore point. (look at the dates of those utilities files)

Last, this board has Winbond W83667HG. CoreTemp may not be reading that correctly. My Everest was a 1:1 match with both Asus utilities. It may be reading directly from the bios. CPU-z identifies that Winbond, but there is a variance from the other 3 programs. Hardware Monitor is very different in the voltages. It reports my memory V at over 1.68Vs.

[johnrr6]

Agreed----all these different utilities report differently.....a conundrum.....

I gave up fighting the TSRs.....losing battle....

With this i7 and 12 gigs, four cores and 8 threads-----I don't really care any more as the horsepower of the rigs nowadays far exceeds the little requirements of most of those stupid TSRs.....

Some are still a pain though----I agree....Nero Home is the perfect example as well as the useless Adobe "helper" you pointed out....

Same thing for the multitude of Windows "Services"....probably 50% of which the common user just plain never needs----but Microsoft has built eveything but the kitchen sink into it's OS so it automatically can work for ANYONE----even that 1 out of 10,000 corporate user with a special VPN connection through a multitude of firewalls......

I used to "tune" Vista and XP------just to disable all the junk I never used.....

I don't even bother any more.... all I do is stop the Sidebar, disable UAC and stop the Security Center from bugging me that I don't have UAC turned on any more......

And with patching and all the additional horsepower----Vista 64 bit Ultimate just zips anyway!!!

Very snappy!!!

And fortunately-----Windows 7 seems to optomise even better and cuts back on services to only ones you actually need....

My bet is that Windows 7 will absolutely fly on these new i7 rigs....even with EVERYTHING set to default.....

[johnrr6]

Dropped my BCLK back to 195 (which lowered my overclock to 3.5)

But my temps at load are much better and my machine will pass Prime on all 8 threads at Blend and small FFTs....

and overall----a cooler and quieter machine-----that meets my stability requirements......

with all the Power Management stuff turned on....

and is stable in the 3dmark runs and other tests.....

Soooooo----I think I'm done for the moment.....

All I need to do is run the Speech Recogniton portion and set that up to my voice......(in Vista----it is actually VERY good----and it's built-in) And i want to play a bit with the Asus ExpressGate feature and see what that is all about....

One Question?? Are you on the 1102 BIOS??----and does Intel Turbo and Intel Speedstep appear on your AI Tweak page in the BIOS.....

Both entries are gone for me in 1102----at least when I have AI Tweak set to "Manual".

[johnrr6]

One other comment.....

I think your Noctua cooler is just......

better......than my Vigoor....

And that is why your temps are a shade better overall....

It boils down to that simplicity in the end.....

[shaihulud]

Yes, it can be very confusing and that as to why I mentioned that the only way to measure your voltage, truly close enough, is through a multimeter. I am trusting CPUz more, than other clock measures and volt readers. One reason is that an app from Intel measured the clock as the same as CPUz. Core temp always seems to be off, but it is noted that the application is not fully compliant for the Core i7. It does follow the spec by Intel to measure temps though.

As for the old terminate and stay residents, they are actually not such. I do believe in proper installation of software just as much as hardware. I manually do everything, no need for most of the autonomous part of the updaters. I just configure for manual. Although, Apple irritates me and Google even, because I either cannot have a service not load or update manually. But Windows Services 99.9% of them should never be touched. A lot of misconstrued tweaks have created this fallacious argument for the better that does not exist. Damn placebo effects.

John, do not forget to change the ASPM setting for PCIe in the advanced power management configuration for your profile. I don't use it, and only saw an annoying delay in rendering a graphic at the time it was reestablish links when enabled.

I cant remember what you inquiry about,but I do remember that there are a couple redundant settings under CPU and something else. This is also with the latest BIOS. Note, I always set any automatic overclock to manual, but still remember the redundant settings in other menus.

[johnrr6]

Originally Posted by shaihulud

As for the old terminate and stay residents, they are actually not such. I do believe in proper installation of software just as much as hardware. I manually do everything, no need for most of the autonomous part of the updaters. I just configure for manual. Although, Apple irritates me and Google even, because I either cannot have a service not load or update manually. But Windows Services 99.9% of them should never be touched. A lot of misconstrued tweaks have created this fallacious argument for the better that does not exist. Damn placebo effects.

John, do not forget to change the ASPM setting for PCIe in the advanced power management configuration for your profile. I don't use it, and only saw an annoying delay in rendering a graphic at the time it was reestablish links when enabled.

Thanks Shal----I will check out that ASPM setting----and I agree----I don't tweak much anymore-----I jst basically "load it and run it".

simpler----easier----and I basically see no change in performance either way...

[shaihulud]

I just took a look and what you are talking about is the exact redundant settings I mentioned. As you know my setting for the AI overclock tuner is at manual. However, both do show under AI tweaker and CPU configuration.

[johnrr6]

Shal----what BIOS are you running???

[shaihulud]

1102

[johnrr6]

Are you running the the default multi of 20x???

This is crazy because I'm on the same BIOS as you-----and those two settings have disappeared.

Maybe it's because I changed to a Multi of 18x

I'll take some Pics when I get home tonight of the BIOS Screens and post them.....

Strange.....

And the CPU does not show that it SpeedSteps in CPU-Z----it stays at the overclock....

But in AiSuite----it clearly DOES show that it SpeedSteps as it scales down to 2.3 and 12x Multi----and temps drop a bit after it scales down------so I actually think SpeedStep is working

Very Strange----in the previous BIOS----The CPU clearly SpeedStepped in CPU-Z----but I was running the default Multi of 20x when I was using those BIOS

[shaihulud]

I have a 940, so me default is just a little higher. Almost everything is on auto. Vdroop is on disable as per Intel spec, the higher C states are enable with the variables of them on auto, and virtualization at the chipset level (vt-d) is enable. There are some other settings such as ACPI 2.0 are enable, and S3 enable not on auto. I think that is all.

But to answer your question my multi is what is should when in turbo or at idle, as far as I recall.

[johnrr6]

Chuck----Shal----big problems with Seagate Drive's Firmware-----many known cases of bricked drives----all of a sudden on bootup....

Seagate released a fix....

Only to find their fix bricked even more drives.....total PR disaster....

Supposedly the final firmware fix is out.

If either of you have Seagates (and Chuck I believe you do)----suggest you take a look at this thread I started:

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/f24/se...re-114547.html

unbelieveable.....

[johnrr6]

The case of the missing BIOS Options....

SOLVED!!!

When you have ANY other Multi other than AUTO set in AI Tweak....

The two options of Intel SpeedStep Technology and Intel Turbo Technology both disappear in the AI Tweak page and the Advanced>>CPU Configuration page----no longer available...

At Auto----CPU-Z shows the CPU SpeedStepping like crazy---while AI Suite shows it SpeedStepping----but at a MUCH slower rate......

I guess that AUTO multi----truly means "automatic" ----and not set to 20 which is the default Multi-----because when I set it to 20----the settings were STILL not available.....

Interesting.....

I disabled Intel Turbo as it was totally messing up my 3.6 overclock-----shooting the CPU as high as 3.76 and causing crashes

I think Turbo is more meant for guys who DON'T overclock anyway.....

[chuckbam]

Originally Posted by johnrr6

The case of the missing BIOS Options....

SOLVED!!!

When you have ANY other Multi other than AUTO set in AI Tweak....

The two options of Intel SpeedStep Technology and Intel Turbo Technology both disappear in the AI Tweak page and the Advanced>>CPU Configuration page----no longer available...

At Auto----CPU-Z shows the CPU SpeedStepping like crazy---while AI Suite shows it SpeedStepping----but at a MUCH slower rate......

I guess that AUTO multi----truly means "automatic" ----and not set to 20 which is the default Multi-----because when I set it to 20----the settings were STILL not available.....

Interesting.....

I disabled Intel Turbo as it was totally messing up my 3.6 overclock-----shooting the CPU as high as 3.76 and causing crashes

I think Turbo is more meant for guys who DON'T overclock anyway.....

"I guess that AUTO multi----truly means "automatic" " interesting-

Been away for a while. I changed back to bios 1102 a few days before my last reboot over 4 days ago. I wrote that ASUS tech again this week. He never replied back.

Next, I will write the sites that did the reviews and ask them why they did not report the memory conflict.

System running great!

[shaihulud]

Because, they do not really report. When I had the Gigabyte motherboard, the ferrite chokes squealed some. When I exchanged it for another the next one was very audible. I spoke to Kyle Bennet of HardOCP and his response was "motherboards talk to me all the time." I said this is unacceptable and needs to be reported. But everyone's attitude was that it was acceptable. For a motherboard whose electrical properties were supposed to be superior I think not! I was not alone, and it sounded like this: YouTube - MadGigabyteUser's Channel

The P6T deluxe does it too, but is not as audible as those videos. I have superior hearing, and it has been tested as superior hearing not too long ago. I had to make my system a little more noisy to drown the occasional vibration of the chokes.

The conflict may not necessarily be a conflict. I have seen this a many a times with many different boards and oddly enough it does not compromise the integrity. I prefer a perfect system, but unfortunately that is not going to happen in that context. Technically, my system is perfect except for that one memory conflict and a little vibration.