Problem with "New Posts"

PCBruiser · 06-10-2004, 10:51 AM

Back on an old conversion issue again, I'm afraid. The problem with "New Posts". I understand the limitations of v3 of VB, but the "New Posts" search is losing New Posts very quickly now. If I spend 10+ minutes working on something else, and then try to refresh New Posts with the "New Posts" button, all the older New Posts have been cleared. Is there some way to time this longer before the older New Posts get lost and the search is deleted from the server? Perhaps an hour of retention or something like that?

As an example, I was working on responding to a long post on water cooling just now, it took me perhaps 15 minutes to do it, and by the time I posted my response all the new posts from last night on my search were gone. I'm not trying to be a PIA or to rehash old issues, but this one is really inconvenient.

StarTraveller · 06-10-2004, 12:43 PM

I checked up on it and the cookie timeout is set to 900 seconds (15 minutes). The problem with increasing this (I think) is that server will have to handle more open sessions (because they'll time out later) so it could slow down the site.

However, if we can increase it by just a tad and thereby making things much more convenient then I would say that we should do it. We just need to find the sweetspot where we get the most covered with as little added load as possible.

What do you think would be a good value? Is 20 minutes enough to cover maybe 90% of the situations or does it have to be even higher?

PCBruiser · 06-10-2004, 12:47 PM

Whatever you can StarTraveller. Longer is better, if an hour is possible, that would cover almost everything, if not, then whatever works best for the server. I don't want to cause a problem here, and if longer causes site slowdown, then leave it as it is. What do other members think???

StarTraveller · 06-10-2004, 12:51 PM

Well, I just want to find the point of diminishing returns. I suspect that we could probably cover 90-95% with a relatively low value (less than 30 minutes).

So I'm asking you how long you typically look away... Perhaps you could make a mental note of checking that for a few days and posting about the duration that would cover your needs most of the time.

PS: I've also thought of an alternative method that would work even better, but I don't know if it's possible yet so I've just posted about it in the mod forum

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PCBruiser · 06-10-2004, 12:56 PM

For me, at least, I would guess that 30 mins would handle just about everything. I do realize that using Active Threads is an alternative, but that doesn't show subscribed threads or ones that I have viewed the most recent postings on. So in those rare cases that 30 minutes wouldn't work, Active Threads would be my most practical alternative.

And, thank you for considering this. I really wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it.

StarTraveller · 06-10-2004, 01:02 PM

Also, don't forget this one:

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/search.php?do=getdaily

IIRC, then that is the official alternative as per vBulletin support.

Monkey Hanger · 06-10-2004, 01:29 PM

Personally I'd find an hour too long. But I do appreciate the problem. There has been occasions for me when I would have liked to go back a visit. Like when just after logging in, the phone rings etc.

Would it be possible to have the choice of an auto/manual trigger?

*Bofinn* · 06-10-2004, 02:02 PM

I think 30 min. would be the min., but I vote for an hour as well. Sometimes when I log on in the morning, my new posts may be 4 to 6 pages long.

I usually view 3 or 4 pages then switch to the daily search to refresh the list.

**pointreyes** · 06-10-2004, 02:20 PM

What wrong with using Active Topics?

If the new posts got moved down for more new posts, click on active topics and you will find those other posts.

PCBruiser · 06-10-2004, 02:23 PM

Other than the fact that Active Threads does not indicate my subscribed or viewed threads, nothing. That's the difference between that and New Posts.

Monkey Hanger · 06-10-2004, 02:41 PM

Or, why not set the board to reset when you go offline, rather than start the count when you come online?

grsamf · 06-12-2004, 09:12 AM

Each morning when I first go to the New Posts, I bookmark that search page. Later, when I go to the bookmarks it doesn't give me all the new posts since my first login that day like the old vB did, but takes me to the page as it existed when I bookmarked. The New Posts tab will bring up changes since then. Eventually, I will get a message that the search yielded no results. I'm still trying to figure out what the key to that is. Whether the timeout is 15 minutes or 2 hours, there are always those times that it's impossible to get through all the new posts in one setting.

I do agree that if more than 15 minutes is possible without burdening the system to the point that it slows the site, it would be a good thing.

Cogar · 06-14-2004, 02:49 PM

I gave up trying. That is one reason I spend much less time here now than I used to. (Not complaining, it is just a reality.)

Monkey Hanger · 06-14-2004, 03:07 PM

That's a shame Cogar!

I really think that the clock should not start ticking when you log in, but it should start when you log out. New Posts could reset, say, 15mins after you log out!
That way, everyone would get the time they need.

PCBruiser · 06-14-2004, 03:23 PM

Reading Cogar's comment, I start to wonder whether this issue is more than the inconvenience I thought it was, and not a more serious issue?

06-10-2004, 10:51 AM	#1
PCBruiser Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13,497	Problem with "New Posts" Back on an old conversion issue again, I'm afraid. The problem with "New Posts". I understand the limitations of v3 of VB, but the "New Posts" search is losing New Posts very quickly now. If I spend 10+ minutes working on something else, and then try to refresh New Posts with the "New Posts" button, all the older New Posts have been cleared. Is there some way to time this longer before the older New Posts get lost and the search is deleted from the server? Perhaps an hour of retention or something like that? As an example, I was working on responding to a long post on water cooling just now, it took me perhaps 15 minutes to do it, and by the time I posted my response all the new posts from last night on my search were gone. I'm not trying to be a PIA or to rehash old issues, but this one is really inconvenient.
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06-10-2004, 12:43 PM	#2
StarTraveller Retired Modder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cloud Nine Posts: 6,468	I checked up on it and the cookie timeout is set to 900 seconds (15 minutes). The problem with increasing this (I think) is that server will have to handle more open sessions (because they'll time out later) so it could slow down the site. However, if we can increase it by just a tad and thereby making things much more convenient then I would say that we should do it. We just need to find the sweetspot where we get the most covered with as little added load as possible. What do you think would be a good value? Is 20 minutes enough to cover maybe 90% of the situations or does it have to be even higher? __________________ StarTraveller.net - see Computers for current setup! Well, it used to be current... Right now, my primary computer is a ThinkPad T43p 2668-H7U upgraded to 2 GB RAM Motto: If it is worth doing then it is worth doing right! Caution: The light at the end of a tunnel may be an oncoming train...
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06-10-2004, 12:47 PM	#3
PCBruiser Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13,497	Whatever you can StarTraveller. Longer is better, if an hour is possible, that would cover almost everything, if not, then whatever works best for the server. I don't want to cause a problem here, and if longer causes site slowdown, then leave it as it is. What do other members think???
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06-10-2004, 12:51 PM	#4
StarTraveller Retired Modder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cloud Nine Posts: 6,468	Well, I just want to find the point of diminishing returns. I suspect that we could probably cover 90-95% with a relatively low value (less than 30 minutes). So I'm asking you how long you typically look away... Perhaps you could make a mental note of checking that for a few days and posting about the duration that would cover your needs most of the time. PS: I've also thought of an alternative method that would work even better, but I don't know if it's possible yet so I've just posted about it in the mod forum . __________________ StarTraveller.net - see Computers for current setup! Well, it used to be current... Right now, my primary computer is a ThinkPad T43p 2668-H7U upgraded to 2 GB RAM Motto: If it is worth doing then it is worth doing right! Caution: The light at the end of a tunnel may be an oncoming train...
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06-10-2004, 12:56 PM	#5
PCBruiser Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13,497	For me, at least, I would guess that 30 mins would handle just about everything. I do realize that using Active Threads is an alternative, but that doesn't show subscribed threads or ones that I have viewed the most recent postings on. So in those rare cases that 30 minutes wouldn't work, Active Threads would be my most practical alternative. And, thank you for considering this. I really wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it.
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06-10-2004, 01:02 PM	#6
StarTraveller Retired Modder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cloud Nine Posts: 6,468	Also, don't forget this one: http://www.abxzone.com/forums/search.php?do=getdaily IIRC, then that is the official alternative as per vBulletin support. __________________ StarTraveller.net - see Computers for current setup! Well, it used to be current... Right now, my primary computer is a ThinkPad T43p 2668-H7U upgraded to 2 GB RAM Motto: If it is worth doing then it is worth doing right! Caution: The light at the end of a tunnel may be an oncoming train...
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06-10-2004, 01:29 PM	#7
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	Personally I'd find an hour too long. But I do appreciate the problem. There has been occasions for me when I would have liked to go back a visit. Like when just after logging in, the phone rings etc. Would it be possible to have the choice of an auto/manual trigger?
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06-10-2004, 02:02 PM	#8
Bofinn I'm gettin' dizzy! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 11,035	I think 30 min. would be the min., but I vote for an hour as well. Sometimes when I log on in the morning, my new posts may be 4 to 6 pages long. I usually view 3 or 4 pages then switch to the daily search to refresh the list. __________________ ---------- JimBo ----------- When in doubt, smack it!
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06-10-2004, 02:20 PM	#9
pointreyes The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 18,159	What wrong with using Active Topics? If the new posts got moved down for more new posts, click on active topics and you will find those other posts. __________________
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06-10-2004, 02:23 PM	#10
PCBruiser Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13,497	Other than the fact that Active Threads does not indicate my subscribed or viewed threads, nothing. That's the difference between that and New Posts.
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06-10-2004, 02:41 PM	#11
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	Or, why not set the board to reset when you go offline, rather than start the count when you come online?
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06-12-2004, 09:12 AM	#12
grsamf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,739	Each morning when I first go to the New Posts, I bookmark that search page. Later, when I go to the bookmarks it doesn't give me all the new posts since my first login that day like the old vB did, but takes me to the page as it existed when I bookmarked. The New Posts tab will bring up changes since then. Eventually, I will get a message that the search yielded no results. I'm still trying to figure out what the key to that is. Whether the timeout is 15 minutes or 2 hours, there are always those times that it's impossible to get through all the new posts in one setting. I do agree that if more than 15 minutes is possible without burdening the system to the point that it slows the site, it would be a good thing. Last edited by grsamf : 06-12-2004 at 09:21 AM.
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06-14-2004, 02:49 PM	#13
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,236	I gave up trying. That is one reason I spend much less time here now than I used to. (Not complaining, it is just a reality.)
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06-14-2004, 03:07 PM	#14
Monkey Hanger Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 10,590	That's a shame Cogar! I really think that the clock should not start ticking when you log in, but it should start when you log *out*. New Posts could reset, say, 15mins after you log out! That way, everyone would get the time they need.
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06-14-2004, 03:23 PM	#15
PCBruiser Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13,497	Reading Cogar's comment, I start to wonder whether this issue is more than the inconvenience I thought it was, and not a more serious issue?
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