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Lucas_Maximus · 02-05-2004, 11:26 PM

Very good point noshellwills.

it a pity that microsoft do some proper market research, they could make a lot of money in the enthusiast/professional market.

noshellswill · 02-06-2004, 01:06 AM

LM:

I've always assumed M$$oft IS the Feds-own-software company ... but maybe they left a product hole just to create "plausable deny-abilty". Not all DOJ lawers are in the BROTHERHOOD ... whatever ...

Other hand, when M$ buys Debian (!!) ... some think it's already happened ... we'll know the real answer.

Lucas_Maximus · 02-06-2004, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by noshellswill
LM:

I've always assumed M$$oft IS the Feds-own-software company ... but maybe they left a product hole just to create "plausable deny-abilty". Not all DOJ lawers are in the BROTHERHOOD ... whatever ...

Other hand, when M$ buys Debian (!!) ... some think it's already happened ... we'll know the real answer.

MS buying debian. lol

However i think MS have relized that business will not put up with shoddy OS such as 9x variants.

Therefore they have integrated their business OS for professionals (win2k and NT) with the 9x features to make a more flexible OS, so they can develop one platform and thus developing their products to work on one platform is far more cost effective than working with two different platforms.
Which is a waste of half the people the software company employs.

i looking forward to when linux has a standardised package management system throughout the distro's. Also hardware vendors also giving better driver support for linux.

Columbo_abx · 02-06-2004, 09:40 AM

linux is a very good OS, but it's nothing for the mass market, so most of the software developers will keep developing for M$ platforms...

noshellswill · 02-07-2004, 09:20 PM

Not mass market for *nix, but ...

I really do see that selling_slot between WinXP & Linux. Maybe ... 500,000 desktops @ $75 ?? Would NOT surprise me to see a M$$oft off_spring drop into that slot. Who is the competition - Fedora ?? I don't think so.

Bet M$ could snag a dozen DEB developers for peanuts , stick them in a 3rd_story Pioneer Square rats_nest and produce WIN$BIAN in about ... 3 months. 'Course I figure ( 8/5 ) that has already happened ! They could call the release " SALMON... NELLA "

NiTCOM · 02-07-2004, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lucas_Maximus
MS buying debian. lol

However i think MS have relized that business will not put up with shoddy OS such as 9x variants.

Therefore they have integrated their business OS for professionals (win2k and NT) with the 9x features to make a more flexible OS, so they can develop one platform and thus developing their products to work on one platform is far more cost effective than working with two different platforms.
Which is a waste of half the people the software company employs.

i looking forward to when linux has a standardised package management system throughout the distro's. Also hardware vendors also giving better driver support for linux.

"not putting up with" is easy to say. What ELSE is out there (besides Linux)? MAC but that's mainly for dektoppublishing and photowork. You HAVE TO put up with it somehow, unfortunately.

I wish IBM would have continued developing OS/2.

They gave in much too soon, IMO.

noshellswill · 02-08-2004, 02:18 AM

NitCom:

You are plenty right about OS2. There's something spooky about IBM REFUSING to support software developement on that platform. Sure they produced a few elements of an office suite, but refused to take a step farther into the consumer area.
I know they just stopped, because at the time I ASKED them and got an all-too-honest answer.

MeThinks folks with shiny_black_shoes and crew_cuts had a chat with IBM. Tell me I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, but betcha the guv'ment had already PICKED their cpu(INTEL) and sofware(M$).

And you wonder why M$ software has so many ( Fed_designed) security holes? HAhahahaha.

Darkfalz · 02-11-2004, 05:10 AM

I really hate WinME bashing. It is SO ignorant. Most of the people never used it, it's just something to bash because everyone else does.

ME is the most stable 9x, and nicest looking. I still use it on my other machine. The only thing I don't like about ME is the fact it has no pure DOS support, but I get around that with a boot disk. WinME will still work when your resources are under 50% (and it takes longer to get there), something that 98SE couldn't hack. It would crash without warning on anything under 50% resources.

Of course, to get WinME running smooth you have to disable a few of the things that really were mistakes, like System Restore.

Another thing I love about WinME is that it boots lightening fast, especially if you disable the logo. On the other PC it hasn't crashed in a year, but then again I'm not browsing the internet and stuff with it. IE was the thing that tended to chew up resources on it when I was using it for my main box.

DeMenAce · 02-11-2004, 06:24 AM

Ah, but disabling the system retore would be brutal at best. I don't know how many times it has saved people I know from total reinstall or reformat/install. I had a friend whose boy throw away some system files, when he rebooted, no more boot! I went over to his house and in a few minutes restored it to as new with safe mode and system restore.

NiTCOM · 02-11-2004, 06:05 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Darkfalz
I really hate WinME bashing. It is SO ignorant. Most of the people never used it, it's just something to bash because everyone else does.

ME is the most stable 9x, and nicest looking. I still use it on my other machine. The only thing I don't like about ME is the fact it has no pure DOS support, but I get around that with a boot disk. WinME will still work when your resources are under 50% (and it takes longer to get there), something that 98SE couldn't hack. It would crash without warning on anything under 50% resources.

Of course, to get WinME running smooth you have to disable a few of the things that really were mistakes, like System Restore.

Another thing I love about WinME is that it boots lightening fast, especially if you disable the logo. On the other PC it hasn't crashed in a year, but then again I'm not browsing the internet and stuff with it. IE was the thing that tended to chew up resources on it when I was using it for my main box. [/QUOTE

Using one of the 9x windows family (including Me which basically is just 98) is plain masochistic to me. It runs smooth maybe before you install new drivers and new software, the bare thing you get after a new install.

Monkey Hanger · 02-11-2004, 06:20 PM

Well for what it's worth 98 is a very stable OS. ME is just not worth the effort or the bucks.
There certainly is a market for a "lite" version of XP but I doubt that M$ will fill the gap.
God help new users who arrive wih XP. It's just too complex.

Just my two cents worth!

nowareman · 02-11-2004, 07:00 PM

I've used ME and XP and IMO the latter is far and away the more stable user friendly OS.

I kept a log of error messages and crashes while using ME (I had to start logging them, there were so many). I filled a composition pad in a few months.

I still have my ME disk. It's useful when doing a full install from an XP upgrade disk.

02-05-2004, 11:26 PM	#46
Lucas_Maximus Self Terminated Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,311	Very good point noshellwills. it a pity that microsoft do some proper market research, they could make a lot of money in the enthusiast/professional market.
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02-06-2004, 01:06 AM	#47
noshellswill Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 169	afraid of the feds ? LM: I've always assumed M$$oft IS the Feds-own-software company ... but maybe they left a product hole just to create "plausable deny-abilty". Not all DOJ lawers are in the BROTHERHOOD ... whatever ... Other hand, when M$ buys Debian (!!) ... some think it's already happened ... we'll know the real answer.
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02-06-2004, 09:40 AM	#49
Columbo_abx Walking the dog Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Owingen, Bodensee Posts: 351	linux is a very good OS, but it's nothing for the mass market, so most of the software developers will keep developing for M$ platforms...
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02-07-2004, 09:20 PM	#50
noshellswill Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 169	*mass market nix** Not mass market for *nix, but ... I really do see that selling_slot between WinXP & Linux. Maybe ... 500,000 desktops @ $75 ?? Would NOT surprise me to see a M$$oft off_spring drop into that slot. Who is the competition - Fedora ?? I don't think so. Bet M$ could snag a dozen DEB developers for peanuts , stick them in a 3rd_story Pioneer Square rats_nest and produce WIN$BIAN in about ... 3 months. 'Course I figure ( 8/5 ) that has already happened ! They could call the release " SALMON... NELLA "
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02-08-2004, 02:18 AM	#52
noshellswill Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 169	spooky OS2 NitCom: You are plenty right about OS2. There's something spooky about IBM REFUSING to support software developement on that platform. Sure they produced a few elements of an office suite, but refused to take a step farther into the consumer area. I know they just stopped, because at the time I ASKED them and got an all-too-honest answer. MeThinks folks with shiny_black_shoes and crew_cuts had a chat with IBM. Tell me I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, but betcha the guv'ment had already PICKED their cpu(INTEL) and sofware(M$). And you wonder why M$ software has so many ( Fed_designed) security holes? HAhahahaha.
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02-11-2004, 05:10 AM	#53
Darkfalz Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 605	I really hate WinME bashing. It is SO ignorant. Most of the people never used it, it's just something to bash because everyone else does. ME is the most stable 9x, and nicest looking. I still use it on my other machine. The only thing I don't like about ME is the fact it has no pure DOS support, but I get around that with a boot disk. WinME will still work when your resources are under 50% (and it takes longer to get there), something that 98SE couldn't hack. It would crash without warning on anything under 50% resources. Of course, to get WinME running smooth you have to disable a few of the things that really were mistakes, like System Restore. Another thing I love about WinME is that it boots lightening fast, especially if you disable the logo. On the other PC it hasn't crashed in a year, but then again I'm not browsing the internet and stuff with it. IE was the thing that tended to chew up resources on it when I was using it for my main box. __________________ OS Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 CPU Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz with HT (Northwood) Motherboard ASUS P4P800 Deluxe RAM 1 GB Kingston DDR400 3-3-3-8 Dual Channel Display NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT 256 MB AGP Monitor 17" Mitsubishi Diamond View 1770 FD Sound SoundMAX Digital Audio Speakers DKL 3D-650 NIC 3Com Gigabit LOM Modem Marconi FLX Stream-ISG HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 120 GB HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 200 GB Optical SONY CRX300E CD-RW/DVD-ROM Optical SONY DWD18A DVD±RW Case AOpen KF45A-P4 PSU LC-B400ATX Keyboard Microsoft Internet Keyboard Mouse Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical Last edited by Darkfalz : 02-11-2004 at 05:26 AM.
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02-11-2004, 06:24 AM	#54
DeMenAce GOD is LOVE Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 21,978	Ah, but disabling the system retore would be brutal at best. I don't know how many times it has saved people I know from total reinstall or reformat/install. I had a friend whose boy throw away some system files, when he rebooted, no more boot! I went over to his house and in a few minutes restored it to as new with safe mode and system restore. __________________
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02-11-2004, 06:05 PM	#55
NiTCOM Computertueftler Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: California / Germany Posts: 733	[quote]Originally posted by Darkfalz I really hate WinME bashing. It is SO ignorant. Most of the people never used it, it's just something to bash because everyone else does. ME is the most stable 9x, and nicest looking. I still use it on my other machine. The only thing I don't like about ME is the fact it has no pure DOS support, but I get around that with a boot disk. WinME will still work when your resources are under 50% (and it takes longer to get there), something that 98SE couldn't hack. It would crash without warning on anything under 50% resources. Of course, to get WinME running smooth you have to disable a few of the things that really were mistakes, like System Restore. Another thing I love about WinME is that it boots lightening fast, especially if you disable the logo. On the other PC it hasn't crashed in a year, but then again I'm not browsing the internet and stuff with it. IE was the thing that tended to chew up resources on it when I was using it for my main box. [/QUOTE Using one of the 9x windows family (including Me which basically is just 98) is plain masochistic to me. It runs smooth maybe before you install new drivers and new software, the bare thing you get after a new install.
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02-11-2004, 06:20 PM	#56
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	Well for what it's worth 98 is a very stable OS. ME is just not worth the effort or the bucks. There certainly is a market for a "lite" version of XP but I doubt that M$ will fill the gap. God help new users who arrive wih XP. It's just too complex. Just my two cents worth!
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02-11-2004, 07:00 PM	#57
nowareman ABXpert Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,466	I've used ME and XP and IMO the latter is far and away the more stable user friendly OS. I kept a log of error messages and crashes while using ME (I had to start logging them, there were so many). I filled a composition pad in a few months. I still have my ME disk. It's useful when doing a full install from an XP upgrade disk.
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