Ubuntu 7.04 Released

[pointreyes]

Originally Posted by Fraoch

I know what all those words mean, I just don't know what they mean together.

Is it like shifting the paradigm? Redeploying rediscovered assets?

Eclipse is an IDE plus more. For example, I can build a Java app and develop the UML all within the IDE.

[Fraoch]

Originally Posted by pointreyes

Eclipse is an IDE plus more. For example, I can build a Java app and develop the UML all within the IDE.

Oh.

I'll stop typing now.

[wallijonn]

Well here's my list of problems:

Dapper - started updates. It updated my nVidia driver and XORG blew up. (I had manually updated it to the latest and all was fine.) I was finally able to get it up to the point where I was able to backup my data to DVDR. But if the screensaver kicked in then the backup would abort.

Feisty - Clean install. Takes forever to come to the desktop. I believe that it is because it is doing a SATA scan even though SATA is disabled.

After the initial install I did the updates. nVidia blew up XORG.

I had to remove the SATA drive cable because it kept wanting to resize it. When I chose Manual partitioning it wouldn't partition the IDE drive correctly.

I decided to do two partitions, 1 for Linux, 1 as FAT32 for backup purposes. It somehow created partition overlap. Drive could not be seen. {nVidia driver only allows me to set my monitor to 1024x768. Installed nVidia control panel through SPM. nVidia blew up Xorg.} Had to reseat the IDE cable. W98SE only saw 48GB of the 120GB drive. Booted up Slackware 9 to run cfdisk. Created two partitions and swap. Re-installed Feisty. This time I immediately went to Home of Automatix and had it install the nVidia driver. I still can't get a 1600x1200 resolution on my 21" monitor.

So, do I install the nVidia XORG control panel or the nVidia Settings? I already know that the nVidia Settings package blows up X11, so...

Man, am I glad that I didn't use the resize wizard on my XP SATA drive.

No sound.

I really want Feisty to work since it seems to be built upon SELinux, but...

[wallijonn]

Originally Posted by Fraoch

Oh.

I'll stop typing now.

Pointy,

IDE = Internet Developer Environment ?

[wallijonn]

Before: 3 resolutions.
System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects.
Installs nvidia-glx 1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-15.20
Now there are 8 different resolutions and 8 different refresh rates. But no 60Hz like before. And nothing higher than 1024x768.

hmmm.

[Moop]

I found getting the right resolution kind of tricky too. You can specify what resolution you want to use when you first boot from the cd by pressing F4. After the install and the nvidia driver install I use nvidia-settings to set up the monitor. I have a Viewsonic A90f+ but it was never recognized and I had to manually select it from a list.

[pointreyes]

Originally Posted by wallijonn

Pointy,

IDE = Internet Developer Environment ?

Integrated Development Environment

[Fraoch]

Ooh, now that I have two Ubuntu PCs, I am loving NFS for networking!

It's so fast! Windows networking and Samba was always really slow for me, this is just instantaneous.

I followed this handy how-to:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo

The only thing that didn't work was autofs. DO NOT INSTALL AUTOFS! My PC bogged right down and then I lost access to all my files and folders! I'll have to specify a static mount point. Seems easy enough, but I wonder what will happen when the PC boots up and the share isn't there. My main PC will be on all the time, the secondary one won't.

[Fraoch]

Originally Posted by Fraoch

It's so fast! Windows networking and Samba was always really slow for me, this is just instantaneous.

Here I was just talking about how quickly network shares appear, but now I'm transferring about 4 GB of music files and it's taking place at 11.7 MB/s...that's 93.6 Mbps. Can't get much faster than that on a 100 Mbps network, now can you?

My AMD Duron is working at 30-60% load doing this while my C2D is cruising along at 2-8% on one core.

[yamawho]

I just downloaded and ran the live cd on a P4C800e deluxe and all seems to work out of the box. Very clean looking ... I have mostly always used KDE so this is different.

[Fraoch]

Drat, I had to get rid of NFS. It really doesn't like when the PC you're sharing a folder with isn't running. It will freeze on trying to display the shared directory. There are ways of trying to get it to do this - fstab mounting options "hard" and "soft" with "timeo" timeouts, but they are arranged strangely - "hard" will error out, crashing any program trying to display the folder that you're sharing, "soft" will retry forever. So neither work well. I just wish there was an option to have it not display the share's contents, not error out or try forever, because that also eliminates access to the local folder where the share was mounted.

I'll be forced to use samba. It's OK, but no NFS. At least there's a path between the two PCs and the Windows laptop. It just feels more like a straw now than a big fat pipe.

Also it looks like NFS server (or client?) was really sucking the resources down on the secondary PC. It was becoming unusable, yet the System Monitor didn't show anything unusual.

My remaining annoyance is an odd windows manager problem that cropped up on its own when I tried to pull up networking tools. The PC froze at 100% load. System Monitor showed one process taking up 100% CPU so I killed it. Something funny happened and ever since I keep losing my menu bars - something about compiz has an undefined value "" in it.

[Moop]

Originally Posted by yamawho

I just downloaded and ran the live cd on a P4C800e deluxe and all seems to work out of the box. Very clean looking ... I have mostly always used KDE so this is different.

I've always prefered KDE too and I tried Kubuntu but ended up going back to Ubuntu. It just seems easier to deal with.

[Fraoch]

I guess KDE has negative connotations for me.

I associate it with all those distros I tried 4-5 years ago that never worked.

Ubuntu/GNOME was a breath of fresh air. It looked so clean and nice, everything worked, and there was a whole whack of applications I was already using in Windows (Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, etc.) Part of the reason I didn't like KDE was that all the applications were new and were all named k-something.

Given that the kernel has improved for hardware support and that things have gotten easier in so many ways, I don't doubt that distros using KDE are just as good, but there's no going back for me now.

[yamawho]

Originally Posted by Cactus

I've always prefered KDE too and I tried Kubuntu but ended up going back to Ubuntu. It just seems easier to deal with.

I downloaded kubuntu 7.04 but I get a black screen early in the install on the same system that ubuntu ran great on last night.

[wallijonn]

Originally Posted by Fraoch

I guess KDE has negative connotations for me.

I associate it with all those distros I tried 4-5 years ago that never worked.

Ubuntu/GNOME was a breath of fresh air. It looked so clean and nice, everything worked, and there was a whole whack of applications I was already using in Windows (Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, etc.) Part of the reason I didn't like KDE was that all the applications were new and were all named k-something.

Given that the kernel has improved for hardware support and that things have gotten easier in so many ways, I don't doubt that distros using KDE are just as good, but there's no going back for me now.

Here, here. I love GNOME and hate the kiddie bright and colourful icons of KDE. I just wish that GNOME allowed you to have individual desktop wallpapers. And many times you can't work with icon files from within GNOME, you have to boot into KDE to be able to manipulate them. Remember when CD burning meant installing KDE apps?