Ubuntu 6.06 - Page 5

XJ. · 09-17-2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallijonn

A root terminal has root user privs., as opposed to a regular terminal window which you have to issue a sudo command.

I know what it is, I spent 6 years programming on Unix boxen. I always used 'su root' just so that I was always reminded that I was acting as root and could really screw stuff up if I wasn't careful. The coment I made was becasue some of the guys using Slowaris kept a write-only root terminal open for console out messages.

wallijonn · 09-26-2006, 12:04 AM

I found that the Simple Backup Config doesn't really work.

But what was most interesting is that if you insert a blank CDR or DVDR, that you can access all other user files. (Not that I really mind since when I do a full backup of my data I want to be able to only access it through the root user account (Admin in Windows).)

Yes, I created separate accounts for different functions. That way I can dedicate a user account for surfing, one for email, one for working with video, one for music, one for pictures, one for documents, etc. It's the same thing I do under XP. It makes backing up user data easier and I can scan for viruses from the Admin account, thereby making sure that my Restricted / Limited internet account doesn't munge my OS.

GNOMEBaker wouldn't erase a DVDR/W. I had to logout and login into Windows to run Nero and erase the disk, then logout and login into Ubuntu to use the DVDR/W disk. GNOMEBaker must have the disk size set in the lower right hand corner or else it will report an error. Since it is initially set to 200MB if you install a 700MB CDR and drag files over, it will say that there is not enough room on the CDR.

Writing to the DVD took a long time, much longer than using Nero.

If I tried to copied a large number of files the app. would crash. It would either create "another xxxx" or "link to xxxx". Talk about a PITA!

It almost made me want to install the KDE burn utility (like I did in Warty and Hoary).

When I tried to send a report it listed the apps but not the one I was using. Hmmmm. Maybe it isn't listed because it was installed through Automatix.

For the most part I am satisfied with Dapper. So much so that I am ready to change over to a 120GB HD and blow away my 30GB.

I have 2GB of memory and I have the feeling that there is a memory leak somewhere.

wallijonn · 10-01-2006, 09:52 PM

Now that I was able to finally use the Root Terminal correctly, I found that Automatix had to be finessed in by gedit automatix-installer, then saving as .1, then changing the chmod 755 on it, to allow it to run correctly.

Hmmmm, is that Opera I see there?

One thing of note, in case you ever want to muck around with HD parameters, I did a manual partitioning and set the i/o sync bit on the HD before installing /ext3. Maybe that'll get rid of my problem with viewing 3000 thumbs or burning a DVD with a lot of files.

wallijonn · 10-02-2006, 01:55 PM

You guys have noticed the DRM certificates, right? You know where the repositories / backup to are, right? Is that a listen daemon running? hmmm.

wallijonn · 10-04-2006, 08:03 PM

Dapper installed just fine on my G4-500 with an ATI Rage128 card. So if you have the same you may want to give it a try.

Unfortunately it defaults to 1024x768. Some hacking is probably in order.

I find that it takes a little longer to boot up than OSX, though.

Firefox doesn't seem to like playing QTime videos, though (I installed Automatix).

XenoS_abx · 10-07-2006, 06:45 AM

I'm considering giving Xubuntu or Ubuntu a trial run again since I do like them, and maybe try to stick with it longer this time if for no other reason than to perhap improve my understanding of Linux and how it all works. It may come in handy down the line, what with XP's days being numbered thanks to Vista. In the past, my difficulties usually involved getting drivers installed and working correctly, and I've ended up just throwing in the towel due to frustration more often than not. So, I was really hoping that maybe someone here could give me a link to what most would consider the best Linux/Ubuntu forum out there. A place where it's perfectly alright for a Linux noob such as myself to ask what may seem like stupid questions, where I won't be ignored and actually get good knowledgable answers. I've already looked at the stickies here but that didn't really help me with what I'm specifically seeking. Thanks all!

wallijonn · 10-07-2006, 06:40 PM

You may want to try SimplyMephis (for which Automatix also does its thing for).

When it comes to things like drivers it comes down to trying every distro out there and then seeing which one works best for you.

Basically you have Debian based distros, Red Hat Management (RPM) distros, and the rest (Gentoo is in a world all its own - it may take 24 hours to compile a kernel just for your machine. I can't be bothered, anymore.)

Me, I HATE KDE. I am a GNOME man. I HATE KDE's Crystal theme - it burns my retinas. It just feels too cartoony.

But there something to be said for SuSE's SaX2 utility. You won't appreciate it until you change monitors. Then Ubuntu becomes a real pain. Or change your NIC and see if you can do a re-scan.

If you really want to know the insides of Linux you may want to try Slackware.

As far as "stupid" questions go, so long as it is not distro specific, just do a google for 'linux forum'. You should get a hundred hits.

The place to start is www.distrowatch.com and www.OSDir.com

If you have a nVidi graphics card I'd go with a distro that has a XGL version, like Dream Linux http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/saiba-xgl.html or Sabayon http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

It's basically what Vista and the next OSX wants to be, except instead of desklets, Vista calls it widgets. OSX 10.2 is basically Engage E17 at work. It wasn't until OSX 10.3 that desklets made the scene. The next OSX (10.4) will have transparencies, flips, strips, etc. And multiple desktops. Believe me when I tell you that OSX 10.2 without 4 desktops is a p.i.t.a. At work I have to use 4 desktops with WXP. Minimising windows or hitting the desktop button is too slow.

If you are using WXP, go to Microsoft's powertoys section and download the desktop management "toy". it will give you 4 desktps to work with, just like Linux. You can even give a different desktop picture to each desktop, just like KDE (but not GNOME).

http://www.groovyweb.uklinux.net/?pa...ux%20tutorials

http://www.linuxlinks.com/Beginners/
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/links.html
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73
http://www.linuxlots.com/~jam/index.html
http://www.linux.org/
http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html
http://www.openfree.org/forums/

XenoS_abx · 10-08-2006, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallijonn

As far as "stupid" questions go, so long as it is not distro specific, just do a google for 'linux forum'. You should get a hundred hits.

Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at the links you provided. I guess I should have been clearer in my original post like it was in my head while writing it out. One does indeed get hundreds of hits (more like 174 million) in a Google search, which is specifically why I asked the question that I did. Finding forums is pretty easy. It's finding that one perfect noob friendly gem I'm specifically trying to find that's hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallijonn

Me, I HATE KDE. I am a GNOME man. I HATE KDE's Crystal theme - it burns my retinas. It just feels too cartoony.

Same here.

John64 · 10-08-2006, 12:35 PM

i hate how KDE apps have no consistency. Every GNOME app looks the same, and has very similar menu entries. KDE is different in each app, not to mention the feature bloat, and its slow!

Cogar · 10-08-2006, 02:38 PM

KDE/Gnome tends to be a matter of preference. I find Gnome to be "dumbed down." (Gnome developers have even admitted that they like to "protect users" from making a lot of nasty decisions.

) It seems to me that people are less restricted with KDE and I like the flexibility. Let me add that some distributions like Linspire use elements of both in their desktop environment.

BoWevil_abx · 10-09-2006, 06:05 AM

I have used Ubuntu for 6-8 months, and I really like it. I had no problem installing a Linksys USB wireless network adapter (WUSB11), but on every reboot, to have an internet connection, I have to inactivate wlan0, then reactivate it. I edited the network interface file and commented out the references to eth0 and made sure that wlan0 was set to auto, but I still have to reset on every reboot because for some reason there is no default internet connection, regardless of what the /etc/network/interfaces file indicates

By the way, I found that using ndisgtk (a gui) made installing wireless drivers much easier than using the command line.

wallijonn · 10-13-2006, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John64

I hate how KDE apps have no consistency. Every GNOME app looks the same, and has very similar menu entries. KDE is different in each app, not to mention the feature bloat, and its slow.

That may not be entirely true since Gnome menues have changed with each version and each distro tends to set up their menu system differently.

In the case of Gnome many people had to install k3b just to be able to burn. If you look at Gnome Baker its app is very simplistic versus the "complexity" of k3b. I liken it to the two different types of Nero burning software, one which is full featured and one dumbed down to a GUI which has limited functionality. Of course you could pay a lot more to get the greater functionality in Nero Ultimate... <sarcasm>

If you think about it, Windows does have similar problems - you have to go and remove the Run command from Limited accounts. Why should a Limited account be able to have access to Administrator apps. & functions? So you end up removing a lot of things from the All Users desktop menu and then adding them to the Limited accounts users.

In the case of Root Administrator (Windows) you could install a program through an Administrator User (user part of Admin group) account and not be able to remove it from the root Administrator account. You'd have to uninstall it from the same account as it was installed.

At least Linux has the problem in reverse, which is why sudo was created.

But GNOME does need better hardware apps. For example, ever work with mouse pointers? You can't see what you're working with with GNOME. But if you log out and log into KDE all of a sudden the same mouse pointer icons will appear, you'll be able to work with them, edit them, etc.

KDE allows you to have a different wallpaper for each desktop while GNOME only allows you one wallpaper accross all desktops.

I have yet to find one KDE theme I like (well, maybe Gentoo...) With GNOME there all all sorts of Window themes to choose from. But when it came to Gentoo I chose VidaLinux over the KDE Gentoo version, so my preference still holds.

If I had to compare, I'd say that GNOME is more Apple OSX like while KDE is more Windows like. Well, I have made my GNOME look a lot like OSX... It's clean and lean.

I've just installed Suse 10.1 and the first thing I saw was that there are no updates for it, apps seem to be missing (like Firefox), things have been moved around a little bit.

Cogar · 10-14-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallijonn

I've just installed Suse 10.1 and the first thing I saw was that there are no updates for it, apps seem to be missing (like Firefox), things have been moved around a little bit.

The update mechanism was broken in SUSE 10.1--something that garnered them considerable criticism in the Linux community. There are workarounds posted on the Internet.

09-26-2006, 12:04 AM	#62
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	Just an update. I found that the Simple Backup Config doesn't really work. But what was most interesting is that if you insert a blank CDR or DVDR, that you can access all other user files. (Not that I really mind since when I do a full backup of my data I want to be able to only access it through the root user account (Admin in Windows).) Yes, I created separate accounts for different functions. That way I can dedicate a user account for surfing, one for email, one for working with video, one for music, one for pictures, one for documents, etc. It's the same thing I do under XP. It makes backing up user data easier and I can scan for viruses from the Admin account, thereby making sure that my Restricted / Limited internet account doesn't munge my OS. GNOMEBaker wouldn't erase a DVDR/W. I had to logout and login into Windows to run Nero and erase the disk, then logout and login into Ubuntu to use the DVDR/W disk. GNOMEBaker must have the disk size set in the lower right hand corner or else it will report an error. Since it is initially set to 200MB if you install a 700MB CDR and drag files over, it will say that there is not enough room on the CDR. Writing to the DVD took a long time, much longer than using Nero. If I tried to copied a large number of files the app. would crash. It would either create "another xxxx" or "link to xxxx". Talk about a PITA! It almost made me want to install the KDE burn utility (like I did in Warty and Hoary). When I tried to send a report it listed the apps but not the one I was using. Hmmmm. Maybe it isn't listed because it was installed through Automatix. For the most part I am satisfied with Dapper. So much so that I am ready to change over to a 120GB HD and blow away my 30GB. I have 2GB of memory and I have the feeling that there is a memory leak somewhere. __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933 Last edited by wallijonn : 09-26-2006 at 01:14 AM.
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10-01-2006, 09:52 PM	#63
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	An update: Now that I was able to finally use the Root Terminal correctly, I found that Automatix had to be finessed in by gedit automatix-installer, then saving as .1, then changing the chmod 755 on it, to allow it to run correctly. Hmmmm, is that Opera I see there? One thing of note, in case you ever want to muck around with HD parameters, I did a manual partitioning and set the i/o sync bit on the HD before installing /ext3. Maybe that'll get rid of my problem with viewing 3000 thumbs or burning a DVD with a lot of files. __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933
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10-02-2006, 01:55 PM	#64
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	You guys have noticed the DRM certificates, right? You know where the repositories / backup to are, right? Is that a listen daemon running? hmmm. __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933
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10-04-2006, 08:03 PM	#65
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	G4 (PPC) Ubuntu Dapper installed just fine on my G4-500 with an ATI Rage128 card. So if you have the same you may want to give it a try. Unfortunately it defaults to 1024x768. Some hacking is probably in order. I find that it takes a little longer to boot up than OSX, though. Firefox doesn't seem to like playing QTime videos, though (I installed Automatix). __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933
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10-07-2006, 06:45 AM	#66
XenoS_abx Alien Invader Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,300	I'm considering giving Xubuntu or Ubuntu a trial run again since I do like them, and maybe try to stick with it longer this time if for no other reason than to perhap improve my understanding of Linux and how it all works. It may come in handy down the line, what with XP's days being numbered thanks to Vista. In the past, my difficulties usually involved getting drivers installed and working correctly, and I've ended up just throwing in the towel due to frustration more often than not. So, I was really hoping that maybe someone here could give me a link to what most would consider the best Linux/Ubuntu forum out there. A place where it's perfectly alright for a Linux noob such as myself to ask what may seem like stupid questions, where I won't be ignored and actually get good knowledgable answers. I've already looked at the stickies here but that didn't really help me with what I'm specifically seeking. Thanks all! __________________ My Rig: DFI LANparty NF4 SLI-DR + Evercool VC-RE (NF4LD406 BIOS) \| AMD64 X2 4400+ @ 2.5 GHz \| Thermalright SI-120 + Aerocool Xtreme Turbine \| Mushkin Redline 2GB DDR500 3-3-2-8 @ 500 MHz \| eVGA 7950 GX2 (500/1200) \| Dell 2405FPW 24" LCD \| Two 74GB Western Digital Raptors (00FLC0) \| Two 300GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10's \| LG GSA-4167B DL DVD/R/RW \| Creative X-Fi Platinum \| Logitech Z-5500 Speakers \| Aerocool ZeroDBA 620W PSU \| Cooler Master Stacker 830 Case \| Sunbeam Rheobus \| Logitech G15 Keyboard \| Logitech MX-1000 Mouse \| D-Link DGL-4300 Router \| Belkin Universal UPS 800VA
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10-07-2006, 06:40 PM	#67
wallijonn PHX Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,569	You may want to try SimplyMephis (for which Automatix also does its thing for). When it comes to things like drivers it comes down to trying every distro out there and then seeing which one works best for you. Basically you have Debian based distros, Red Hat Management (RPM) distros, and the rest (Gentoo is in a world all its own - it may take 24 hours to compile a kernel just for your machine. I can't be bothered, anymore.) Me, I HATE KDE. I am a GNOME man. I HATE KDE's Crystal theme - it burns my retinas. It just feels too cartoony. But there something to be said for SuSE's SaX2 utility. You won't appreciate it until you change monitors. Then Ubuntu becomes a real pain. Or change your NIC and see if you can do a re-scan. If you really want to know the insides of Linux you may want to try Slackware. As far as "stupid" questions go, so long as it is not distro specific, just do a google for 'linux forum'. You should get a hundred hits. The place to start is www.distrowatch.com and www.OSDir.com If you have a nVidi graphics card I'd go with a distro that has a XGL version, like Dream Linux http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/saiba-xgl.html or Sabayon http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ It's basically what Vista and the next OSX wants to be, except instead of desklets, Vista calls it widgets. OSX 10.2 is basically Engage E17 at work. It wasn't until OSX 10.3 that desklets made the scene. The next OSX (10.4) will have transparencies, flips, strips, etc. And multiple desktops. Believe me when I tell you that OSX 10.2 without 4 desktops is a p.i.t.a. At work I have to use 4 desktops with WXP. Minimising windows or hitting the desktop button is too slow. If you are using WXP, go to Microsoft's powertoys section and download the desktop management "toy". it will give you 4 desktps to work with, just like Linux. You can even give a different desktop picture to each desktop, just like KDE (but not GNOME). http://www.groovyweb.uklinux.net/?pa...ux%20tutorials http://www.linuxlinks.com/Beginners/ http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/links.html http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=73 http://www.linuxlots.com/~jam/index.html http://www.linux.org/ http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html http://www.openfree.org/forums/ __________________ D875PBZLK, MAC G4-933 Last edited by wallijonn : 10-07-2006 at 07:25 PM.
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10-08-2006, 12:35 PM	#69
John64 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,449	i hate how KDE apps have no consistency. Every GNOME app looks the same, and has very similar menu entries. KDE is different in each app, not to mention the feature bloat, and its slow! __________________
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10-08-2006, 02:38 PM	#70
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,222	KDE/Gnome tends to be a matter of preference. I find Gnome to be "dumbed down." (Gnome developers have even admitted that they like to "protect users" from making a lot of nasty decisions. ) It seems to me that people are less restricted with KDE and I like the flexibility. Let me add that some distributions like Linspire use elements of both in their desktop environment.
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10-09-2006, 06:05 AM	#71
BoWevil_abx Non-expert Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Traveling full time Posts: 1,857	I have used Ubuntu for 6-8 months, and I really like it. I had no problem installing a Linksys USB wireless network adapter (WUSB11), but on every reboot, to have an internet connection, I have to inactivate wlan0, then reactivate it. I edited the network interface file and commented out the references to eth0 and made sure that wlan0 was set to auto, but I still have to reset on every reboot because for some reason there is no default internet connection, regardless of what the /etc/network/interfaces file indicates By the way, I found that using ndisgtk (a gui) made installing wireless drivers much easier than using the command line.
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