Windows 98 vs 98se - Page 2

wallijonn · 12-13-2004, 02:31 AM

W98SE had USB support. W98FE (First Edition) did not and could not. If you have SATA you will need to download their W98SE drivers (it's out on the net somewhere).

W98Se formatted with 4kb size blocks, WME formatted with 32kb blocks. Seemingly, WME would be better for video and music. What is the block size for WXP? I believe you can set it to 4 - 32kb, depending on the HD format program. I keep it at 4kb for faster response and defrag'ing.

I formatted my HD for WME (32kb) but installed W98SE instead. I really didn't notice any difference.

As to the "recovery" feature - I liked the backup feature in W98SE more. Put two partitions on the drive and do a full backup to it. Or install everything (patches, security updates, drivers, etc., then burn it onto a DVD using the backup program. If it ever crashes, do a minimal install (just install backup) then restore.

If you can find someone with a W98SE CD you can buy a W98SE license for $14 at www.pricewatch.com . An update CD is $44. A retail CD & License (COA) is $54.

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Dorsai · 12-16-2004, 04:58 PM

Sorry but Win98 does support USB in the first edition, I know because I ran it for years with nothing but updates. Win98SE added WDM support as earlier posted and some slight memory handling improvements over the first version.

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/overvie...b_in_win98.htm

I also fall into the group of folks that ran WinME without any problems, in fact I still run it on one of my old rigs just because...of course upon a clean install I tweaked the cache sizes, the page file and disabled SR so that probably had a lot to do with my trouble free experience with ME.

I would still recommend moving to XP though instead of using an old 9X kernel version of Windows just because of the NTFS file system and the greatly increased file size handling of the XP kernel. 9X Windows lacks support for file sizes above 4gig which is a royal pain in the *** when trying to work with video of any sort. Also I can honestly say I have never had a crash caused by WinXP. As far as privacy and the need to register WinXP, yeah I think its bogus but you have to realize the model for doing business has changed and you no longer buy the software, just a license to use it. If it really bothers you I would suggest ManDrake Linux, I also use that and find it to be outstanding for anything but gaming....mostly due to the limited number of games available, though it does seem to be getting better.

Lucas_Maximus · 12-16-2004, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorsai

Sorry but Win98 does support USB in the first edition, I know because I ran it for years with nothing but updates. Win98SE added WDM support as earlier posted and some slight memory handling improvements over the first version.

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/overvie...b_in_win98.htm

I also fall into the group of folks that ran WinME without any problems, in fact I still run it on one of my old rigs just because...of course upon a clean install I tweaked the cache sizes, the page file and disabled SR so that probably had a lot to do with my trouble free experience with ME.

I would still recommend moving to XP though instead of using an old 9X kernel version of Windows just because of the NTFS file system and the greatly increased file size handling of the XP kernel. 9X Windows lacks support for file sizes above 4gig which is a royal pain in the *** when trying to work with video of any sort. Also I can honestly say I have never had a crash caused by WinXP. As far as privacy and the need to register WinXP, yeah I think its bogus but you have to realize the model for doing business has changed and you no longer buy the software, just a license to use it. If it really bothers you I would suggest ManDrake Linux, I also use that and find it to be outstanding for anything but gaming....mostly due to the limited number of games available, though it does seem to be getting better.

WineX or cedega runs lots of windows games very nicely. I usually play vice city under wine quite nicely.

cimurray · 12-16-2004, 05:26 PM

It's not clear from the original message if you intend to run the O/S on your hardware as listed in your signature - from which I see you have 1Gb RAM listed. From memory I think Win98 had an upper limit of 128MB of memory which it could address directly and I think this carried over to SE.
I run a small home network with six PC's on it with a mixture of Win98SE and Windows 2000Pro machines. The kids use the 98SE machines to play games on and they take everything that gets thrown at them in their stride. The only issue I have is that Microsoft stopped supporting 98 a long time ago and 98SE updates tend to appear only once or twice a year now - usually when another major security patch is needed.
The machines I have with 256MB RAM or more are the ones that run 2000Pro and they run games too just fine - unless you happen to like playing some of the older games from the early and mid 90's in which case Win98SE is probably your best bet, especially as you can still boot directly back into DOS. Now there's a REAL operating system.....

Lucas_Maximus · 12-16-2004, 05:54 PM

windows 98SE it is 512mb of ram, and if you edit some of the options you can increase that.

traveler · 12-27-2004, 02:44 AM

512 is the win98 limit.

I run a gig of RAM on my win98se P4 machine with the necessary edits for it. It runs fine.

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Cogar · 12-27-2004, 08:53 PM

According to ThugsRook, Windows98/SE/ME can run 1024mb of RAM.

HowTo: 1024mb of ram Win98/SE/ME

wallijonn · 12-27-2004, 09:10 PM

What about running W98SE with 2G of mem?

Cogar · 12-27-2004, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallijonn

What about running W98SE with 2G of mem?

I am 99.9% sure that is not possible.

wallijonn · 12-27-2004, 09:59 PM

I'd say 100%.

I just tried it. Setting the vcache and swap to 2G or 0 bought me nothing. So I guess it's time to move W98Se over to my other machine; a GF3 should be good enough for most old games. Good thing I only play one game at a time under W98SE and always backup my game saves to floppy. I hate moving Ubuntu over, though. Looks like either I buy another HD or I just do without W98SE. nah... I'll figure something out.

12-13-2004, 02:31 AM	#16
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	W98SE had USB support. W98FE (First Edition) did not and could not. If you have SATA you will need to download their W98SE drivers (it's out on the net somewhere). W98Se formatted with 4kb size blocks, WME formatted with 32kb blocks. Seemingly, WME would be better for video and music. What is the block size for WXP? I believe you can set it to 4 - 32kb, depending on the HD format program. I keep it at 4kb for faster response and defrag'ing. I formatted my HD for WME (32kb) but installed W98SE instead. I really didn't notice any difference. As to the "recovery" feature - I liked the backup feature in W98SE more. Put two partitions on the drive and do a full backup to it. Or install everything (patches, security updates, drivers, etc., then burn it onto a DVD using the backup program. If it ever crashes, do a minimal install (just install backup) then restore. If you can find someone with a W98SE CD you can buy a W98SE license for $14 at www.pricewatch.com . An update CD is $44. A retail CD & License (COA) is $54. . __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933 Last edited by wallijonn : 12-13-2004 at 03:45 PM.
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12-16-2004, 04:58 PM	#17
Dorsai Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 69	Sorry but Win98 does support USB in the first edition, I know because I ran it for years with nothing but updates. Win98SE added WDM support as earlier posted and some slight memory handling improvements over the first version. http://www.usbman.com/Guides/overvie...b_in_win98.htm I also fall into the group of folks that ran WinME without any problems, in fact I still run it on one of my old rigs just because...of course upon a clean install I tweaked the cache sizes, the page file and disabled SR so that probably had a lot to do with my trouble free experience with ME. I would still recommend moving to XP though instead of using an old 9X kernel version of Windows just because of the NTFS file system and the greatly increased file size handling of the XP kernel. 9X Windows lacks support for file sizes above 4gig which is a royal pain in the *** when trying to work with video of any sort. Also I can honestly say I have never had a crash caused by WinXP. As far as privacy and the need to register WinXP, yeah I think its bogus but you have to realize the model for doing business has changed and you no longer buy the software, just a license to use it. If it really bothers you I would suggest ManDrake Linux, I also use that and find it to be outstanding for anything but gaming....mostly due to the limited number of games available, though it does seem to be getting better.
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12-16-2004, 05:26 PM	#19
cimurray Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands Posts: 259	It's not clear from the original message if you intend to run the O/S on your hardware as listed in your signature - from which I see you have 1Gb RAM listed. From memory I think Win98 had an upper limit of 128MB of memory which it could address directly and I think this carried over to SE. I run a small home network with six PC's on it with a mixture of Win98SE and Windows 2000Pro machines. The kids use the 98SE machines to play games on and they take everything that gets thrown at them in their stride. The only issue I have is that Microsoft stopped supporting 98 a long time ago and 98SE updates tend to appear only once or twice a year now - usually when another major security patch is needed. The machines I have with 256MB RAM or more are the ones that run 2000Pro and they run games too just fine - unless you happen to like playing some of the older games from the early and mid 90's in which case Win98SE is probably your best bet, especially as you can still boot directly back into DOS. Now there's a REAL operating system..... __________________ E8400 3.0GHz, 2GB OCZ DDR3 1333MHZ Gold, P5E3, Geforce 8800 GTS 512, Corsair HX 620W, Tuniq Tower 120-LFB, Seagate Barracuda 7200 500GB, Lian Li 65, Air cooled
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12-16-2004, 05:54 PM	#20
Lucas_Maximus Self Terminated Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,311	windows 98SE it is 512mb of ram, and if you edit some of the options you can increase that.
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12-27-2004, 02:44 AM	#21
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,223	512 is the win98 limit. I run a gig of RAM on my win98se P4 machine with the necessary edits for it. It runs fine. __________________ Chat with the ABXBuds at the #ABxZone channel on EFnet Internet Relay Chat If you don't have it then download mIRC from www.mIRC.com
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12-27-2004, 08:53 PM	#22
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,236	According to ThugsRook, Windows98/SE/ME can run 1024mb of RAM. HowTo: 1024mb of ram Win98/SE/ME
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12-27-2004, 09:10 PM	#23
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	What about running W98SE with 2G of mem? __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933
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12-27-2004, 09:59 PM	#25
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	I'd say 100%. I just tried it. Setting the vcache and swap to 2G or 0 bought me nothing. So I guess it's time to move W98Se over to my other machine; a GF3 should be good enough for most old games. Good thing I only play one game at a time under W98SE and always backup my game saves to floppy. I hate moving Ubuntu over, though. Looks like either I buy another HD or I just do without W98SE. nah... I'll figure something out. __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933
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