Dry Ice + Beer

Xtraneous · 08-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Hey,

Does anyone have any experience's with cooling Beer with dry ice? Namely, will the beer freeze?

JaGWiRE_abx · 08-01-2005, 11:08 PM

Why would you want to do that? I must ask, my curiosutity is just dieing, use that on your cpu pleaasee!! Don't let it go to waiste!!

Anyway, I'de think it'de be safe, as long as the glass bottle can handle it. Beer has a base made off of water I think and it might just freeze, dry ice is only around -60c or so, so it wouldn't be that much colder for products then it would be a cold winter in canada.

Heres a wikipedia image of it cooling some drinks in NY.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...65/Dry_ice.jpg

Pic tooken 2 weeks before I was there :P.

Xtraneous · 08-01-2005, 11:17 PM

Hmm, considering I have only have my laptop with me (and I am all the way across the country from home), I think I'll avoid adding the dry ice to my cpu!

Thanks for the image!

ronbo 613 · 08-02-2005, 12:04 AM

I can say with absolute scientific certainty that Budweiser freezes at -5F, exploding the bottles. It may freeze at a slightly warmer temperature, but because I was consuming some unfrozen bottles, I did not notice until I went outside to get the others, they had beersploded from the cold.

izibo · 08-02-2005, 01:29 AM

Completely safe to try... just add slowly and for god's sake... don't put a cap on the beer!

The only time it might become unsafe is if the entire top of the beer freezes with dry ice trapped beneath... that wouldn't be good.

SupDawg · 08-02-2005, 02:40 AM

Here is a dumb question. Is dry ice atually water based ice? I know it's too cold to eat, but is it some kind of toxic chemical?

Xtraneous · 08-02-2005, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupDawg

Here is a dumb question. Is dry ice atually water based ice? I know it's too cold to eat, but is it some kind of toxic chemical?

Dry ice is just COO\CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) in its solid form - ie: at around -56.6 degrees C.

EDIT: It's as toxic as the air you breathe

. Well, in really high concentrations it can cause asphyxiation. Since respiration works by simple diffusion, once can lose the ability to 'breathe out" carbon dioxide since the surrounding air will have a higher concentration than your blood.

(Well, technically, the concentration of CO2 has to be really high for it to happen that way -- our bodies are truly amazing in that they are able to compensate for so many different variables. In an enviornment with increased levels of CO2, your body reacts by lowering the pH of the blood (by consuming the CO2), which casues more oxygen to be released by the hemoglobin in your blood, which casues.... If you are still curious, check out: Respiration )

Xtraneous · 08-02-2005, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronbo 613

I can say with absolute scientific certainty that Budweiser freezes at -5F, exploding the bottles. It may freeze at a slightly warmer temperature, but because I was consuming some unfrozen bottles, I did not notice until I went outside to get the others, they had beersploded from the cold.

Lol, thanks! Actually, too late! I rescued the poor drink when I noticed it was half frozen (and still sealed in the bottle!).

izibo · 08-02-2005, 04:16 AM

While the biochemistry is interesting, a better answer would be this:

It's a gas thats not oxygen. If you don't have oxygen you will die. Like any other gas, use in a well ventilated area.

Deer Slayer · 08-02-2005, 04:45 AM

I tried to cool a beer down with dry ice one time, and I put a little piece in a 40! I had about 2 gallons of beer foam in less than 30 seconds! Not to mention an empty 40, that SUCKED ****, but it was cool at the same time! It was a beercano, complete with smoke (fog from the dry ice), and it made a helluva mess! Whatever you do, DO NOT cap the bottle after adding dry ice! My buddy watched me add the dry ice to my 40 to cool it, and he did the same, only he put the cap on, INSTANT BOMB! I caught him right as he got the cap on, and snagged it out of his hands before it blew and chucked it into the woods! POW, not even 2 seconds after I threw it! He said he figured the cap would keep it from foaming! There wasn't enough room for the dry ice to expand to a gas, and the bottle wasn't strong enough to take the pressure! The explosion resulted in a bunch of trees covered in beer foam, and a bunch of fog from the dry ice! It was actually pretty cool. What a waste of 2 perfectly good 40s!!! We had to make a beer run after that incident

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SupDawg · 08-02-2005, 04:51 AM

I can imagine a kid at some science fair making a Colt 45 volcano...

Lol..

guiness · 08-02-2005, 04:54 AM

Dang near fell outta me chair. !!!

JaGWiRE_abx · 08-02-2005, 07:13 AM

Dry ice is specifically known for the root beer trick of making fizz, it's quite neat actually.

I consider dry ice cool but over talked about. I always was curious why LN2 / liquid N7 is more expensive then dry CO2 when there is less CO2 in the world? Weird...

Dry ice has a theoretical temperature of around 7x celsius I beleive, this is quite high, but this is still not a killer like liquid nitrogen which has a theoretical temperature of -195c.

I have not seen each as I am 12, but I would think dry ice would just leave some bad scars on you if you touched it without gloves, yet liquid nitrogen would probably burn straight through your skin immediately feeling horrible as temperatures of LN2 will never be reached in real life outside as a temperature unlike low dry ice temperatures.

Liquid nitrogen I also believe is quite harder to get ahold of. Some places will sell you it, but you need a proper very expensive certified case to carry it around, then depending on what your using it for more items. For example, if you wanted to cool your cpu with it, you'de need to get a container ontop of your cpu and avoid all condensasion, it's quite a PITA and it runs out.. so yeah. LN2 can be high as like 12 dollars a litre, but if you do the mathematical formulas you can google it can help you figure out exactly how much you need, atleast for dry ice I found a calculator.

These are cool gases, and I see dry CO2 more of an item for daily applications, not something that can do unbelievabley spectacular coolings as liquid nitrogen can. As a matter of fact, dry ice will not kill you immediately if you put your head in a freezer with it, you would need to take breaths after a while and it would be possibe to suffocate, but not right away.

Gotta love oxygen?

Oh, and remember that dry co2 sinks to the ground and is heavier then air, enjoy!

izibo · 08-02-2005, 08:15 AM

I've picked up dry ice bear handed on many occassions... yes it starts to tingle, but it wont leave nasty burns unless you hold on for a couple seconds. I also work in a -80C freezer frequently and I often times use it without gloves... again, limited exposure ok but I wouldn't recommend doing it long term.

Liquid nitrogen can be really bad, but again... it's not as bad as you think. I work with the stuff a lot in the lab and you just want to be careful it doesn't get into your eye (bad things can happen as your eye is sensitive). I have had droplets get on my skin before, and it stung but didn't burn. Anything more then a few droplets will burn, but it wont 'burn through your skin immediately'. Cold burns similarly to hot, so imagine scalding water and that is a similar type of burn.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by real life temperatures? Dry ice is absolutely -78 C (or colder) degrees and Liquid N2 is absolutely -196 C (or colder)

If the temperature was any higher they would both be in gas form.

You are correct that dry ice will not kill you immediately. It would have the same effect as simply holding your breath or suffocating. It would take a good 5-8 minutes to kill an average person.

The reason why some gases, such as carbon monoxide, are so toxic is because they preferentially bind hemoglobin at rates 1000x greater then oxygen. What this means is that even in the presence of oxygen, carbon monoxide will get into your bloodstream and you will essentially suffocate.

JaGWiRE_abx · 08-02-2005, 08:56 AM

Izibo, what I mean't is that although they have an absolute temperature, if you took it out and put it on your cpu and maesured it with a digital temperature measurer, i'm qutie sure it wouldn't be -78.5c, but maybe -70c or lower, not higher.

I could see you touching liquid nitrogen and having some serioud damage though, don't really know why.

I don't think there really is anything colder that is a liquid or solid.

Another question I have is nitrogen becomes liquid at -210c or so, so why is it that it's absolute temeprature is -195c?

08-01-2005, 10:58 PM	#1
Xtraneous 83.2351%DysfunctionalGeeK Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Really Uncomfortable Chair, MI Posts: 615	Dry Ice + Beer Hey, Does anyone have any experience's with cooling Beer with dry ice? Namely, will the beer freeze? __________________ Following the rule of I before E, except after C is an exact Sceince. Formerly 83.2347%DysfunctionalGeeK... it upped after this incident
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08-01-2005, 11:08 PM	#2
JaGWiRE_abx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,912	Why would you want to do that? I must ask, my curiosutity is just dieing, use that on your cpu pleaasee!! Don't let it go to waiste!! Anyway, I'de think it'de be safe, as long as the glass bottle can handle it. Beer has a base made off of water I think and it might just freeze, dry ice is only around -60c or so, so it wouldn't be that much colder for products then it would be a cold winter in canada. Heres a wikipedia image of it cooling some drinks in NY. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...65/Dry_ice.jpg Pic tooken 2 weeks before I was there :P. __________________ DFI LAN PARTY UT NF4, Amd Athlon 3200+ 64 VENICE @ 2.5 ghz (250x4/x10), 1 GB (512x2 in dual channel, 150 divider) OCZ Premier 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.5-3-3-8, Sapphire Raedon X800XL, Zalman 7700-alcu, OCZ MODSTREAM 450W, Thermaltake Tsunami Silver w/ Window, 1x 250GB WD Sata150 HD, 1x Lite-on DVD-R/RW 1x Pioneer DVD-R/RW, Bios 6-18, Windows XP
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08-01-2005, 11:17 PM	#3
Xtraneous 83.2351%DysfunctionalGeeK Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Really Uncomfortable Chair, MI Posts: 615	Hmm, considering I have only have my laptop with me (and I am all the way across the country from home), I think I'll avoid adding the dry ice to my cpu! Thanks for the image! __________________ Following the rule of I before E, except after C is an exact Sceince. Formerly 83.2347%DysfunctionalGeeK... it upped after this incident
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08-02-2005, 12:04 AM	#4
ronbo 613 Computer User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,642	I can say with absolute scientific certainty that Budweiser freezes at -5F, exploding the bottles. It may freeze at a slightly warmer temperature, but because I was consuming some unfrozen bottles, I did not notice until I went outside to get the others, they had beersploded from the cold.
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08-02-2005, 01:29 AM	#5
izibo ABXpert Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,679	Completely safe to try... just add slowly and for god's sake... don't put a cap on the beer! The only time it might become unsafe is if the entire top of the beer freezes with dry ice trapped beneath... that wouldn't be good.
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08-02-2005, 02:40 AM	#6
SupDawg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,078	Here is a dumb question. Is dry ice atually water based ice? I know it's too cold to eat, but is it some kind of toxic chemical? __________________ The views expressed in this electronic dialogue are mine alone. "All physics are belong to me. " Kongo
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08-02-2005, 04:16 AM	#9
izibo ABXpert Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,679	While the biochemistry is interesting, a better answer would be this: It's a gas thats not oxygen. If you don't have oxygen you will die. Like any other gas, use in a well ventilated area.
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08-02-2005, 04:45 AM	#10
Deer Slayer Unscanable!!! Tatoo??? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Howell Michigan Posts: 3,844	Well, if you put it in the beer, it will FOAM LIKE MAD! I tried to cool a beer down with dry ice one time, and I put a little piece in a 40! I had about 2 gallons of beer foam in less than 30 seconds! Not to mention an empty 40, that SUCKED ****, but it was cool at the same time! It was a beercano, complete with smoke (fog from the dry ice), and it made a helluva mess! Whatever you do, DO NOT cap the bottle after adding dry ice! My buddy watched me add the dry ice to my 40 to cool it, and he did the same, only he put the cap on, INSTANT BOMB! I caught him right as he got the cap on, and snagged it out of his hands before it blew and chucked it into the woods! POW, not even 2 seconds after I threw it! He said he figured the cap would keep it from foaming! There wasn't enough room for the dry ice to expand to a gas, and the bottle wasn't strong enough to take the pressure! The explosion resulted in a bunch of trees covered in beer foam, and a bunch of fog from the dry ice! It was actually pretty cool. What a waste of 2 perfectly good 40s!!! We had to make a beer run after that incident .
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08-02-2005, 04:51 AM	#11
SupDawg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,078	I can imagine a kid at some science fair making a Colt 45 volcano... Lol.. __________________ The views expressed in this electronic dialogue are mine alone. "All physics are belong to me. " Kongo
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08-02-2005, 04:54 AM	#12
guiness Out Of The Wild Blue Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,270	Dang near fell outta me chair. !!!
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08-02-2005, 07:13 AM	#13
JaGWiRE_abx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,912	Dry ice is specifically known for the root beer trick of making fizz, it's quite neat actually. I consider dry ice cool but over talked about. I always was curious why LN2 / liquid N7 is more expensive then dry CO2 when there is less CO2 in the world? Weird... Dry ice has a theoretical temperature of around 7x celsius I beleive, this is quite high, but this is still not a killer like liquid nitrogen which has a theoretical temperature of -195c. I have not seen each as I am 12, but I would think dry ice would just leave some bad scars on you if you touched it without gloves, yet liquid nitrogen would probably burn straight through your skin immediately feeling horrible as temperatures of LN2 will never be reached in real life outside as a temperature unlike low dry ice temperatures. Liquid nitrogen I also believe is quite harder to get ahold of. Some places will sell you it, but you need a proper very expensive certified case to carry it around, then depending on what your using it for more items. For example, if you wanted to cool your cpu with it, you'de need to get a container ontop of your cpu and avoid all condensasion, it's quite a PITA and it runs out.. so yeah. LN2 can be high as like 12 dollars a litre, but if you do the mathematical formulas you can google it can help you figure out exactly how much you need, atleast for dry ice I found a calculator. These are cool gases, and I see dry CO2 more of an item for daily applications, not something that can do unbelievabley spectacular coolings as liquid nitrogen can. As a matter of fact, dry ice will not kill you immediately if you put your head in a freezer with it, you would need to take breaths after a while and it would be possibe to suffocate, but not right away. Gotta love oxygen? Oh, and remember that dry co2 sinks to the ground and is heavier then air, enjoy! __________________ DFI LAN PARTY UT NF4, Amd Athlon 3200+ 64 VENICE @ 2.5 ghz (250x4/x10), 1 GB (512x2 in dual channel, 150 divider) OCZ Premier 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.5-3-3-8, Sapphire Raedon X800XL, Zalman 7700-alcu, OCZ MODSTREAM 450W, Thermaltake Tsunami Silver w/ Window, 1x 250GB WD Sata150 HD, 1x Lite-on DVD-R/RW 1x Pioneer DVD-R/RW, Bios 6-18, Windows XP
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08-02-2005, 08:15 AM	#14
izibo ABXpert Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,679	I've picked up dry ice bear handed on many occassions... yes it starts to tingle, but it wont leave nasty burns unless you hold on for a couple seconds. I also work in a -80C freezer frequently and I often times use it without gloves... again, limited exposure ok but I wouldn't recommend doing it long term. Liquid nitrogen can be really bad, but again... it's not as bad as you think. I work with the stuff a lot in the lab and you just want to be careful it doesn't get into your eye (bad things can happen as your eye is sensitive). I have had droplets get on my skin before, and it stung but didn't burn. Anything more then a few droplets will burn, but it wont 'burn through your skin immediately'. Cold burns similarly to hot, so imagine scalding water and that is a similar type of burn. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by real life temperatures? Dry ice is absolutely -78 C (or colder) degrees and Liquid N2 is absolutely -196 C (or colder) If the temperature was any higher they would both be in gas form. You are correct that dry ice will not kill you immediately. It would have the same effect as simply holding your breath or suffocating. It would take a good 5-8 minutes to kill an average person. The reason why some gases, such as carbon monoxide, are so toxic is because they preferentially bind hemoglobin at rates 1000x greater then oxygen. What this means is that even in the presence of oxygen, carbon monoxide will get into your bloodstream and you will essentially suffocate.
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08-02-2005, 08:56 AM	#15
JaGWiRE_abx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,912	Izibo, what I mean't is that although they have an absolute temperature, if you took it out and put it on your cpu and maesured it with a digital temperature measurer, i'm qutie sure it wouldn't be -78.5c, but maybe -70c or lower, not higher. I could see you touching liquid nitrogen and having some serioud damage though, don't really know why. I don't think there really is anything colder that is a liquid or solid. Another question I have is nitrogen becomes liquid at -210c or so, so why is it that it's absolute temeprature is -195c? __________________ DFI LAN PARTY UT NF4, Amd Athlon 3200+ 64 VENICE @ 2.5 ghz (250x4/x10), 1 GB (512x2 in dual channel, 150 divider) OCZ Premier 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.5-3-3-8, Sapphire Raedon X800XL, Zalman 7700-alcu, OCZ MODSTREAM 450W, Thermaltake Tsunami Silver w/ Window, 1x 250GB WD Sata150 HD, 1x Lite-on DVD-R/RW 1x Pioneer DVD-R/RW, Bios 6-18, Windows XP
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