New Russian Jet Fighter

[k0NG0]

Not to mention that dog fighting is a dead art. It's beyond visual range missiles all the way, these days.

[frozenasset]

Any other country could have a two generation lead on us in tech, but without the money, the experience and the means to train those who man it, they will die just as quickly as they would without the two generation gap in tech.

I may be a blind patriot, but I still feel our military, if needed, could dominate any other country in any type of conflict, long or short term.

As someone else pointed out, big deal, so it maneuvers x-times better than what we have, but what kind of radar cross section does it have?

If you can see it, you can kill it.

[PeterT]

Originally Posted by k0NG0

Not to mention that dog fighting is a dead art. It's beyond visual range missiles all the way, these days.

Exactly.

[jaketerminate]

Originally Posted by PeterT

I don't think that footage or the fighter is new... think I've seen it before.

And, why McCain? Will he be flying against it in an F22, with Putin in the other plane?

[spookyload]

Low radar signature planes are exaclty built for BVR missles. If you can't lock on to the plane your missle is worthless. That video is impressive, but not a single maneurver you would ever do in combat. Carrying your energy is paramount to survival. All those maneuvers bleed energy down to zero and only recover because of amazing power. Every one of those moves you saw equal death in air combat maneuvering.

[TQ]

Originally Posted by PeterT

That Russian plane may maneuver well, but it's about as stealthy as a barn made out of tin foil.

So, that tin foil hat I wear to sneak up on Mrs. TQ isn't as stealthy as I thought?
Dang. No wonder she always turns just in time to kick me in the stones. All this time I thought it was those combat booties I wear around the house.

[TQ]

Originally Posted by spookyload

Low radar signature planes are exactly built for BVR missles. If you can't lock on to the plane your missle is worthless. Every one of those moves you saw equal death in air combat maneuvering.

Copy that, but Vostok was an equally ridiculous demonstration and caused the U.S. to abandon the smarter X-15 for...spam in a can. About the only good thing that came of it was gazillions of dollars poured into the space program.

Did you know the Soviets killed four dogs in their space program between '60 and '61?
I find that pretty hard to forgive.

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by k0NG0

Not to mention that dog fighting is a dead art. It's beyond visual range missiles all the way, these days.

Heard that b/4 (Vietnam and the F4 anyone?).

[XJ.]

Originally Posted by spookyload

Low radar signature planes are exaclty built for BVR missles. If you can't lock on to the plane your missle is worthless. That video is impressive, but not a single maneurver you would ever do in combat. Carrying your energy is paramount to survival. All those maneuvers bleed energy down to zero and only recover because of amazing power. Every one of those moves you saw equal death in air combat maneuvering.

Nice to see you're still around Spooky! Good responses too! [and well, they ought to be given your background!]

[TQ]

Originally Posted by XJ.

Heard that b/4 (Vietnam and the F4 anyone?).

Ah! You watch A&E's "Dogfight", too! I saw that episode.

[k0NG0]

Originally Posted by spookyload

Low radar signature planes are exaclty built for BVR missles. If you can't lock on to the plane your missle is worthless. That video is impressive, but not a single maneurver you would ever do in combat. Carrying your energy is paramount to survival. All those maneuvers bleed energy down to zero and only recover because of amazing power. Every one of those moves you saw equal death in air combat maneuvering.

Sensor technology research is bound to catch up sooner or later. I can't find it now, but the Swedish Defense Research Agency described a technique a while back that could potentially defeat any form of stealth technology (since even absorbing or dispersing radar energy is detectable against a reference). When that finally happens, you can't unring the bell, so to speak.

Not to mention the fact that the prevailing strategy is to kill radar grids with HARMs as the first order of business, then take out the airfields and as many planes as possible before they can even scramble. Even so, guerrillas on the Balkan downed an F-117 with shoulder-fired SAMs, heat-seekers I believe. You can't get away from hot exhaust.

There have been no aerial combat between forces of equal power since WWII.

[TQ]

Originally Posted by fvbounty

Why so we can have 4 more years of...
$4 gas
Worst start to a year in stock market history
GM's biggest lost in History
Biggest forecloses rate ever
Biggest deficit ever
Still looking for Bin laden, can't find a 6.5 ft man in a county of small people, I guess we are still looking for him, aren't we!
Biggest oil company's profits ever.....I think we could do better...just my 2 cents

Well, with the possible exception of the Bin Laden thing, how is the rest of that laid at the feet of the executive branch?

Of course we could do what Obama has suggested and invade Pakistan...

[k0NG0]

Originally Posted by XJ.

Heard that b/4 (Vietnam and the F4 anyone?).

Sure, but that was 40 years ago now.

[fvbounty]

Originally Posted by TQ

Well, with the possible exception of the Bin Laden thing, how is the rest of that laid at the feet of the executive branch?

Of course we could do what Obama has suggested and invade Pakistan...

If your in charge of a ship and your not on the bridge and something happens its still on the captain, same with the president!

[johnrr6]

I'm a ground pounder by trade....my expertise with air consisted of jumping out of them and calling in "fast movers" for a strike.....

And an occassional airdrop resupply.....

having said that....

After being around our Air Force for nigh on 25 years....

We'd win against that jet----or any other jet.....

Superior equipment
Superior training
Superior tactics

The best logistics in the world to back it all up---

and----above all----our pilots as a group are far superior as they get better training, more actual air hours and more simulation time---again using superior tactics, equipment and technology.

Other countries have great smaller groups of pilots-----but as a whole group----nothing can match our flyboys.....

Same for our Navy......