Is it really worth to pay a double price to get 10MHz more?

[Uzito]

I really wonder, what is the point in paying almost a double price for so called high quality brand like Mushkin? Is the difference between 150 and 160 MHz worth the money you pay?
In my Cusl2-C I've installed 1 double sided 256MB PC-133 Micron module + 2 single sided 128MB PC-133 NCP modules and they work fine on 150MHz clock. Even that it is far beyound 815EP specification, my systems works perfectly and it's for the price of one 256MB Mushkin memory module.

[digi_abx]

I guess you can't measure the satisfaction of an overclocker in terms of money.
I'm not one myself, but I can fully understand it, it's a hobby where the chalenge and pleasure are derived from a couple of MHz more and a couple of degrees less.

Actually you shoud know better, you're running yours at 150 and I'm perfectly happy at 133.

In terms of money I'm cheaper off with a PIII 1GHz + 512Mhz Infenion than someone with PIII 800eb@1000 +512 MHz Mushkin + some kickass-noisy cooling rig.

Only that's not what it's all about, is it ?
I know I'm missing all the excitement

digi
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[Mushkin Rules]

Uzito, your SDRAM setting is not beyond I815EP configuration. You are running 512MB with total 4 banks. In fact, you are running with full compatible configuration that I815EP can handle. Have you tried eunning @150 with 2-2-2 7/9, and can your memory handle it? If not you should get better memories like Mushkin or Crucial, instead of generic Micron modules. The design & 6 layer pcb that is used will enhanced stability. You cannot measure this with money. I'll be better off, in terms of money, with 1 stick Crucial 256MB. But I believe I cannot go @166 and running @1 GHz with that stick. It's people's choice. Offcourse If you don't like to overclock, you'll be enough running with some generic SDRAM out there.

[Mushkin Rules]

Uzito, I believe this is your word : Now after a totral reinstallation and reconfiguration Win2K only hangs sometimes after showing shutdown picture (probably the a soundcard driver causes this) .

Found in older thread: http://www.cusl2c.com/vbulletin/show...?threadid=2517

So you once had a problem with generic Micron modules. So don't ask about how well Mushkin & other higher quality of SDRAM can give you. STABILITY. You would less likely experience that hang in your system, if you had installed Mushkin, Crucial, Corsair or other high quality brands of SDRAM. So, Happy Easter.

[Edited by Mushkin Rules on 04-14-2001 at 02:49 PM]

[patentman]

That score is taken with non optimized operating system,so I could get about 10 points more.
Fsb:160 CAS 2
To be fair,that fsb/cas isn`t 100% stable.

It`s all about speed-money comes second.
Else I had bought a used Celeron,cheapy mobo and get crapped all the way.
I think memory speed worths more the money than anything else because is directly related to overall performance and stability of almost any system component.

[patentman]

Originally posted by digi
[b]I guess you can't measure the satisfaction of an overclocker in terms of money.
I'm not one myself, but I can fully understand it, it's a hobby where the chalenge and pleasure are derived from a couple of MHz more and a couple of degrees less.

In terms of money I'm cheaper off with a PIII 1GHz + 512Mhz Infenion than someone with PIII 800eb@1000 +512 MHz Mushkin + some kickass-noisy cooling rig.

Hey Digi.You couldn`t find better words to describe an overclocker`s enthusiasm(I`m Greek,sorry poor English)

But for the second part,I have to add something:
Yes maybe is cheaper and worry free-I agree,but has no fun and is much slower than the other stuff to @900(easy doing).
As you said it`s all about most of what you need and secondary if you can afford

[Mushkin Rules]

I agree with patentman. It`s all about speed - money comes second.

Uzito, considering that your current memory brings you problems initially and that the setting to your system is like this: RAM: 2*128MB 1-sided NCP PC-133 (works on 150) + 1*256MB 2-sided Micron PC-133 (I switched it to 100MHz with SDRAm driving mode set to "Strong") And at the same time you ask about this: Is it really worth to pay a double price to get 10MHz more? I don't even dare to ask that question if I were you, lol...

Then you know the answer already. To be honest, the answer to your question is YES, IT"S REALLY WORTH FOR SPEED & STABILITY.

Otherwise, when setting the system from the very beginning, I would buy second/used or cheap mobo, use crap SDRAM, use the stock Intel HSF, and even use Pentium I or II. After that I get Crapy system with BSOD once in a while & slow performances. I have tried 5 different SDRAM modules, and my Samsung chips can get fsb@150 CAS 3-3-3 7/9, and yet I am willing to get higher quality of SDRAM. CPU is your heart, and memory is your brain. They are all directly related and affect each other to bring overall performance and stability of almost any system component.

[digi_abx]

Yasou Patentman,

I'm Dutch but I visited your lovely country many times. Your English is fine.
I think we all agree here that the memory is extremely important for the system and it's great to have the best quality possible.
If money was no object at all I think everyone would just buy the fastest and best of everything. But unfortunately most of us do have to consider the budjet and make decisions accordingly.

And looking at your benchmarks I know if money was no object to me I would go and build a P4 system first thing tuesday...

Kalinichta,

digi
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[Edited by digi on 04-14-2001 at 05:32 PM]

[patentman]

Thanks for the good words.
Unfortunately the today`s P4 systems will die in less than one year and except for the memory benchmark difference they don`t are much better in performance than a typical PIII 1Ghz/PC133 CL2 system.That guys got messed up when AMD did its homework.
So if you have a CUSL2(C) already,don`t upgrade to p4 but upgrade to better memory.Wait and get that P4/AMD stuff when get matture.
PS.I`m a overclocker not a hardware tester.I had "tested"(bought) that time`s new crap called VIA Apollo Pro133A(693A),which was the new generation that suppoted PC133 and other features,all good in specs,when there wasn`t out the i815E and had only troubles and incredible slow speed!

[patentman]

By the way,your greek greetings,Digi, are fine!
I wish I knew more languages.
Patentman=patentiaris in Greek.

[Mushkin Rules]

Once again, I have to agree with my Greekman, Patentman,

To get 800EB to 900 was an easy job. The challenge is to get it to 1 GHz. Offcourse, it's all anyone's preferences, but I am too obsessed with Speed & Stability. I will hold to this CUSL2 as long as I can until P4 proves a better system. I would wait for P4 mobo that support DDR someday. This RAMBUS is such a greedy beast and it will die naturally, I think. Until that happens (mobo that support DDR & more matured P4), I will never invest in such a system. In the meantime, probably I will get an AMD with Abit KT7A Raid or with any of those DDR mobo. The way you can unlock the multiplier in AMD is much interest me more. Have to get me another excellent DDR SDRAM, either Mushkin or Crucial.

Read a good discussion here about P4 & RAMBUS: http://www.cusl2c.com/vbulletin/show...8023#post18023