I miss my guns.....

[PolishManiac]

the statistics that were shown about australia were, i think not relevent, what i think the plan of the Aus government was, was to get rid of very dangerous weapons semi-auto and auto weapons while still leaving people standard guns eg bolt action and hand guns, this was becasue during the massacre the person was using semi auto and auto weapons and the argument was if he had, had to reload a weapon that was neither an auto or semi it would have given someone, anyone the chance to overpower the guy.

The comment about" this gaurantees that the victims will not be armed" is i think bs mainly because australians arnt armed anyway, so the robber knew then (before gun laws, and now after) that the house hold is not going to be armed, so i feel that the statistics are just a coincidence probably spurred by a growing rate of unempolyment and the poverty rate growing, forcing most people into the only way they know how to earn some kind of money.

[BoWevil_abx]

y 9mm is a Kel-Tec P11. Smallest and lightest nine around and it holds 10 in the mag and one in the pipe.

I also have a Kel-Tec P-11 that my wife uses for concealed carry. An excellent weapon, especially with a little customization. I also have a Ruger P-90 .45 ACP, and I hope to get a Kimber Ultra Carry in June (birthday present).

Edit: Jeeze, I guess I'm losing it. I didn't realize until just now that I had already posted to this thread. Almost the same stuff, too. Next I'll probably start drooling and humming the theme to Hollywood Squares.

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by BoWevil
I also have a Kel-Tec P-11 that my wife uses for concealed carry. An excellent weapon, especially with a little customization. I also have a Ruger P-90 .45 ACP, and I hope to get a Kimber Ultra Carry in June (birthday present).

Edit: Jeeze, I guess I'm losing it. I didn't realize until just now that I had already posted to this thread. Almost the same stuff, too. Next I'll probably start drooling and humming the theme to Hollywood Squares.

Looks like you're working for the Department of Redundancy Department.

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by shepsan
A gun is not a toy. It is a killing instrument and should be treated as such (responsibly, safely and with prudence).

The purpose for a non-LEO law-abiding person to carry concealed is for protection not for fun. I am apprehensive when in the presence of a person with a gun who thinks it is fun to carry it concealed.

To my mind, a person who carries because it is fun is imature. As a matter of fact, I consider that person to be dangerous and undisciplined. Such a person is a threat to all within the range of his weapon.

Owing a handgun, obtaining a CCW and spending a segment of time firing at targets does not make one a safe and proficient user of firearms. Having self-discipline (maturity) and allowing the rules of safe gun handling to dominate one’s thinking process while carrying a gun does become the foundation to safe and proficient gun handling.

I carry concealed (by virtue of a CCW) as a means to protect myself and family. I hope that I never find myself carrying because it is fun.

A gun is not a killing instrument. It's a tool. I regard anyone who thinks it's a killing instrument as too dangerous to own a gun and they probably want to kill everyone around them.

Take a chill-pill dude.

[sandman55]

I personally dont feel that I need a gun. Though I dont agree with everything that our Australian government does I feel sure they are not going to break down our front doors, for security from burgulars I have a large german shepherd dog that will lick any of them to death but will bark if anyone comes in my yard. A workmate once told me of a prowler who was caught in his neighbourhood with a map of the area with all the houses with dogs marked so that he could avoid them.

[StefanPI]

Originally posted by shootcraps
A gun is not a killing instrument. It's a tool. I regard anyone who thinks it's a killing instrument as too dangerous to own a gun and they probably want to kill everyone around them.

Take a chill-pill dude.

A concrete-nail gun is maybe a tool but a handgun? i guess you can shoot out doorlocks with it so it might qualify as a destructive lockpick. I used to hunt moose and really all guns are made for killing animals (man included).

I read an article about a taiwanese exchange student who got lost in LA and tried to ask directions from the closest house, he was shoot dead through the door. The shooter had the law on his side because it was his property and the student was trespassing.

I think if you buy a gun with intent to protect yourself and your family you will use it first instead of reasoning to get out of potentially dangerous situations.

Otherwise if i look at the thread start post the only time i packed heat or used consealed guns was in the army when we posed as sabotage units with orders to infiltrate local defence areas, take out hotspots and national guard units. It was really fun.

[PolishManiac]

what was said about guns being not fun and treated seriusly, well i think it would be fun to go to a range and fire a few rounds from guns iv only ever seen on tv or in cs, ofcourse i would be in a differnt state of mind if i actually owned one but i think soem pleasure can be derived from them, is that so wrong?

[shepsan]

Shootcraps, this is in reply to your statements, “A gun is not a killing instrument. It's a tool” – “Take a chill-pill dude.”

If my understanding of your comments are incorrect, I apologize. If, however it is correct then I believe you have a lot to learn.

I do not know if you are inexperienced or ignorant. Regardless, your thinking is immature and dangerous.

I enjoy shooting a firearm for sport (target shooting). It is exhilarating and satisfying. I also carry for protection and practice at the range each week.

Others shoot a firearm to bag birds or animals to supply food on the table.

However, the negligent discharge of a firearm is perhaps the most defining moment imaginable.

Once a bullet leaves the barrel, it is an irrevocable projectile that can kill any person or animal in its path. It can go through the walls of one’s home, travel far distances, enter another house and terminate the life of an innocent sleeping child in a crib. A firearm is not a toy. It is a killing weapon. If one wants to call it a tool in the context that it is a tool to kill, then I concur. However, that is the only definition that I will accept as valid.

To hold and fire a gun, one accepts a great responsibility. I know what that responsibility entails and accept it. Even though I have been an owner and shooter of many different types of firearms for over fifty years, I still continue to take courses each year to refresh and further extend my knowledge of firearm safety and marksmanship. I do so that I will always be able to automatically act with certainty and thoroughness whenever I pickup a gun to hold, clean or shoot. I know that one negligent or thoughtless moment on my part might very well destroy the life of another. I take this responsibility very, very seriously.

If you do not understand my meaning then you simply do not comprehend the gravity of gun handling.