Win98SE with 2GB RAM - Can not RUN!!!

Kimbo · 10-11-2005, 08:29 AM

ok made a new thread to make it simpler and since the last one deterioted into a benchmarking post. i'll accept a merge anyway....

and also the "fix" does not seem to work..

now to the problem at hand.....

with my last system (3.2ghz, 1GB ram, 875p chipset) i had no trouble installing and running windows 98 se. i didn't even have to edit the system.ini or anything......

now with a 955x chipset and 2gb ram after the 1st install phase (the 1st reboot) it stops in dos and throws up the error that says: "insufficient memory to continue, please clean autoexec.bat / config.sys for more memory" or words to that effect... in any case windows does not go any further, and it shuts down when/if i press any key.
the autoexec/config files are empty so it's not them... i also tried the vcache setting both from this board and microsoft's knowledgebase, which are about the same:

abx:
MaxFileCache=524288

microsoft's:

MinFileCache=51200
MaxFileCache=56320

same error comes up....

trying safe mode brings up the same error.....
trying using the "load things manually" setting eventually brings the same error.....

and remember, it worked fine before with 1gb ram.,..... so it's either the 2gb ram or even the chipset...... (also remember that this is before it even loads the windows gui for the first time)

the bios no longer has the "memory hole at 15-16mb" which i think would have fixed it for this issue...... it would have made the whole system only show 16mb total... i used it on my older systems to do certain things... it was really useful, as usual they remove the good things.. i HATE AMI, i loved award........ come to think i of it, i think AMI didn't have it and, yes, in fact it was the awsome award bios that had THAT perticullar setting....

yes if later down the track (a few days or so from now, with no possitive results) i'll use 1gb (i have 4x512mb ddr2 sticks) to really see if it the ram size..... thing is aren't there some people using win98se with 4gb physicall ram ??? i'm sure some reported doing that, on this very site....

so please help if you can and don't suggest using xp, which i do, but i'd still like win98 too, using multiboot....

thanks....

FB · 10-11-2005, 10:38 AM

that was on an AMD NF4 board with WinXp im pretty sure

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thing is aren't there some people using win98se with 4gb physicall ram ??? i'm sure some reported doing that, on this very site....

Kimbo · 10-11-2005, 11:55 AM

well with xp 4gb is nothing, it would be the mb that would be the problem, anyway that was just a mention, 4gb is not the issue.......

is there anyone that came across this error ?????

John64 · 10-11-2005, 11:57 AM

98SE has a limit of 768MB, i think it will run if you have 1gb, but only use the 768MB. Try a single 512 stick

Kimbo · 10-11-2005, 01:12 PM

that's FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!

i can't even finish the install........
i don't care if while in 98 i "loose" 1.5 gb even..

{read the original post}!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*SRTDodge05* · 10-11-2005, 01:17 PM

lot of the newer computers cant run 9x, plus with a p4 ht it wont install right.

John64 · 10-11-2005, 01:27 PM

why not just get a cheap P3 1Ghz or older athlon to run the things that only run on 98SE, and use this for everything else. A KVM would make it near transperant.

Maybe you could install it using another computer then move it over to this copmuter as 98SE doesnt require Hard Drive Controller Drivers to work.

Kimbo · 10-11-2005, 01:53 PM

i have a second pc that i could use,,,

again, not to sound "rude" but read the 1st post!!!

the ONLY difference is going from 1 to 2 gb ram and a new chipset....

so in other words i installed and used win98se with the following:
p4 3.2ghz WITH HT
asus p4c800-e (i875p)
1gb ddr ram (2x512mb sticks)
74gb raptor (sata)
etc

no problems whatsoever!!! i was a dream system.....

so saying "768mb..." .... is irrelevant!!! i had it with the ABOVE specs.....

i am almost certin because of too many memmory ranges (you know those FFF00000X things) it throws up that error. i will remove 2x512mb and go back to 1gb, that way i'll know for sure if its the AMOUNT of ram!!!! if it works i'll know 2gb is causing the problem. but then i'll still try to troubleshoot it using 2gb ram if i can....

FB · 10-11-2005, 02:07 PM

Quote:

o in other words i installed and used win98se with the following:
p4 3.2ghz WITH HT
asus p4c800-e (i875p)
1gb ddr ram (2x512mb sticks)
74gb raptor (sata)
etc

no problems whatsoever!!! i was a dream system.....

so go back to that.

Quote:

lot of the newer computers cant run 9x, plus with a p4 ht it wont install right.

Joe answered your question

You are trying to use an OS that is 7 years old, hasn't been updated for probably at least 3 years with a brand new chipset. you are bound to run into issues.

and you answered your own question in your first post

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and remember, it worked fine before with 1gb ram.,..... so it's either the 2gb ram or even the chipset...... (also remember that this is before it even loads the windows gui for the first time)

Deer Slayer · 10-11-2005, 03:17 PM

That way you only have 1 gb when installing, and pop the other stick in there when it's done. Windows 98 always gave trouble with a lot of ram, so you're LUCKY to have it run with 1gb! Anyways, I'll give you my one and only idea to get your puter running, and not comment on what I think of running that OS in the first place. It certainly wouldn't be helpful anyways.

Kimbo · 10-11-2005, 04:07 PM

FB, what's HT (we're talking hyper threading, right ?) goto do with it ?
i just said that my 3.2 which has HT worked just fine so it's NOT HT!!!

tsk tsk.... look everybody, how "angry" he gets (you can read it in his tone) because i dare try to use a 7 year old os on modern hardware. or is it on any hardware you have a problem with ? isn't this whole site and the pc "scene" about doing all sorts of things just like this ????

i'll give another general example, which was posted... some said that ultradma is no longer an issue with sata etc.... ok, i "hear" that message, BUT look at the "hdd" post, after a fresh install the os (xp), and everest now show my raptor as using udma 6 (as it should)... so the thing is it was 6 a few months ago, fine, then after months of use and many many installs of software and such i noticed it was udma5, so that's why i asked...... then some said it matters not... the issue at hand was that it's showing as 5 not 6... and NOW after a "fix" it's back to udma6.......

MANOWAR · 10-11-2005, 04:14 PM

Well I hope you get this working and prove me wrong, but I don't think you can do what you are trying to do. Check this out:
1) I believe the 915/925 chipsets were the last ones that officially supported Win98.
2) Even if I am wrong on the above point and the 955 does support win98 you will need to make sure you are using an older version of the Intel chipset software. Version 6.3.0.1007 was the last one to support Win98.
3) The workaround in your first post is almost perfect, but I think it cuts out somewhere between 1.2 & 1.5 GB.
Try this:
MinFileCache=524288
MaxFileCache=524288
If that doesn't work try this:
MinFileCache=786432
MaxFileCache=786432

Like I say, I hope you get this to work and prove me wrong.

John64 · 10-11-2005, 04:16 PM

About what you are doing, is going from one system to a completely diferent system, a Northwood to a Prescott (probably), 875 to 955, DDR1 to DDR2, AGP to PCIe. Branding is similar, but everything else is diferent. Having too much ram could be a problem. You just think that more is better like most people do (an appropriate analogy would be that you never have too much gas unless your on fire). About using a 7 year old OS (based on a 20 Year old core), you are trying something that is very hit or miss and i am sure is not supported by intel or ms. About HT, it is by definition use of SMP (technically SMT) which is Dual Processor technology which is not supported in Win 98. Maybe you should accept the advice of those who have a lot of experience in these issues if you are going to continually ask for their assistance!

FB · 10-11-2005, 04:18 PM

Quote:

tsk tsk.... look everybody, how "angry" he gets

who's angry?

Kimbo · 10-13-2005, 01:22 AM

ok well i did remove 1gb and that was it!!!

so 2gb is the barrier during and after install........

i run it fine with 1gb so it's not the p4 670, it's not the 955x chipset!!!!!

i rebooted several times and insatlled stuff... all worked fine!!

then i went back to 2gb and the same error came up during boot time... so proof positive that it can not handle the 2gb.....

i'll have to find a way if possible to make win98 only see 1gb ram from the very begining, after the 1st boot during install (that is before the part where you enter the cd-key and it scans for the hardware)

10-11-2005, 08:29 AM	#1
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	Win98SE with 2GB RAM - Can not RUN!!! ok made a new thread to make it simpler and since the last one deterioted into a benchmarking post. i'll accept a merge anyway.... and also the "fix" does not seem to work.. now to the problem at hand..... with my last system (3.2ghz, 1GB ram, 875p chipset) i had no trouble installing and running windows 98 se. i didn't even have to edit the system.ini or anything...... now with a 955x chipset and 2gb ram after the 1st install phase (the 1st reboot) it stops in dos and throws up the error that says: "insufficient memory to continue, please clean autoexec.bat / config.sys for more memory" or words to that effect... in any case windows does not go any further, and it shuts down when/if i press any key. the autoexec/config files are empty so it's not them... i also tried the vcache setting both from this board and microsoft's knowledgebase, which are about the same: abx: MaxFileCache=524288 microsoft's: MinFileCache=51200 MaxFileCache=56320 same error comes up.... trying safe mode brings up the same error..... trying using the "load things manually" setting eventually brings the same error..... and remember, it worked fine before with 1gb ram.,..... so it's either the 2gb ram or even the chipset...... (also remember that this is before it even loads the windows gui for the first time) the bios no longer has the "memory hole at 15-16mb" which i think would have fixed it for this issue...... it would have made the whole system only show 16mb total... i used it on my older systems to do certain things... it was really useful, as usual they remove the good things.. i HATE AMI, i loved award........ come to think i of it, i think AMI didn't have it and, yes, in fact it was the awsome award bios that had THAT perticullar setting.... yes if later down the track (a few days or so from now, with no possitive results) i'll use 1gb (i have 4x512mb ddr2 sticks) to really see if it the ram size..... thing is aren't there some people using win98se with 4gb physicall ram ??? i'm sure some reported doing that, on this very site.... so please help if you can and don't suggest using xp, which i do, but i'd still like win98 too, using multiboot.... thanks.... __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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10-11-2005, 11:55 AM	#3
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	well with xp 4gb is nothing, it would be the mb that would be the problem, anyway that was just a mention, 4gb is not the issue....... is there anyone that came across this error ????? __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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10-11-2005, 11:57 AM	#4
John64 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,449	98SE has a limit of 768MB, i think it will run if you have 1gb, but only use the 768MB. Try a single 512 stick __________________
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10-11-2005, 01:12 PM	#5
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	that's FINE!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't even finish the install........ i don't care if while in 98 i "loose" 1.5 gb even.. {read the original post}!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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10-11-2005, 01:17 PM	#6
SRTDodge05 Grab Life By The Balls Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,830	lot of the newer computers cant run 9x, plus with a p4 ht it wont install right.
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10-11-2005, 01:27 PM	#7
John64 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,449	why not just get a cheap P3 1Ghz or older athlon to run the things that only run on 98SE, and use this for everything else. A KVM would make it near transperant. Maybe you could install it using another computer then move it over to this copmuter as 98SE doesnt require Hard Drive Controller Drivers to work. __________________
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10-11-2005, 01:53 PM	#8
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	i have a second pc that i could use,,, again, not to sound "rude" but read the 1st post!!! the ONLY difference is going from 1 to 2 gb ram and a new chipset.... so in other words i installed and used win98se with the following: p4 3.2ghz WITH HT asus p4c800-e (i875p) 1gb ddr ram (2x512mb sticks) 74gb raptor (sata) etc no problems whatsoever!!! i was a dream system..... so saying "768mb..." .... is irrelevant!!! i had it with the ABOVE specs..... i am almost certin because of too many memmory ranges (you know those FFF00000X things) it throws up that error. i will remove 2x512mb and go back to 1gb, that way i'll know for sure if its the AMOUNT of ram!!!! if it works i'll know 2gb is causing the problem. but then i'll still try to troubleshoot it using 2gb ram if i can.... __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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10-11-2005, 03:17 PM	#10
Deer Slayer Unscanable!!! Tatoo??? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Howell Michigan Posts: 3,844	Try installing it with only 1 stick of ram installed. That way you only have 1 gb when installing, and pop the other stick in there when it's done. Windows 98 always gave trouble with a lot of ram, so you're LUCKY to have it run with 1gb! Anyways, I'll give you my one and only idea to get your puter running, and not comment on what I think of running that OS in the first place. It certainly wouldn't be helpful anyways.
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10-11-2005, 04:07 PM	#11
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	FB, what's HT (we're talking hyper threading, right ?) goto do with it ? i just said that my 3.2 which has HT worked just fine so it's NOT HT!!! tsk tsk.... look everybody, how "angry" he gets (you can read it in his tone) because i dare try to use a 7 year old os on modern hardware. or is it on any hardware you have a problem with ? isn't this whole site and the pc "scene" about doing all sorts of things just like this ???? i'll give another general example, which was posted... some said that ultradma is no longer an issue with sata etc.... ok, i "hear" that message, BUT look at the "hdd" post, after a fresh install the os (xp), and everest now show my raptor as using udma 6 (as it should)... so the thing is it was 6 a few months ago, fine, then after months of use and many many installs of software and such i noticed it was udma5, so that's why i asked...... then some said it matters not... the issue at hand was that it's showing as 5 not 6... and NOW after a "fix" it's back to udma6....... __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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10-11-2005, 04:14 PM	#12
MANOWAR Call To Arms Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 475	Well I hope you get this working and prove me wrong, but I don't think you can do what you are trying to do. Check this out: 1) I believe the 915/925 chipsets were the last ones that officially supported Win98. 2) Even if I am wrong on the above point and the 955 does support win98 you will need to make sure you are using an older version of the Intel chipset software. Version 6.3.0.1007 was the last one to support Win98. 3) The workaround in your first post is almost perfect, but I think it cuts out somewhere between 1.2 & 1.5 GB. Try this: MinFileCache=524288 MaxFileCache=524288 If that doesn't work try this: MinFileCache=786432 MaxFileCache=786432 Like I say, I hope you get this to work and prove me wrong. __________________
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10-11-2005, 04:16 PM	#13
John64 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,449	About what you are doing, is going from one system to a completely diferent system, a Northwood to a Prescott (probably), 875 to 955, DDR1 to DDR2, AGP to PCIe. Branding is similar, but everything else is diferent. Having too much ram could be a problem. You just think that more is better like most people do (an appropriate analogy would be that you never have too much gas unless your on fire). About using a 7 year old OS (based on a 20 Year old core), you are trying something that is very hit or miss and i am sure is not supported by intel or ms. About HT, it is by definition use of SMP (technically SMT) which is Dual Processor technology which is not supported in Win 98. Maybe you should accept the advice of those who have a lot of experience in these issues if you are going to continually ask for their assistance! __________________
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10-13-2005, 01:22 AM	#15
Kimbo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 615	ok well i did remove 1gb and that was it!!! so 2gb is the barrier during and after install........ i run it fine with 1gb so it's not the p4 670, it's not the 955x chipset!!!!! i rebooted several times and insatlled stuff... all worked fine!! then i went back to 2gb and the same error came up during boot time... so proof positive that it can not handle the 2gb..... i'll have to find a way if possible to make win98 only see 1gb ram from the very begining, after the 1st boot during install (that is before the part where you enter the cd-key and it scans for the hardware) __________________ § Pimp of Mario's World. Hater of society. §
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