Need some info on ADSL!...

**SubZero** · 05-15-2001, 08:24 AM

I'm thinking of finally getting a ADSL connection...

Overhere most users are still on dial-up... I checked around for american providers to see if it's about the same as I'm getting. I saw Earthlink offers a 1.5 Mbit/s (down) and 256 Kbit/s (up) connection..

I'm thinking about getting a USB modem with 1024Kbit/s downstream and 256Kbit/s upstream... Is it any good??

I saw Earthlink offers a 1.5 Mbit/s (down) and 256 Kbit/s (up) connection..

I figured since I'm coming from a 56k6 dial-up everything would be better but I need some advice from current ADSL users.. I think I'm going to pay around $60 a month for it but that's pretty normal around here....

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Yoda_abx · 05-15-2001, 08:31 AM

Get the ethernet modem and go for the fastest speed you can find. Because you will get use to it & want more, even though it's faster than what you already have

cryogen_abx · 05-15-2001, 09:16 AM

go for the speed speed speed!
tom is right,. once you get used to it, u r in trouble..hehehe
i will (cross me fingers) NEVER use a modem again....
it spoils you horribly

when i had adsl i loved it.got 5mbit down, 684 up

my current cable connect is comparable, but i can't remember the specs......
cryogen

***Ozzie*** · 05-15-2001, 09:20 AM

You won't BELIEVE the difference...you'll be spoiled forever.
I don't think I could ever go back to dial-up.

bajo · 05-15-2001, 09:23 AM

Ethernet modem works for me, too - local Jump.net provider is good enough, $34.99/mo. You're paying way too much - I know that phone bills, in general, suck big time in Europe. (One more reason to come to good ol' USofA..hehe..)
So, you may as well go with the fastest line available for your area...

Bajo.

bajo · 05-15-2001, 09:26 AM

Sure you can go back to dialup, Ozzie - if your DSL goes down, that is...hehehehehe..!!

Bajo.

**SubZero** · 05-15-2001, 09:32 AM

Funny I should ask this question now. I have only 1 option for ADSL thru 1 provider. It seems politics are preventing our little town from connecting to the rest of the world. They figure since it's the only provider it would monopolize the market!! Go Figure..

This afternoon I spoke to some people from that same provider which happenend to be on our site (company). They said it suxx big-time and advised me to wait for cable which may be more influenced by the number of people on-line but will get a minimum bandwidth that can be compared to ADSL.. I don't know.

Thinking of it, 1024/256 doesn't sound that impressive.. Not for $60 a month!

Cryogen, stop babbling will you... I'm allready slobbering, 5mbit down/684 up.. hehe

Bajo: Well, I'm keeping that imigration thing in the back of my head until there's a nice job for me overthere. Maybe in the international HQ of our company which is in the US.

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Originally posted by cryogen
go for the speed speed speed!
tom is right,. once you get used to it, u r in trouble..hehehe
i will (cross me fingers) NEVER use a modem again....
it spoils you horribly when i had adsl i loved it.got 5mbit down, 684 up
my current cable connect is comparable, but i can't remember the specs......
cryogen

cryogen_abx · 05-15-2001, 09:32 AM

just hearing modem dial up screeches gives me the shivers nowadays

cryogen

**SubZero** · 05-15-2001, 09:33 AM

Did I mention I hate my dial-up!!

***Ozzie*** · 05-15-2001, 09:33 AM

I have cable...if it goes out they have dial-up as a back up. I don't bother - I couldn't stand it.

My brother-in-law still has dial-up and when I work on his 'puter I swear it's like pulling teeth it's so slow.

**SubZero** · 05-15-2001, 09:37 AM

Agghhh.. shut up will you!

hehe.

I'm speech... ehhh.. teethless then.

cryogen_abx · 05-15-2001, 09:38 AM

me on cable now too....but i dont believe they have a back up hehe
the few times they went down, so did i

luckily it rarely happens that they go down.......
sz - [quote]of it, 1024/256 doesn't sound that impressive.. Not for $60 a month!

Cryogen, stop babbling will you... I'm allready slobbering, 5mbit down/684 up.. hehe [/qoute]

sooo sorry

hehe i am kinda lucky here, we have an adsl and cable provider, both about the same speed, and only about $50CDN a month

cryogen

Gareth · 05-15-2001, 09:40 AM

It depends on what kind of protocol they use as well SZ. Some ISPs (like mine) use PPPoE. In this case, there is PPPoE Header loss (most cases up to 13% of ur speed) ISPs use this as its easier to implement and stealing of IPs (Yes dynamic) are harder. If ur ISP does uses this, they'll probably use a shareware program like EnterNet 2 establish the "dialup". I'd suggest u try http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~normanb/ instead. Max MTU is 1492 in this case.

Besides this, u can have PPPoA (same as PPPoE cept its ATM not Ethernet). Alternatively CIP/RFC 1577 i think(termed "always on) is used. With this, u have a constant connection which doesn't need a "dialup". There is no header loss (so u get ur full 1.5Mb/s, line conditions count as well) and connections r made as simple as "ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew) Most of the time, IPs are static (do not change)
Max MTU can be 1500.

***Ozzie*** · 05-15-2001, 09:46 AM

If it makes you feel better - my cable is the only thing available here besides dial-up.
I have no alternatives - the rates reflect the lack of competition.

Gareth · 05-15-2001, 09:51 AM

Also USB is a big no no. Go for an external modem which hooks up to ur ethernet card. Some ISPs say OK and give u a USB Ethernet device. This is lame as well so insist on an ethernet PCI card if u dont have one already. No one uses internal DSL modems anymore so I dont think u need 2 worry bout those.

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cryogen_abx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Halifax N.S Canada Posts: 1,350	go for the speed speed speed! tom is right,. once you get used to it, u r in trouble..hehehe i will (cross me fingers) NEVER use a modem again.... it spoils you horribly when i had adsl i loved it.got 5mbit down, 684 up my current cable connect is comparable, but i can't remember the specs...... cryogen __________________ umm nope
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,274	Ditto Ethernet modem works for me, too - local Jump.net provider is good enough, $34.99/mo. You're paying way too much - I know that phone bills, in general, suck big time in Europe. (One more reason to come to good ol' USofA..hehe..) So, you may as well go with the fastest line available for your area... Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,274	Dial up...a kid's toy...!! Sure you can go back to dialup, Ozzie - if your DSL goes down, that is...hehehehehe..!! Bajo. __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x500GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6002_SP2
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cryogen_abx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Halifax N.S Canada Posts: 1,350	me on cable now too....but i dont believe they have a back up hehe the few times they went down, so did i luckily it rarely happens that they go down....... sz - [quote]of it, 1024/256 doesn't sound that impressive.. Not for $60 a month! Cryogen, stop babbling will you... I'm allready slobbering, 5mbit down/684 up.. hehe [/qoute] sooo sorry hehe i am kinda lucky here, we have an adsl and cable provider, both about the same speed, and only about $50CDN a month cryogen __________________ umm nope
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05-15-2001, 09:40 AM	#13
Gareth Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 235	It depends on what kind of protocol they use as well SZ. Some ISPs (like mine) use PPPoE. In this case, there is PPPoE Header loss (most cases up to 13% of ur speed) ISPs use this as its easier to implement and stealing of IPs (Yes dynamic) are harder. If ur ISP does uses this, they'll probably use a shareware program like EnterNet 2 establish the "dialup". I'd suggest u try http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~normanb/ instead. Max MTU is 1492 in this case. Besides this, u can have PPPoA (same as PPPoE cept its ATM not Ethernet). Alternatively CIP/RFC 1577 i think(termed "always on) is used. With this, u have a constant connection which doesn't need a "dialup". There is no header loss (so u get ur full 1.5Mb/s, line conditions count as well) and connections r made as simple as "ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew) Most of the time, IPs are static (do not change) Max MTU can be 1500. __________________ We all fall. It's just how fast we recover.
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*Ozzie* CRS Designee Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Apple Valley, MN Posts: 10,509	If it makes you feel better - my cable is the only thing available here besides dial-up. I have no alternatives - the rates reflect the lack of competition. __________________ Have you supported your forum today? Change is the only constant in life
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05-15-2001, 09:51 AM	#15
Gareth Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 235	Also USB is a big no no. Go for an external modem which hooks up to ur ethernet card. Some ISPs say OK and give u a USB Ethernet device. This is lame as well so insist on an ethernet PCI card if u dont have one already. No one uses internal DSL modems anymore so I dont think u need 2 worry bout those. __________________ We all fall. It's just how fast we recover.
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