HowTo: 1024mb of ram Win98/SE/ME - Page 4

Monkey Hanger · 05-09-2003, 03:58 AM

The swap file was dated with that days date.
I didn't need to delete the previous one as it was zero bytes.
And it's 98se.

Can't comment about performance though because it feels the same. I'm not a great believer in benchmarks - I prefer my own "gut" feeling.

Maybe I don't do the kind of things that would have benefited from the change?

ThugsRook · 05-09-2003, 04:05 AM

do some serious multitasking to max out your memory usage while surfing.

winzip a 1400mb file while listening to mp3s.....
just start clicking on stuff, or surf the web, etc.

like you said, its a gut feeling

ThugsRook · 05-09-2003, 07:23 AM

interestingly enough....

some of my tests are actually showing its better to use the swap file

conservative = 3:34
normal = 3:27

i guess we may as well not even bother with that part, so i removed it from the instructions. ill continue to test tho.

you know what i think this is gonna come down to?
the age old question ~ is 1024mb better then 512mb?

(of course we need to limit the vcache for 1024mb)

im gonna finish up these tests using 1024mb and then redo all of the tests using my 2x256mb sticks

(normally and vcache tweaked)

Monkey Hanger · 05-09-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThugsRook
do some serious multitasking to max out your memory usage while surfing.

winzip a 1400mb file while listening to mp3s.....
just start clicking on stuff, or surf the web, etc.

like you said, its a gut feeling

But, doing that is not representative of my useage, so it would not be of benefit.

I have a lot of memory so that I can manipulate photos and video in memory. I don't really go in for multi-tasking. Also, memory is a cost effective way of inproving performance.

Saying that reminds me of one a one time piece of multi-tasking I did. It was formatting a floppy whilst playing Solitaire. Now, that really is the way to get a high score in minimum time !!

ThugsRook · 05-09-2003, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monkey Hanger
But, doing that is not representative of my useage, so it would not be of benefit.

thats the same problem i was having ~ just trying to find a way to even show a difference isnt easy.

youll need to figure your own test based on how you use the computer.

tweaking this vcache setting is mostly for better large file handling, and to keep the vcache from taking over all your ram.

ThugsRook · 05-09-2003, 03:38 PM

ive finished my testing using 512mb of ram.
here's my results in a nutshell:

~ using a normal swap file was better
~ limiting the vcache was better
~ vcache sweet spot was 367000k (358mb 70%)

ill post results for 1024mb of ram a little later.

Monkey Hanger · 05-09-2003, 03:42 PM

Useful stuff TR.

Just goes to show, that there ain't a "one size fits all" in computing.

bajo · 05-09-2003, 04:21 PM

How's the new defragmenter better than the original, 98se ?

ThugsRook · 05-09-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajo
How's the new defragmenter better than the original, 98se ?

mucho faster

make a backup of your current defragger, if youre skeptical

it works really nice ~ all of those updates have been thoroughly tested by me for months. (or in some cases ~ years) they all work perfectly.

bajo · 05-09-2003, 10:57 PM

ThugsRook · 05-10-2003, 12:51 AM

ive finished my testing using 1024mb of ram.
here's my results in a nutshell:

~ using a 1gb min swap file was better
~ limiting the vcache is needed to boot windows
~ vcache sweet spot was 524288k (512mb 50%)

bajo · 05-10-2003, 02:15 AM

" is 1024mb faster then 512mb? no

is 1024mb better then 512mb? no "

good - that's also my mobo's limit

ThugsRook · 05-10-2003, 06:44 AM

hehe ~ dont get me wrong,
im gonna keep using 1024mb of ram and a MaxFileCache=524288 solely because it last alot longer when i deal with large files. (which i do often)

Piddyful · 05-10-2003, 03:08 PM

Unfortunately, I will not be trying this experiment cause my windows ME doesn't seem to be telling me it needs more ram when it comes to performance. My games run great, windows, benching, etc.. I'm going to try not to fix what isn't broke.

I will however, try this new defragger.

ThugsRook · 05-10-2003, 06:11 PM

the defragger is for Win98/SE only.

why?
cause IT IS the WinME defragger

05-09-2003, 03:58 AM	#46
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	The swap file was dated with that days date. I didn't need to delete the previous one as it was zero bytes. And it's 98se. Can't comment about performance though because it feels the same. I'm not a great believer in benchmarks - I prefer my own "gut" feeling. Maybe I don't do the kind of things that would have benefited from the change?
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05-09-2003, 04:05 AM	#47
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	do some serious multitasking to max out your memory usage while surfing. winzip a 1400mb file while listening to mp3s..... just start clicking on stuff, or surf the web, etc. like you said, its a gut feeling __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200 Last edited by ThugsRook : 05-09-2003 at 04:10 AM.
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05-09-2003, 07:23 AM	#48
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	interestingly enough.... some of my tests are actually showing its better to use the swap file conservative = 3:34 normal = 3:27 i guess we may as well not even bother with that part, so i removed it from the instructions. ill continue to test tho. you know what i think this is gonna come down to? the age old question ~ is 1024mb better then 512mb? (of course we need to limit the vcache for 1024mb) im gonna finish up these tests using 1024mb and then redo all of the tests using my 2x256mb sticks (normally and vcache tweaked) __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200
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05-09-2003, 03:38 PM	#51
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	512mb vcache tweaking ive finished my testing using 512mb of ram. here's my results in a nutshell: ~ using a normal swap file was better ~ limiting the vcache was better ~ vcache sweet spot was 367000k (358mb 70%) ill post results for 1024mb of ram a little later. __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200
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05-09-2003, 03:42 PM	#52
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	Useful stuff TR. Just goes to show, that there ain't a "one size fits all" in computing.
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05-09-2003, 04:21 PM	#53
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	just curious ... How's the new defragmenter better than the original, 98se ? __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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05-09-2003, 10:57 PM	#55
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	thanks bud !! __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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05-10-2003, 12:51 AM	#56
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	1024mb vcache tweaking ive finished my testing using 1024mb of ram. here's my results in a nutshell: ~ using a 1gb min swap file was better ~ limiting the vcache is needed to boot windows ~ vcache sweet spot was 524288k (512mb 50%) __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200 Last edited by ThugsRook : 09-12-2003 at 04:03 PM.
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05-10-2003, 02:15 AM	#57
bajo C1eaner Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: TX, USA Posts: 17,198	" is 1024mb faster then 512mb? no is 1024mb better then 512mb? no " good - that's also my mobo's limit __________________ USA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Duke (The Shootist) Gigabyte_AGP_LGA775, PentiumD960_dual core 3.6GHz, SapphireHD3850_AGP512MB_DDR2, WD RaptorX 150GB SATA_clearTop_16MB + Seagate 1TB SATA_32MB, CorsairDominator 2GB 8500_1066MHz, Dell 24" 2408WFP *AGP +DVIx2 +HDMI +DisplayPort +USB2x4, XPproSP3 Inspiron9400 17"uxga CentrinoC2duoT7600_2.39GHz_685MHz 4GB Micron6400@800_675_400MHz GeForceGo7900GSMobileForce_M6Enhanced_256MB 2x200GbSATA_7200rpm_16MBcache Vista hp, VistaP6001SP1
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05-10-2003, 06:44 AM	#58
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	hehe ~ dont get me wrong, im gonna keep using 1024mb of ram and a MaxFileCache=524288 solely because it last alot longer when i deal with large files. (which i do often) __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200
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05-10-2003, 03:08 PM	#59
Piddyful Highly Regulated User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: So. California Posts: 656	Unfortunately, I will not be trying this experiment cause my windows ME doesn't seem to be telling me it needs more ram when it comes to performance. My games run great, windows, benching, etc.. I'm going to try not to fix what isn't broke. I will however, try this new defragger. __________________ Intel P4 2.6C, ASuS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x40gb Maxtor ATA133 RAID 0, 2x256mb Corsair XMS PC3500, HIS 9800pro 128mb, Thermalright slk-800u, Enermax 460w, Antec 1030b, Audigy ES, Logitech Z5300 5.1, & Viewsonic G220f 21"
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05-10-2003, 06:11 PM	#60
ThugsRook Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FLA Posts: 1,832	the defragger is for Win98/SE only. why? cause IT IS the WinME defragger __________________ P4 2.26b @ 3.59ghz KHX3000 2x512mb @ 422ddr c2622 Abit IC7-G @ 211fsb SR-A-A-A-E ThermalRight SP-94 & NB-1C eVGA LE6800 GTU @ 425x1200
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