Windows 98 vs 98se

Razeus2003 · 06-17-2003, 12:53 AM

I have an old copy of windows 98, it does not say 98se on the cd and was wondering what the difference was? If I download all the patches and updates, will that make it the se version? I've been running win me and it's terrible. Since people rave about 98se, and I think I have it, would like to go to it. Or might go to Win 2k Pro instead.

traveler · 06-17-2003, 01:15 AM

My Windows 98 second edition CD says 'second edition" in small letters in the right side of the CD. It also says copyright 1999. Win98 first edition was copyright 1998.

For gaming, win98 second edition is great. Win98se does permit direct communication between software and hardware. You must maintain it though and if something goes wrong repair things manually.

If you want to run office apps then go with win2kpro. It is very stable and has some self repair capabilities, but more overhead for the self repair and stability.

It doesn't sound like you want to go XP. I don't like the phone home, loss of control, etc. in XP and I don't run it.

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vegetto34 · 06-17-2003, 01:22 AM

win98se adds WDM support. 98se/ME/2000/XP all support WDM.

WDM = Windows Driver Model

many audio drivers only use WDM now. microsoft's best idea for a unified driver base between OS versions...

Razeus2003 · 06-17-2003, 01:28 AM

I definitely have Win. 98 and not Win. 98se. Games are the main thing I do, so it sounds like SE is the way to go. Do I need to purchase a new copy of Win 98SE or are there patches and updates for the old win 98 that makes it the se version?

And a side question. Decided to run the asus probe, and I'm getting an "Invalid Floating Point Operation" window pop up. Never had that happen before, any ideas on that? Even upgraded to the newest version, and it's still occuring.
Thanks in advance.

Cogar · 06-17-2003, 01:54 AM

The OS is old enough that I do not believe that an upgrade is available any longer, and just adding Windows updates is not the same. If you buy a copy with some hardware, you can legitimately get an OEM version of 98SE or Me. Both would be under $100. Frankly, I think Me is less trouble prone and it runs games just as well. It has an additional advantage of having a system restore function in case an application screws up your system and being newer, it has better hardware support, fewer Vxd errors, etc. Windows 2000 Pro, either service pack 2 or 3 is also good. Most people would place its stability higher than the Win98X operating systems, although the compatibility will not be as good.

BadReligionPR · 06-17-2003, 08:53 PM

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I think Me is less trouble prone and it runs games just as well.

Well I think you would be hard-pressed to prove this, especially the trouble prone part. I own ME and choose to run 98SE on my one system left back in the 9x ages. System restore is pretty useless IME, it doesn't completely rollback things, just major system files.

I own both 98 and 98SE (one was retail, one came with a system), 98SE seems more stable, but never had any real probs with 98 original. If you're going to upgrade, at least go for Windows 2000. 98->98SE is not worth the money. You could however borrow it from a friend

Cogar · 06-17-2003, 10:35 PM

I understand that I represent a "minority position" when I advocate Me. Still, it was intended as an improvement over 98SE in the same way that XP was intended as an improvement over Windows 2000 Pro, so that should not be a surprising conclusion--although it may be considered an unorthodox one.

I am running it on two computers and these two computers give me fewer crashes, BSODs, Vxd errors, and require fewer reboots than 98 or 98SE did. (I also regularly use computers with Windows 98, W2K, and XP Pro at home and at work, so I have a good current idea regarding the relative merits of each OS.) I agree that the Windows Me system restore is not that great, but it is something that 98 and 98SE do not even have, so it is something. Maybe I have had an unusual experience, but that is the best insight I can offer.

god4sure · 06-22-2003, 03:09 PM

I'm with Cogar on his last post. When I used to use ME, it was great. Installed it on many a machine and it always worked great. never had all those problem i've heard ppl complain about. I'd say it's better than any 98

Rivi · 06-22-2003, 07:16 PM

Win Me is the only OS i installed that would crash within a week and need major fixing.......i got rid of it.Win98se is very good...so is win2k.XP is ok but needs alot of tweaking to run quick.I never played games with win2k so i don't know how well it runs that type of program.Win98se runs everything nice and is very easy to fix if anything like a virus gets into your system.

KingTermite · 06-22-2003, 07:22 PM

If you are thinking of getting a new OS...why get anything old...just go with XP. It's great, except for the phone home policy.

I'm with the people who hate Me. I bought Win Me and installed it on a Friday night and by Sunday morning had gone though at least 6 or 7 Blue Screens of Death.....trashed it wednesday afternoon and went back to Win98 until my Win2k came in.

barureddy · 06-22-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rivi
Win Me is the only OS i installed that would crash within a week and need major fixing.......i got rid of it.Win98se is very good...so is win2k.XP is ok but needs alot of tweaking to run quick.I never played games with win2k so i don't know how well it runs that type of program.Win98se runs everything nice and is very easy to fix if anything like a virus gets into your system.

Unless you run an HT cpu I see no reason to run winxp. I'm a big win2k fan in relative terms of Microsoft OSes. Regarding games, pretty much every game that works on 98 will work under win2k. There is a good degree of compatability with win2k and win98. Something you might want to note is regular win98 (not se) has a problem of handleing cpus of 2.2ghz or higher without a patch.

heymon02 · 12-12-2004, 08:39 AM

I want to download a photo processing software from Walmart in order to send digital pics to their local photo lab for printing. Their site said I needed 98SE or higher... Why? What runs different? I am stilll keeping this old rig running and it has the old WIN98 on it. It serves most of my purposes...

I do remember buying a 256MB thumb drive and the fine print also said a minimum system requirment of 98SE or higher. Turned-out that was because of the USB being able to recognize the thumber or not. No download patch would activate the drive. I sold the drive on eBay.

Back to my original question.... If I download the photo manipulation software from Walmart, what would be the result or shortfall? Any specifics? Thanx!

borodar · 12-13-2004, 12:40 AM

win98SE=win98+all the updates from windowsupdate.com

Lucas_Maximus · 12-13-2004, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Razeus2003

I have an old copy of windows 98, it does not say 98se on the cd and was wondering what the difference was? If I download all the patches and updates, will that make it the se version? I've been running win me and it's terrible. Since people rave about 98se, and I think I have it, would like to go to it. Or might go to Win 2k Pro instead.

windows Me = windows 98 3rd edition in my opinion. same stuff windows Me looks a bit prettier.

to be honest there isn't a lot of difference between the two, if you didn't like Windows Me you won't like 98 and 98 SE.

If your hardware can't run XP well I would use 2000 if you can afford a copy and have a p3 450 mhz processor or better and more than 128mb of ram.

To run Xp well you need more than 256mb of ram, even though it says that 128mb is recommended from personal experience I would never run XP with less than 256mb unless it was on my laptop where I have little choice.

I would recommend a 2000/XP over the alternatives (winXP =win2000 with xtra's and bug fixes). very good stable OS's

JCNiest5 · 12-13-2004, 01:24 AM

In other words, no you can't get SE with just doing all the updates. You have to actually buy a CD that says "Second Edition" on it to have 98SE.

And no, SE is more than just: win98SE=win98+all the updates from windowsupdate.com. You won't get the SE with just doing all the updates like I said above.

06-17-2003, 12:53 AM	#1
Razeus2003 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	Windows 98 vs 98se I have an old copy of windows 98, it does not say 98se on the cd and was wondering what the difference was? If I download all the patches and updates, will that make it the se version? I've been running win me and it's terrible. Since people rave about 98se, and I think I have it, would like to go to it. Or might go to Win 2k Pro instead.
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06-17-2003, 01:15 AM	#2
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,223	My Windows 98 second edition CD says 'second edition" in small letters in the right side of the CD. It also says copyright 1999. Win98 first edition was copyright 1998. For gaming, win98 second edition is great. Win98se does permit direct communication between software and hardware. You must maintain it though and if something goes wrong repair things manually. If you want to run office apps then go with win2kpro. It is very stable and has some self repair capabilities, but more overhead for the self repair and stability. It doesn't sound like you want to go XP. I don't like the phone home, loss of control, etc. in XP and I don't run it. The link to the ABxZone Chat channel: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>[ Click here to chat ]<< __________________ Visit and chat with the ABXBuds at the #ABxZone channel on EFnet Internet Relay Chat If you don't have it then download mIRC from www.mIRC.com
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06-17-2003, 01:22 AM	#3
vegetto34 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 60	win98se adds WDM support. 98se/ME/2000/XP all support WDM. WDM = Windows Driver Model many audio drivers only use WDM now. microsoft's best idea for a unified driver base between OS versions... __________________ My Computer
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06-17-2003, 01:28 AM	#4
Razeus2003 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	completely different then? I definitely have Win. 98 and not Win. 98se. Games are the main thing I do, so it sounds like SE is the way to go. Do I need to purchase a new copy of Win 98SE or are there patches and updates for the old win 98 that makes it the se version? And a side question. Decided to run the asus probe, and I'm getting an "Invalid Floating Point Operation" window pop up. Never had that happen before, any ideas on that? Even upgraded to the newest version, and it's still occuring. Thanks in advance.
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06-17-2003, 01:54 AM	#5
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,236	The OS is old enough that I do not believe that an upgrade is available any longer, and just adding Windows updates is not the same. If you buy a copy with some hardware, you can legitimately get an OEM version of 98SE or Me. Both would be under $100. Frankly, I think Me is less trouble prone and it runs games just as well. It has an additional advantage of having a system restore function in case an application screws up your system and being newer, it has better hardware support, fewer Vxd errors, etc. Windows 2000 Pro, either service pack 2 or 3 is also good. Most people would place its stability higher than the Win98X operating systems, although the compatibility will not be as good.
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06-17-2003, 10:35 PM	#7
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,236	I understand that I represent a "minority position" when I advocate Me. Still, it was intended as an improvement over 98SE in the same way that XP was intended as an improvement over Windows 2000 Pro, so that should not be a surprising conclusion--although it may be considered an unorthodox one. I am running it on two computers and these two computers give me fewer crashes, BSODs, Vxd errors, and require fewer reboots than 98 or 98SE did. (I also regularly use computers with Windows 98, W2K, and XP Pro at home and at work, so I have a good current idea regarding the relative merits of each OS.) I agree that the Windows Me system restore is not that great, but it is something that 98 and 98SE do not even have, so it is something. Maybe I have had an unusual experience, but that is the best insight I can offer.
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06-22-2003, 03:09 PM	#8
god4sure Hardware Xpert Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 433	I'm with Cogar on his last post. When I used to use ME, it was great. Installed it on many a machine and it always worked great. never had all those problem i've heard ppl complain about. I'd say it's better than any 98 __________________ AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Rev E Windows XP Pro + SP 2 Lite-On 16 X DVD+/- RW Lite-On DVD & CD-RW Combo Gigabyte Geforce 6800 Ultra ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe 1 GB DDR 500 Corsair TwinxPro Thermaltake Xaser III Antec True 550 P/S x2 200 GB 8 MB H/D Audigy 2 ZS Goin' 2 Da Xtreme
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06-22-2003, 07:16 PM	#9
Rivi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 803	Win Me is the only OS i installed that would crash within a week and need major fixing.......i got rid of it.Win98se is very good...so is win2k.XP is ok but needs alot of tweaking to run quick.I never played games with win2k so i don't know how well it runs that type of program.Win98se runs everything nice and is very easy to fix if anything like a virus gets into your system.
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12-12-2004, 08:39 AM	#12
heymon02 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1	"Minimum system requirement is 98SE" I want to download a photo processing software from Walmart in order to send digital pics to their local photo lab for printing. Their site said I needed 98SE or higher... Why? What runs different? I am stilll keeping this old rig running and it has the old WIN98 on it. It serves most of my purposes... I do remember buying a 256MB thumb drive and the fine print also said a minimum system requirment of 98SE or higher. Turned-out that was because of the USB being able to recognize the thumber or not. No download patch would activate the drive. I sold the drive on eBay. Back to my original question.... If I download the photo manipulation software from Walmart, what would be the result or shortfall? Any specifics? Thanx!
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JCNiest5 Computer Maniac Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Twin Boys, MN. Posts: 1,387	In other words, no you can't get SE with just doing all the updates. You have to actually buy a CD that says "Second Edition" on it to have 98SE. And no, SE is more than just: win98SE=win98+all the updates from windowsupdate.com. You won't get the SE with just doing all the updates like I said above. __________________ Asus Rampage 2 Extreme, Intel i7 920, 6GB (3x2GB) Corsair DDR3-1333, EVGA 8800GTS 320MB Asus P5B Deluxe Rev. 1.10G, Dual Core E2200, 2GB OCZ Platinum Rev. 2 (2x1GB), EVGA 8500GT 1GB DDR2 Gigabyte GA-945GCM-S2C, Dual Core E2180, 2GB OCZ Platinum Rev. 2 (2x1GB, PNY8600GT 256MB DDR3 ECS 945GCT-M/13333, 1GB, EVGA 8400GS Abit KN8 Rev. 1.1, A64 4000+, 1GB G.Skill PC-3200 (2x512MB), MSI 8500GT 256MB DDR3
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