i call this loosing it up

TeeDeck · 07-11-2001, 10:58 PM

**SubZero** · 07-12-2001, 04:50 AM

Personally I think MicroSlug makes a fool out of themselves when they set licensing agreements with 'puter manufacturers that include not removing simple things like shortcuts... If the end-user whether corporate or home wants it out of there, it's out of there...

A lot of business 'puters are pre-mastered by the retailer and they'll follow the wishes of their client anyway.

Like I said, I think MicroShaft is making a fool out of themselves.... their arrogance still stuns me sometimes...

TeeDeck · 07-12-2001, 08:04 AM

I agree but on the other hand, I see something else happening in the last year. As much as people hate "MicroSlug", they are putting pressure on them to alter or modify their OS. Five years ago, you got what you got with Microsoft Windows.

People fail to realize that this hobby that I have acquired would not have been possible without the break-through of Win3.1 and Win95. This so-called computer revolution helped us all one way or another. We are all or most of us, using quite a bit of software from Microsoft. I know, I know, Microsoft software sucks, but it does bring other companies into the race. I'm sure that some companies are saying....If Microsoft can make money at this, we sure can!!!. I believe the only reason Gates got as far as he did, was that no one was prepared for the "PC in every home concept" and were caught off-guard. When gates purchased the OS from IBM, he had one idea and one idea only, to make it user friendly.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not an advocate of Gates or the way Microsoft handles its business, but I do have to hand to him. Its because of him that I'm having a ball with this pc and why the wife thinks i'm crazy (which is good, she leaves me alone when i'm trying new stuff). Competition is good in business if its done right. I think Microsoft just tried to keep ahead of everyone and somehow lost track of what the idea of "user friendly pc" was. I'm not really against Microsoft breaking up but after all, they did put us where we are today.

Just my 2 bits

**SubZero** · 07-12-2001, 09:02 AM

Good points... Actually my opinion of Microsoft isn't that bad anymore. I used to follow along with those 'microshaft/slug/soft suxx' haters and for a long while there was actually a lot of reason for hating microsoft. However, since they put together W2K my opinion has changed somewhat. Although I still resent the arrogance and monopolizing habbit of microsoft, they did put together a pretty good OS.

I haven't tried out XP yet but from what I've heard heard up till now it's far better than W2K. If that's true we should maybe stop complaining about side-issues like licensing methods and small issues like forcing icons on a desktop and start looking whether we get or money's worth when we lay down $300 or something for a good OS. Linux is a pretty good alternative but not for the avarage home-user. The MAC is far more original and innovative than Windows but lacks the bulk of software available for the PC market....

I got interested in computing way before there was even a i8088 cpu on the market and way before MS-DOS hit the streets but I'm not sure if I would have kept my interest if there hadn't been something like w3.x and W95... IT has been my hobby for a long time and has been paying the bills for a number of years and that will probably not change anytime soon. Not sure though if I can keep my home-lan operational when I have to pay for each OS I install on every individual computer in my network... Actually only 2 'puters hooked up right now but that'll change soon!

Time will tell.....

TeeDeck · 07-12-2001, 09:30 AM

I'm still putting along with win98SE for now. Had win2k and 98 as dual boot for a while, but too many conflicts with my gear. I would have to play with XP on another machine before I install it on this one.

I can see myself two years from now, on some forum, asking questions and getting replies like.......Why are you STILL using win98SE? That's ancient!!! What can I say, i'm a sentimental stable old fool

p.s I've only been into pc's for about 4 years now and it paid off big time. I get a dozen phone calls a week, hundreds at work asking questions like...how does this work? It gets tiresome sometimes when its the same person but its nice to know the boss will come to you for answers and solutions when you're not even a tech (we don't have one, small business)

cryogen_abx · 07-12-2001, 10:37 AM

hmmm...m$..what can one say
all good points. i also saw a link yesterday, where m$ is actually including an un-installer for IE now too..part of the court games....
that is intersting i think.
i don't 'hate' m$. i disagree with a lot of the things they do, but i also am not very 'business like'.
they have had a huge effect on the pc business..if windows never came out, we would still be using dos/unix, or some primitive variant of windows....m$ spearheaded this, and we all owe them
for that. not that much, but we do

these licensing agreement and shortcut crap is a pile of legal crap in my book, and a facet of our culture i wish would die.
i know that sounds naive, but its what i think
XP is another thing tho...some of the 'new' tricks they are trying now totally eclipse a little integrated browser.
i think they should stop worrying about a 3 year old case, and its ramifications, and look at what they are doin now!
oh well..big business thrives on all this BS..i wish that would die too
just my 2c....
cryogen

memphist0 · 07-12-2001, 12:22 PM

This may sound really naive, but what has MS done that is so bad. They are just a group of people that are business together trying to guess if what they are doing is going to sell. Granted they have dominated the market for awhile now but I think there are reasons for that.

As much as we complain about stability of MS OSs or certain things it contains, but very few people have gone to another OS. Hell Linux is free and you can download a couple of different free Office Suites but other than the buzz a couple years ago where has it gone.

I know the diehard types love Linux becuse it represents freedom from a psueso preconfigured OS but I have heard almost all of them complain about Linux being behind their hardware. Either problems with things like ATA100 or USB when they were released or drivers acting flaky for other things.

07-11-2001, 10:58 PM	#1
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07-12-2001, 04:50 AM	#2
SubZero Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Below sealevel Posts: 9,665	Personally I think MicroSlug makes a fool out of themselves when they set licensing agreements with 'puter manufacturers that include not removing simple things like shortcuts... If the end-user whether corporate or home wants it out of there, it's out of there... A lot of business 'puters are pre-mastered by the retailer and they'll follow the wishes of their client anyway. Like I said, I think MicroShaft is making a fool out of themselves.... their arrogance still stuns me sometimes... __________________ Main Rig: Asus P5K \| Intel Core Quad Q6600 \| Corsair XMS 6400-4gig eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3 \| X-Fi ExtremeMusic \| Z-5500D OCZ GameXstream 850W \| ThermalTake Aguila \| Logitech G-15 Logitech MX1000 \| Synology DS-207+ NAS (2x500WD-SATA2-RAID0)
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07-12-2001, 08:04 AM	#3
TeeDeck Clubhouse Fly Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Collingwood, Ontario Posts: 817	I agree but on the other hand, I see something else happening in the last year. As much as people hate "MicroSlug", they are putting pressure on them to alter or modify their OS. Five years ago, you got what you got with Microsoft Windows. People fail to realize that this hobby that I have acquired would not have been possible without the break-through of Win3.1 and Win95. This so-called computer revolution helped us all one way or another. We are all or most of us, using quite a bit of software from Microsoft. I know, I know, Microsoft software sucks, but it does bring other companies into the race. I'm sure that some companies are saying....If Microsoft can make money at this, we sure can!!!. I believe the only reason Gates got as far as he did, was that no one was prepared for the "PC in every home concept" and were caught off-guard. When gates purchased the OS from IBM, he had one idea and one idea only, to make it user friendly. Now don't get me wrong, i'm not an advocate of Gates or the way Microsoft handles its business, but I do have to hand to him. Its because of him that I'm having a ball with this pc and why the wife thinks i'm crazy (which is good, she leaves me alone when i'm trying new stuff). Competition is good in business if its done right. I think Microsoft just tried to keep ahead of everyone and somehow lost track of what the idea of "user friendly pc" was. I'm not really against Microsoft breaking up but after all, they did put us where we are today. Just my 2 bits __________________ "If the government hasn't taxed it, licensed it, or regulated it, it probably isn't worth much" Murphy's Laws on Justice
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07-12-2001, 09:02 AM	#4
SubZero Moderator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Below sealevel Posts: 9,665	Good points... Actually my opinion of Microsoft isn't that bad anymore. I used to follow along with those 'microshaft/slug/soft suxx' haters and for a long while there was actually a lot of reason for hating microsoft. However, since they put together W2K my opinion has changed somewhat. Although I still resent the arrogance and monopolizing habbit of microsoft, they did put together a pretty good OS. I haven't tried out XP yet but from what I've heard heard up till now it's far better than W2K. If that's true we should maybe stop complaining about side-issues like licensing methods and small issues like forcing icons on a desktop and start looking whether we get or money's worth when we lay down $300 or something for a good OS. Linux is a pretty good alternative but not for the avarage home-user. The MAC is far more original and innovative than Windows but lacks the bulk of software available for the PC market.... I got interested in computing way before there was even a i8088 cpu on the market and way before MS-DOS hit the streets but I'm not sure if I would have kept my interest if there hadn't been something like w3.x and W95... IT has been my hobby for a long time and has been paying the bills for a number of years and that will probably not change anytime soon. Not sure though if I can keep my home-lan operational when I have to pay for each OS I install on every individual computer in my network... Actually only 2 'puters hooked up right now but that'll change soon! Time will tell..... __________________ Main Rig: Asus P5K \| Intel Core Quad Q6600 \| Corsair XMS 6400-4gig eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3 \| X-Fi ExtremeMusic \| Z-5500D OCZ GameXstream 850W \| ThermalTake Aguila \| Logitech G-15 Logitech MX1000 \| Synology DS-207+ NAS (2x500WD-SATA2-RAID0)
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07-12-2001, 09:30 AM	#5
TeeDeck Clubhouse Fly Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Collingwood, Ontario Posts: 817	I'm still putting along with win98SE for now. Had win2k and 98 as dual boot for a while, but too many conflicts with my gear. I would have to play with XP on another machine before I install it on this one. I can see myself two years from now, on some forum, asking questions and getting replies like.......Why are you STILL using win98SE? That's ancient!!! What can I say, i'm a sentimental stable old fool p.s I've only been into pc's for about 4 years now and it paid off big time. I get a dozen phone calls a week, hundreds at work asking questions like...how does this work? It gets tiresome sometimes when its the same person but its nice to know the boss will come to you for answers and solutions when you're not even a tech (we don't have one, small business) __________________ "If the government hasn't taxed it, licensed it, or regulated it, it probably isn't worth much" Murphy's Laws on Justice
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07-12-2001, 10:37 AM	#6
cryogen_abx Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Halifax N.S Canada Posts: 1,350	hmmm...m$..what can one say all good points. i also saw a link yesterday, where m$ is actually including an un-installer for IE now too..part of the court games.... that is intersting i think. i don't 'hate' m$. i disagree with a lot of the things they do, but i also am not very 'business like'. they have had a huge effect on the pc business..if windows never came out, we would still be using dos/unix, or some primitive variant of windows....m$ spearheaded this, and we all owe them for that. not that much, but we do these licensing agreement and shortcut crap is a pile of legal crap in my book, and a facet of our culture i wish would die. i know that sounds naive, but its what i think XP is another thing tho...some of the 'new' tricks they are trying now totally eclipse a little integrated browser. i think they should stop worrying about a 3 year old case, and its ramifications, and look at what they are doin now! oh well..big business thrives on all this BS..i wish that would die too just my 2c.... cryogen __________________ umm nope
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07-12-2001, 12:22 PM	#7
memphist0 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: L.A. Posts: 332	This may sound really naive, but what has MS done that is so bad. They are just a group of people that are business together trying to guess if what they are doing is going to sell. Granted they have dominated the market for awhile now but I think there are reasons for that. As much as we complain about stability of MS OSs or certain things it contains, but very few people have gone to another OS. Hell Linux is free and you can download a couple of different free Office Suites but other than the buzz a couple years ago where has it gone. I know the diehard types love Linux becuse it represents freedom from a psueso preconfigured OS but I have heard almost all of them complain about Linux being behind their hardware. Either problems with things like ATA100 or USB when they were released or drivers acting flaky for other things.
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