For Those of You waiting for WinXP...Interesting Reading!

bobmitch · 06-04-2001, 09:54 AM

Read this the other day...after thinking about it...Could be the beginning of something completely different...

http://hardware.earthweb.com/hsos/ar...774801,00.html

Doesn't instill confidence in me...

Bob

bajo · 06-04-2001, 10:12 AM

Who needs more crap - Also check the price on Office XP...forget about it

cryogen_abx · 06-04-2001, 10:27 AM

amen bajo!
XtraPercentegeProfit for M$ is all i see.....

no need for this yet....
cryogen

tamarelle · 06-04-2001, 11:27 AM

Hey Budz

That article was interesting but also contained a lot of factual errors. I have Windows XP, and its great (IMO). I have changed my configuration several times, including a change of RAM, the movement of all the components, the removal of Hollywood Plus, and a new video card, and so far I haven't had to call Microsoft ONCE.

This guy has clearly NOT obtained his information from the Newsgroups that are devoted to Windows XP.

Cheers

Tam

BladeRunner_abx · 06-04-2001, 12:22 PM

Oh your telling me that people haven't bothered actually testing Product Activation.
I still see stories titled 'Replace your keyboard using WinXP and you'll have to contact MS'
That is just utter BS.
You would have to do a major and I mean major amount of hardware upgrades to force re-activation.
Example:
Work PC, running WinXP Beta.
Last Friday I made the following changes:
ATI XPert 8MB AGP card out, Matrox G450 AGP card in.
PIII 800 CPU out, PIII 1Ghz CPU in.
2x 128MB DIMM's out, 2x 256MB DIMM's in.

Suprise, suprise I didn't have to re-activate my OS.

cryogen_abx · 06-04-2001, 02:37 PM

Tam, Bladerunner - you guys are both right.
a lot of the biggest issues ppl, and i, had with XP have been proven wrong or slightly incorrect...
a lot of ppl jumped onto the BASH M$ train because of a few rumours about XP...
i still don't like it too much, am perfectly happy with 2K, but time may prove me a liar still

glad you guys like it, and really glad the hardware thing isnt as bad as it was originally made out to be...

cryogen

tamarelle · 06-04-2001, 02:40 PM

Hi Cryogen

Gee, I think I sounded terribly know-it-all.

I didn't mean to disregard the points that others made before me.

I agree with you about some of the many points about Microsoft and their never ending drive toward subscription based software so we will be in hock to them for the rest of our lives.

I just wish Linux was easier to understand.

Tam

pointreyes · 06-04-2001, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tamarelle

I just wish Linux was easier to understand.

Tam

If you really want to learn Linux then I suggest waiting for SuSE 7.2 (should be coming out in a full weeks). Get the $30 Personal Edition. You will get 3 CDs (yes, that's right - it takes 3 CDs of software or about 2.5 Gig of installation space but remember you get much more than you get with a Windows install). Please note that I'm not bashing MS here, it is simply the truth that you get much more - like a office suite, CD burning tools (not just one), programming languages, anyway the list is long. Anyway, the really good thing about SuSE Personal Edition is that you get three books! One for installation (short book), one for understanding Linux applications, and another for understanding SuSE. You also get free support for installation questions for, I believe, 90 days.

SuSE should see your video card without a problem and even your USB printer. I'm still amazed at how well put together the SuSE installation is.

TweakHound · 06-04-2001, 06:39 PM

I went to the Office XP launch this weekend. Looks to be a good product but.......
while it does offer advantages over Office 2000, it sure as hell ain't worth the $329-$500 (US), they want for it.

My recommendation:
If you have 2000 dont bother.
If you have 97 or dont have Office at all, AND you need a productivity suite go for it.
Otherwise, there are lots of less expensive options for most people.

I will recieve the "official" "unofficial" release of WinXP by the end of the month.

bobmitch · 06-05-2001, 01:07 AM

Not trying to bash Micro$oft at all. I do have lots of products of theirs...starting with WinME...Office 2000...Encarta...Streets and Trips and countless others. My productivity is based in MS...considering that all the Office programs are what I use for Newsletters, fliers, advertisments and more. I also use Photoshop and other high end graphics stuff as well. What I don't buy into is the upgrade scheme that MS is trying to force down corporate's throat at this point...Upgrade now...or pay more later...I really think that MS better rethink the attitude or they may pay later. It is my intention to upgrade Windows to Win2000, based on numerous posters here sharing the experience. With that...my need for XP is really nill...as with Office XP. I am tired of chasing the incremental upgrade train...and XP will be that.

Bob

tomcrown · 06-06-2001, 07:50 PM

tHE BETA ISSUSE OF XP DOES NOT HAVE THE LINSCENSE LIMATION MENTIONED IN THE AIRTCLE.

tHE REAL WORLD COPY OF XP WILL!!!!!

ALSO THE BETA WILL BECOME NON-WORKING AFTER THE REAL XP IS REALASE SO DONT BASE ANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE AIRTCLE IS FALSE, BILL GATES HAS ALSO STATED THAT THE XP SYSTME CNNOT BE TRANSFERRED BETWEEN COMPUTERS.

HOPEFULLY CUSTOMERS COMPLIANT AND LACK OF SELLS OVER THIS MAKE GATES RICH SCHEME FAILS, THAT XP WILL GO BACK TO BEING AN OPEN APPLICATION FOR THE USER WHO BOUGHT THE SOFTWARE.

Miles · 06-07-2001, 08:15 AM

Thanks tomcrown, I was waiting for someone to include that little tidbit.

tamarelle · 06-07-2001, 08:48 AM

Hi Tomcrown

Do you have a beta copy of XP? I use it and you must activate it before 15 days have passed. The product activation features are being beta tested as well. It would make no sense for Microsoft to send out its Betas and RC1 and RC2 with the product activation features deactivated since they are trying to test and see whether this feature WORKS or not.

I could be worng. But I have to say that it seems to me that some people are over-reacting at this point

Anyway, thanks for your input

Tam

simbatran · 06-08-2001, 09:55 AM

Win XP is something that Microsoft must do. Technologies is moving forward and its old Windows including Me, Y2K, 98, NT is outdated. They all based on a very old firmware spec that so rigid that it prevents architecture revolution. 64bit CPUs will be here soon and one day home PC will have them too. It's not just the 64 Bit CPU that counts, there is a whole new architecture standard designed by many companies like Intel, Compaq, HP, IBM, Phoenix, Dell, Toshiba, ... that comes with it and Microsoft just has to adopt and follow if they want to survive. They just give it a new name.

It it is full of bugs, bash it but don't bash it just because it is another product. There is a new industry standard and architecture that wrapped in it. Give it some time to perfect. Anything that starts out has problems.

Imagine, you never have to turn off your computer, computers (home or servers) use a lot less energy than today, its power consumption is so low that you can stack a hundred computers together and the room temp does not go up much, plugging a card or replace a DIMM while browsing the Web, .....

By the way, I do not work for them.

tamarelle · 06-08-2001, 10:30 AM

Good post Simbatran and I agree. Long live Microsoft! LOL

06-04-2001, 09:54 AM	#1
bobmitch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: TX Posts: 859	For Those of You waiting for WinXP...Interesting Reading! Read this the other day...after thinking about it...Could be the beginning of something completely different... http://hardware.earthweb.com/hsos/ar...774801,00.html Doesn't instill confidence in me... Bob
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06-04-2001, 10:12 AM	#2
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06-04-2001, 10:27 AM	#3
cryogen_abx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Halifax N.S Canada Posts: 1,350	amen bajo! XtraPercentegeProfit for M$ is all i see..... no need for this yet.... cryogen __________________ umm nope
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06-04-2001, 11:27 AM	#4
tamarelle talented amateur Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris, France and Florida Posts: 3,265	Hey Budz That article was interesting but also contained a lot of factual errors. I have Windows XP, and its great (IMO). I have changed my configuration several times, including a change of RAM, the movement of all the components, the removal of Hollywood Plus, and a new video card, and so far I haven't had to call Microsoft ONCE. This guy has clearly NOT obtained his information from the Newsgroups that are devoted to Windows XP. Cheers Tam __________________ Asus P5B Motherboard - Intel Q6600 @ 3.1 ghz ADATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - EVGA 8800 GT PCI - XiFI Platinum - Seagate SATA 320 go, Seagate 320 go - SAMSUNG 18x DL+ Lightscribe DVD and Samsung 20x DL+ Lightscribe DVD - Windows VISTA 64 bit,Server 2003 and Vista Ultimate - Rosewill 19" LCD R912E monitor
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06-04-2001, 12:22 PM	#5
BladeRunner_abx Gigabyte Defector Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,042	Oh your telling me that people haven't bothered actually testing Product Activation. I still see stories titled 'Replace your keyboard using WinXP and you'll have to contact MS' That is just utter BS. You would have to do a major and I mean major amount of hardware upgrades to force re-activation. Example: Work PC, running WinXP Beta. Last Friday I made the following changes: ATI XPert 8MB AGP card out, Matrox G450 AGP card in. PIII 800 CPU out, PIII 1Ghz CPU in. 2x 128MB DIMM's out, 2x 256MB DIMM's in. Suprise, suprise I didn't have to re-activate my OS.
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06-04-2001, 02:37 PM	#6
cryogen_abx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Halifax N.S Canada Posts: 1,350	Tam, Bladerunner - you guys are both right. a lot of the biggest issues ppl, and i, had with XP have been proven wrong or slightly incorrect... a lot of ppl jumped onto the BASH M$ train because of a few rumours about XP... i still don't like it too much, am perfectly happy with 2K, but time may prove me a liar still glad you guys like it, and really glad the hardware thing isnt as bad as it was originally made out to be... cryogen __________________ umm nope
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06-04-2001, 02:40 PM	#7
tamarelle talented amateur Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris, France and Florida Posts: 3,265	Hi Cryogen Gee, I think I sounded terribly know-it-all. I didn't mean to disregard the points that others made before me. I agree with you about some of the many points about Microsoft and their never ending drive toward subscription based software so we will be in hock to them for the rest of our lives. I just wish Linux was easier to understand. Tam __________________ Asus P5B Motherboard - Intel Q6600 @ 3.1 ghz ADATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - EVGA 8800 GT PCI - XiFI Platinum - Seagate SATA 320 go, Seagate 320 go - SAMSUNG 18x DL+ Lightscribe DVD and Samsung 20x DL+ Lightscribe DVD - Windows VISTA 64 bit,Server 2003 and Vista Ultimate - Rosewill 19" LCD R912E monitor
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06-04-2001, 06:39 PM	#9
TweakHound . Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,669	I went to the Office XP launch this weekend. Looks to be a good product but....... while it does offer advantages over Office 2000, it sure as hell ain't worth the $329-$500 (US), they want for it. My recommendation: If you have 2000 dont bother. If you have 97 or dont have Office at all, AND you need a productivity suite go for it. Otherwise, there are lots of less expensive options for most people. I will recieve the "official" "unofficial" release of WinXP by the end of the month.
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06-05-2001, 01:07 AM	#10
bobmitch Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: TX Posts: 859	Not trying to bash Micro$oft at all. I do have lots of products of theirs...starting with WinME...Office 2000...Encarta...Streets and Trips and countless others. My productivity is based in MS...considering that all the Office programs are what I use for Newsletters, fliers, advertisments and more. I also use Photoshop and other high end graphics stuff as well. What I don't buy into is the upgrade scheme that MS is trying to force down corporate's throat at this point...Upgrade now...or pay more later...I really think that MS better rethink the attitude or they may pay later. It is my intention to upgrade Windows to Win2000, based on numerous posters here sharing the experience. With that...my need for XP is really nill...as with Office XP. I am tired of chasing the incremental upgrade train...and XP will be that. Bob
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06-06-2001, 07:50 PM	#11
tomcrown Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 73	tHE BETA ISSUSE OF XP DOES NOT HAVE THE LINSCENSE LIMATION MENTIONED IN THE AIRTCLE. tHE REAL WORLD COPY OF XP WILL!!!!! ALSO THE BETA WILL BECOME NON-WORKING AFTER THE REAL XP IS REALASE SO DONT BASE ANY ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE AIRTCLE IS FALSE, BILL GATES HAS ALSO STATED THAT THE XP SYSTME CNNOT BE TRANSFERRED BETWEEN COMPUTERS. HOPEFULLY CUSTOMERS COMPLIANT AND LACK OF SELLS OVER THIS MAKE GATES RICH SCHEME FAILS, THAT XP WILL GO BACK TO BEING AN OPEN APPLICATION FOR THE USER WHO BOUGHT THE SOFTWARE.
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06-07-2001, 08:15 AM	#12
Miles Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,558	Thanks tomcrown, I was waiting for someone to include that little tidbit. __________________ Regards, Miles ________________________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 w/ Enzotech Ultra \| ASUS Blitz Formula SE \| 2 x 2Gb Mushkin XP2-6400 DDR-2 \| XFX 8800 GTX XXX\| 2 - Seagate 750GB Barracuda ES \| PCP&C 1KWSR \| Lian Li G70 \| Windows Vista 64-bit Ultimate \| Dell 2407 FPW Monitor
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06-07-2001, 08:48 AM	#13
tamarelle talented amateur Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris, France and Florida Posts: 3,265	Hi Tomcrown Do you have a beta copy of XP? I use it and you must activate it before 15 days have passed. The product activation features are being beta tested as well. It would make no sense for Microsoft to send out its Betas and RC1 and RC2 with the product activation features deactivated since they are trying to test and see whether this feature WORKS or not. I could be worng. But I have to say that it seems to me that some people are over-reacting at this point Anyway, thanks for your input Tam __________________ Asus P5B Motherboard - Intel Q6600 @ 3.1 ghz ADATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - EVGA 8800 GT PCI - XiFI Platinum - Seagate SATA 320 go, Seagate 320 go - SAMSUNG 18x DL+ Lightscribe DVD and Samsung 20x DL+ Lightscribe DVD - Windows VISTA 64 bit,Server 2003 and Vista Ultimate - Rosewill 19" LCD R912E monitor
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06-08-2001, 09:55 AM	#14
simbatran Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 74	Don't bash Win XP Win XP is something that Microsoft must do. Technologies is moving forward and its old Windows including Me, Y2K, 98, NT is outdated. They all based on a very old firmware spec that so rigid that it prevents architecture revolution. 64bit CPUs will be here soon and one day home PC will have them too. It's not just the 64 Bit CPU that counts, there is a whole new architecture standard designed by many companies like Intel, Compaq, HP, IBM, Phoenix, Dell, Toshiba, ... that comes with it and Microsoft just has to adopt and follow if they want to survive. They just give it a new name. It it is full of bugs, bash it but don't bash it just because it is another product. There is a new industry standard and architecture that wrapped in it. Give it some time to perfect. Anything that starts out has problems. Imagine, you never have to turn off your computer, computers (home or servers) use a lot less energy than today, its power consumption is so low that you can stack a hundred computers together and the room temp does not go up much, plugging a card or replace a DIMM while browsing the Web, ..... By the way, I do not work for them.
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06-08-2001, 10:30 AM	#15
tamarelle talented amateur Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris, France and Florida Posts: 3,265	Good post Simbatran and I agree. Long live Microsoft! LOL __________________ Asus P5B Motherboard - Intel Q6600 @ 3.1 ghz ADATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - EVGA 8800 GT PCI - XiFI Platinum - Seagate SATA 320 go, Seagate 320 go - SAMSUNG 18x DL+ Lightscribe DVD and Samsung 20x DL+ Lightscribe DVD - Windows VISTA 64 bit,Server 2003 and Vista Ultimate - Rosewill 19" LCD R912E monitor
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