Converting IDE to SATA2 - Page 2

traveler · 04-20-2007, 03:27 AM

No problem.

Looks like my two WD5000YS RE2 hard drives are going to be plugged into the two SATA1 ports on the motherboard as soon as they get here.

I will be using a 4-pin molex to SATA power adapter to power them.

Should I get SATA2 cables? Or will the SATA1 cables be ok?

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traveler · 04-24-2007, 10:18 PM

Well ....

One new WD5000YS RE2 drive in and running.

P4P800 deluxe immediately detected the new hard drive. Windows did not until after I ran Partition Magic 8 and formated.

Anyone ever have a SATA data cable pop off? They sure are not as tight as IDE cables.

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zapionics<alt> · 04-24-2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traveler

...Anyone ever have a SATA data cable pop off? They sure are not as tight as IDE cables.

Nope, not yet anyways. I just keep my

because they sure seem pretty loose.

DarkEdge · 05-02-2007, 07:43 PM

Hey, can I ride this wave too?

I'm doing the same thing but I'm a nOob so if peps could take a minute to make sure what I'm doing is okay I would really appreciate it.

My system is about 2 years old so the power supply are the old cable type (sorry don't know the power supply manufactor). My current hard disk is a Maxtor 6B250RO and my current mobo is a Asus P4P800 Deluxe.

My new system will be a Asus P5B Deluxe mobo, Corsair HX520watt power supply and a Maxtor MaxLinePro 500 7H500F0 SATA.

Without having a clue I'm thinking I should get the Abit Serillel adapter so I can mirror the os over to my new hard drive (???). And would I do this in my old rig? Or should I build my beast and then stick the old hard drive in there and mirror?

Thanks for helping and I'm sorry if I'm asking something that you all have already answered. I've read the whole thread but a lot of this stuff kind of flies over me head.

traveler · 05-02-2007, 09:37 PM

Mirror the OS? What do you mean by that?

Do a fresh install on a new computer. Otherwise you will have "things" you don't want cluttering up your new system.

And if I'm not mistaken, you will need to buy a new copy of XP. Your XP home will not run (activate) on any other computer. But what do I know. I run win2000 and avoid all that.

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3 of 7 · 05-02-2007, 11:01 PM

Build your beast then re-install....
Your XP will activate just fine, just phone the number you get if it fails and talk to the nice gentleman in a faraway land, he'll be happy to hear that you've replaced the faulty hard drive that crashed...... Be sure to assure him it's the only computer this is installed on and you'll be just peachy...

zapionics<alt> · 05-02-2007, 11:11 PM

I agree, its always best to do a fresh install otherwise the systems performance could be degraded due to loading of unecessary drivers and configuration settings with possible conflicts.
(Its because your new system has a different chipset and therefore uses different devices.) Of course you will have to reinstall all your software and applications after Xp is installed.

You could clone the disks as you said. On first boot up the system would then attempt to install the new devices. It may work ok and run with reasonable performance but I believe you would be creating a rod for your back if you go that way.

After you load Xp onto the new system you will be required (by Micro$oft) to activate it, just follow the instructions after you boot it up, (assuming your licence allows for this).

DarkEdge · 05-02-2007, 11:40 PM

Thank you all for your comments.
It's always a pleasure to talk with Mr. Gates (again!)

But what you say makes a lot of sense.

traveler · 05-03-2007, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapionics<alt>

[snip]

After you load Xp onto the new system you will be required (by Micro$oft) to activate it, just follow the instructions after you boot it up, (assuming your licence allows for this).

That's the part I'm not sure about. Doesn't the License for XP Home (as compared to XP Pro) allow for the installation to only one specific motherboard? (RMA your motherboard and the replacement is ok, but upgrade to a newer different motherboard and M$ says go buy a new OS copy)

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zapionics<alt> · 05-03-2007, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traveler

That's the part I'm not sure about. Doesn't the License for XP Home (as compared to XP Pro) allow for the installation to only one specific motherboard? (RMA your motherboard and the replacement is ok, but upgrade to a newer different motherboard and M$ says go buy a new OS copy)

Xp home? Its the same as pro. They tie preloaded versions to the systems bios (ie DELL or HP, etc), but not retail versions. OEM has very limited activation policy.

traveler · 05-04-2007, 03:33 AM

Back to the IDE to SATA subject.

Although Western Digital has standard four pin power connectors on these hard drives, and I am using them at the moment, should I start using the SATA power connecters?

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**k0NG0** · 05-04-2007, 03:44 AM

Unless you're running out of Molex connectors or are planning on starting to hot-swap drives, there's no need to switch connectors. It's the same power either way.

For hot-swapping, the SATA power connector is a must, because it's constructed to connect the ground plane first of all, by having the ground pins (or "ground lips" since it's an edge-connector of sorts) be longer than the +12V and +5V pins. It's necessary to have a stable ground connection before power is applied, to avoid all sorts of nasty things such as fritzed logic and whatnot.

Molex connectors are entirely hot-swap unfriendly, since all pins are equally long, which means a stable ground plane isn't an absolute certainty. (One other reason is of course the fact that it's usually easier uncorking wine with psychokinesis than it is to remove Molex power connectors from HDDs.)

04-20-2007, 03:27 AM	#16
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,178	No problem. Looks like my two WD5000YS RE2 hard drives are going to be plugged into the two SATA1 ports on the motherboard as soon as they get here. I will be using a 4-pin molex to SATA power adapter to power them. Should I get SATA2 cables? Or will the SATA1 cables be ok? __________________ Visit and chat with the Buds at the #ABxZone channel on EFnet Internet Relay Chat If you don't have it then download mIRC from www.mIRC.com
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04-24-2007, 10:18 PM	#17
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,178	Well .... One new WD5000YS RE2 drive in and running. P4P800 deluxe immediately detected the new hard drive. Windows did not until after I ran Partition Magic 8 and formated. Anyone ever have a SATA data cable pop off? They sure are not as tight as IDE cables. __________________ Visit and chat with the Buds at the #ABxZone channel on EFnet Internet Relay Chat If you don't have it then download mIRC from www.mIRC.com
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05-02-2007, 07:43 PM	#19
DarkEdge Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fallbrook Posts: 385	Hey, can I ride this wave too? I'm doing the same thing but I'm a nOob so if peps could take a minute to make sure what I'm doing is okay I would really appreciate it. My system is about 2 years old so the power supply are the old cable type (sorry don't know the power supply manufactor). My current hard disk is a Maxtor 6B250RO and my current mobo is a Asus P4P800 Deluxe. My new system will be a Asus P5B Deluxe mobo, Corsair HX520watt power supply and a Maxtor MaxLinePro 500 7H500F0 SATA. Without having a clue I'm thinking I should get the Abit Serillel adapter so I can mirror the os over to my new hard drive (???). And would I do this in my old rig? Or should I build my beast and then stick the old hard drive in there and mirror? Thanks for helping and I'm sorry if I'm asking something that you all have already answered. I've read the whole thread but a lot of this stuff kind of flies over me head. __________________ Committed to excellence through art... DarkEdgeDesign.com Asus P5B Deluxe Intel E6600 2.4GHz OCZ 2GB DDR2 PC2-8500 Dual Channel Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT OC 256MB Graphics Zalman 9700 Cooler Corsair CMPSU 520HX Watt Power Maxtor 500GB Serial ATA Harddrive
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05-02-2007, 09:37 PM	#20
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,178	Mirror the OS? What do you mean by that? Do a fresh install on a new computer. Otherwise you will have "things" you don't want cluttering up your new system. And if I'm not mistaken, you will need to buy a new copy of XP. Your XP home will not run (activate) on any other computer. But what do I know. I run win2000 and avoid all that. __________________ Asus P4P800 Deluxe Intel P4 3.2 Extreme Edition @ 3.47 / Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu / Arctic Silver Ceramique 2x512 Mushkin PC3500 222 Black Hi Performance Level II ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon X800 XT / Samsung Syncmaster 215TW 21" Wide Screen LCD Two Western Digital RE2 500 Gb YS Raid Edition SATA hdd's Two Western Digital 250 Gb Raid Edition hdd's Two Western Digital My Book 500 Gb external USB2/Firewire hard drives LiteOn 165H6S DVD Super AllWriter / LiteOn 166s 16x DVD-Rom Onboard LAN Antec SX1240 full tower Soundblaster Audigy 2 zs Platinum / CambridgeSoundworks 5.1 DTT 3500 Digital Speakers Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Razer eXactMat + eXactRest win2000
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05-02-2007, 11:01 PM	#21
3 of 7 You can run..... Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,660	Build your beast then re-install.... Your XP will activate just fine, just phone the number you get if it fails and talk to the nice gentleman in a faraway land, he'll be happy to hear that you've replaced the faulty hard drive that crashed...... Be sure to assure him it's the only computer this is installed on and you'll be just peachy... __________________
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05-02-2007, 11:11 PM	#22
zapionics<alt> <unknown level> Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 2,954	I agree, its always best to do a fresh install otherwise the systems performance could be degraded due to loading of unecessary drivers and configuration settings with possible conflicts. (Its because your new system has a different chipset and therefore uses different devices.) Of course you will have to reinstall all your software and applications after Xp is installed. You could clone the disks as you said. On first boot up the system would then attempt to install the new devices. It may work ok and run with reasonable performance but I believe you would be creating a rod for your back if you go that way. After you load Xp onto the new system you will be required (by Micro$oft) to activate it, just follow the instructions after you boot it up, (assuming your licence allows for this). __________________ * Please note: any advertising within this post has been placed there by the site owner and NOT by me! * "To Boldly Go..."
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05-02-2007, 11:40 PM	#23
DarkEdge Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fallbrook Posts: 385	Thank you all for your comments. It's always a pleasure to talk with Mr. Gates (again!) But what you say makes a lot of sense. __________________ Committed to excellence through art... DarkEdgeDesign.com Asus P5B Deluxe Intel E6600 2.4GHz OCZ 2GB DDR2 PC2-8500 Dual Channel Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT OC 256MB Graphics Zalman 9700 Cooler Corsair CMPSU 520HX Watt Power Maxtor 500GB Serial ATA Harddrive
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05-04-2007, 03:33 AM	#26
traveler Where to next? Join Date: May 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 18,178	Back to the IDE to SATA subject. Although Western Digital has standard four pin power connectors on these hard drives, and I am using them at the moment, should I start using the SATA power connecters? __________________ Asus P4P800 Deluxe Intel P4 3.2 Extreme Edition @ 3.47 / Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu / Arctic Silver Ceramique 2x512 Mushkin PC3500 222 Black Hi Performance Level II ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon X800 XT / Samsung Syncmaster 215TW 21" Wide Screen LCD Two Western Digital RE2 500 Gb YS Raid Edition SATA hdd's Two Western Digital 250 Gb Raid Edition hdd's Two Western Digital My Book 500 Gb external USB2/Firewire hard drives LiteOn 165H6S DVD Super AllWriter / LiteOn 166s 16x DVD-Rom Onboard LAN Antec SX1240 full tower Soundblaster Audigy 2 zs Platinum / CambridgeSoundworks 5.1 DTT 3500 Digital Speakers Logitech G5 Laser Mouse Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Razer eXactMat + eXactRest win2000
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05-04-2007, 03:44 AM	#27
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,630	Unless you're running out of Molex connectors or are planning on starting to hot-swap drives, there's no need to switch connectors. It's the same power either way. For hot-swapping, the SATA power connector is a must, because it's constructed to connect the ground plane first of all, by having the ground pins (or "ground lips" since it's an edge-connector of sorts) be longer than the +12V and +5V pins. It's necessary to have a stable ground connection before power is applied, to avoid all sorts of nasty things such as fritzed logic and whatnot. Molex connectors are entirely hot-swap unfriendly, since all pins are equally long, which means a stable ground plane isn't an absolute certainty. (One other reason is of course the fact that it's usually easier uncorking wine with psychokinesis than it is to remove Molex power connectors from HDDs.) __________________ Use Firefox - "the one that blocks all the schmutz" Feeling multicore elation? Remember this correlation: Amdahl's Law.
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