Official "What did you think of Matrix Revolutions" Thread - Page 3

Brian · 11-17-2003, 11:57 AM

Interesting link regarding this movie (which I saw and thought was so-so)

The Matrix Revolutions: Why Neo Is Christ And Stuff You Might Have Missed

Maxbo · 11-17-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brain
Interesting link regarding this movie (which I saw and thought was so-so)

The Matrix Revolutions: Why Neo Is Christ And Stuff You Might Have Missed

Cool link Brain. Thanks!

5150 · 11-23-2003, 11:00 AM

Ahhh- the REVOLUTIONS thread

- I haven't been here much lately

,but it's a good place for me to start now I'm here again!

REVOLUTIONS, contrary to many people's views, is nothing short of a truly amazing film, in a class of its own making, wonderful in its continuation of the Wachowski Brothers' storyline, and it concludes the trilogy in such a way that is coherent, plausible, logical, realistic, satisfactory (tho the "end" makes you question exactly what is "satisfactory" given the humans' situation), and conclusive.

In no-way does REVOLUTIONS detract from the original two films in the trilogy (tho take into account that RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS are really only ONE film, merely spilt in two) - it continues-on from where the storyline finished last and resolves many issues and questions left open from the previous instalment, tho many people are somewhat disappointed that the film ***spoiler*** does not provide a "Hollywood" ending where the good guys win and everyone is happy ad infinitum ***end spoiler***. The film in fact provides a feasible ending that cannot be contested in its probability of actuality relative to a "Hollywood" ending - a "Hollywood" ending could not have been expected from this film by any viewer who in any way has followed the storyline of the trilogy all-along - and that is not to say that the viewer completely understands the films (being some of the most complex mainstream films to comprehend and understand in recent times, possibly, ever, but I'll get to this in a minute), but that the viewer understood the expressed premise of the trilogy.

I would have to agree tho, similarly to my post on RELOADED, that REVOLUTIONS is a little too-ambitious for its broader audience (tho this is the prerogative of creativity), and thus, unless you want to get into the films and try and understand them from a slightly more-involved level, their intricate referencing of philosophy, theology, symbolism, metaphysics, and mythological avenues will leave the "I don't want to think about it" viewer (i.e. read "a majority of movie-goers") feeling empty and without satisfaction or conclusion.

However, if you do want to "delve into the rabbit-hole" of the Matrix trilogy, you will be astounded with not only the scope of themes and ideas presented, but also the brilliance of their amalgamation and cohesion - this has been described as possibly some of the best work of its kind in modern-day literature. It's that good.

Now, to dissect the film (and its relation to its 2 siblings) comprehensively would take (and does take) long and involved essays which would be pointless to reproduce (with credits) here - but some of the best (IMO) articles re the trilogy, written by Brian Takle, can be found at this site http://wylfing.net/essays/ - just superlative stuff. There are many great reviews, articles, essays and posts regarding the trilogy around the net, but a good place to find a fair few of them (linked) is http://forums.matrixfans.net/forumdi...e=30&forumid=8 - just be wanting to read!

So - for myself, a big fan of the films, REVOLUTIONS does in no-way disappoint - rather, it ends the story in a way that predominantly satiates the minds of those who were paying attention, for the primary idea behind these films is to get you to think - something that seems to be taking more and more of a backseat in today's modern convenience society, where superficial sensory gratification is paramount, especially when it comes to recreational entertainment. When was the last time you read/noticed such a plethora of articles by researchers and academics analysing and studying a film, let-alone a piece of literature?

Go and explore the rabbit-hole. You won't be disappointed. Oh, and don't listen to the critics - for if they could come-up with something remotely close to the genius of the Wachowski Brothers' creation, they would - but they can't - that's why they're critics. Ever said "I don't like it!" There - you're a critic! How hard was it to say that??! Now, try writing a storyline referencing anything close to what the Wachowski's have done. Bit harder, isn't it?

Don't listen to the critics - theirs is not an esteemed profession. Rather, re-visit REVOLUTIONS and RELOADED, as well as THE MATRIX, and enjoy possibly some of the better examples of quality contemporary literature available - and, enjoy the mind-workout - it's good for you!

Cogar · 04-10-2004, 06:13 PM

Well, the DVD is out and we got around to seeing it after being thoroughly disappointed with Reloaded. As I stated earlier in this thread, I had no intentions of seeing it. Still, my wife wanted to go ahead and finish the series, so we plunged ahead. After finishing it, I felt it would be "safe" to revisit this thread in case it contained some mild spoilers, which it does. Still, the posts by Brain and 5150 really open up a new way of looking at these films. It will take me awhile to digest the articles cited by 5150, but I did want to express my appreciation for their contributions and everyone's comments--as well as bump this thread since I suspect a number of others will be viewing Revolutions for the first time.

Murali_abx · 04-10-2004, 10:13 PM

I agree, Reloaded and Revolutions were BRILLIANT.

At least the storylines were

I thought the fight scenes and CGI were overused and thrown in haphazardly to speed up areas of plot enhancing (ala Neo vs. 10010001010 Smiths). If they stopped that fight before it became obviously CGI, it'd of been fine.

Oh and all of the fights after the orignal matrix seem so obviously choreographed, its sad

Murali_abx · 04-10-2004, 10:15 PM

As well...

I don't believe Neo represents only Christianity, but rather it shows the themes of many religions.

For instance, the big head doohickey that Neo bargains with to save Zion looks like Budha.

epicbard · 04-10-2004, 10:16 PM

[RANT]my dad got me the full screen version... i wanted 16:9

[/RANT]

About the movie... it was good... you have to look at it in context with the previous films... as one giant film

smawguy · 04-10-2004, 10:42 PM

Well, apparently I will be disagreeing with quite a few people here when I say that I was 100 percent thoroughly disappointed with Revolutions. IMO, the film was slow, and the plot/ending was easily predictable. The only scene that I liked was the battle at the dock.
Also desagreeing with several posts here, I thought that Reloaded was the best of the 3. While the original was good, Reloaded was, IMO, better with it's reintroduction of Smith, and the premise behind the whole scenario.
Just my opinion, but to those who liked it, I'm glad you did.

Brian · 04-11-2004, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cogar
Still, the posts by Brain and 5150 really open up a new way of looking at these films. It will take me awhile to digest the articles cited by 5150, but I did want to express my appreciation for their contributions and everyone's comments--as well as bump this thread since I suspect a number of others will be viewing Revolutions for the first time.

Your very welcome, Cogar!

Cogar · 04-12-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Murali
I agree, Reloaded and Revolutions were BRILLIANT.

At least the storylines were

I thought the fight scenes and CGI were overused and thrown in haphazardly to speed up areas of plot enhancing (ala Neo vs. 10010001010 Smiths). If they stopped that fight before it became obviously CGI, it'd of been fine.

Agreed. The two of them coming head to head and producing a sort of "human atomic bomb" shock wave (and similar effects) was unnecessary.

Quote:

Originally posted by Murali
Oh and all of the fights after the orignal matrix seem so obviously choreographed, its sad

I used to be a real fan of martial arts films. One thing I noticed over time is that martial arts films in general (and I am making a broad generalization) have become excessively choreographed--and it is getting worse every year. In my opinion, in the "old days" (Bruce Lee era) when they had skilled actors/martial artists in the film, they were just told who would win the fight, yell "action, and then start shooting made for a much more entertaining, much more believable film. At least that is the way it appeared. No more perfect blocks on every punch or kick. (They probably hurt fewer people this way, but it does remove most of the real "art" from martial arts.)

Cogar · 04-12-2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Murali
As well...

I don't believe Neo represents only Christianity, but rather it shows the themes of many religions.

For instance, the big head doohickey that Neo bargains with to save Zion looks like Budha.

I agree. There are themes taken from Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism **start spoiler** (especially the conclusion where Neo reaches what can best be described as Nirvana--in spite of physically laying him out in a crucifix position) **end spoiler**, mythology, evolution, nihilism, deism and probably a lot more. I almost got the feeling that the producers either felt all religions were the same or felt like mining any and all of them for ideas to add "weight" to the movies.

Edit: added spoiler warning.

**pointreyes** · 04-12-2004, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cogar
Well, the DVD is out and we got around to seeing it after being thoroughly disappointed with Reloaded. As I stated earlier in this thread, I had no intentions of seeing it. Still, my wife wanted to go ahead and finish the series, so we plunged ahead. After finishing it, I felt it would be "safe" to revisit this thread in case it contained some mild spoilers, which it does. Still, the posts by Brain and 5150 really open up a new way of looking at these films. It will take me awhile to digest the articles cited by 5150, but I did want to express my appreciation for their contributions and everyone's comments--as well as bump this thread since I suspect a number of others will be viewing Revolutions for the first time.

I purchased the DVD last Wednesday. Figured I might as well have the complete Trilogy.

Still have not seen it. Honey do list is very demanding at this time. :sad:

I might have a chance to see this movie tonight for the first time.

Cogar · 04-12-2004, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pointreyes
I purchased the DVD last Wednesday. Figured I might as well have the complete Trilogy. Still have not seen it. Honey do list is very demanding at this time. :sad:

Probably doing her part for WAAB.

Quote:

Originally posted by pointreyes
I might have a chance to see this movie tonight for the first time.

I found it better than Reloaded--especially the battle at the dock as smawguy mentioned.

Murali_abx · 04-12-2004, 02:15 PM

Quote:

I used to be a real fan of martial arts films. One thing I noticed over time is that martial arts films in general (and I am making a broad generalization) have become excessively choreographed--and it is getting worse every year. In my opinion, in the "old days" (Bruce Lee era) when they had skilled actors/martial artists in the film, they were just told who would win the fight, yell "action, and then start shooting made for a much more entertaining, much more believable film. At least that is the way it appeared. No more perfect blocks on every punch or kick. (They probably hurt fewer people this way, but it does remove most of the real "art" from martial arts.)

a la Jackie Chan. I give props to Keanu for doing his own stunts, but he Jackie Chan actually took the hits... Big fan of Jackie Chan

**pointreyes** · 04-12-2004, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cogar
Probably doing her part for WAAB.

I think she might be working on a movie: KillPR.

Friday night: 0 minutes
Saturday night: 2 hours
Sunday: 2 hours

That's all the time I was allowed, er provided to use the 'puters.

Her true colors came out quite nicely about 'puters on Friday night. On the addition we are having built, I had to remove the doors to apply the primer safely to the walls and ceilings (there's more than one room). As I was removing the screws from the hinges with a power drill she made the following remark:
"So, you feel like a man doing that?"

Need I say more?

11-17-2003, 11:57 AM	#31
Brian But you can call me Brain Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Georgetown, Ontario Posts: 5,923	Interesting link regarding this movie (which I saw and thought was so-so) The Matrix Revolutions: Why Neo Is Christ And Stuff You Might Have Missed __________________
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11-23-2003, 11:00 AM	#33
5150 1984: OUR future? Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 1,785	Ahhh- the REVOLUTIONS thread - I haven't been here much lately ,but it's a good place for me to start now I'm here again! REVOLUTIONS, contrary to many people's views, is nothing short of a truly amazing film, in a class of its own making, wonderful in its continuation of the Wachowski Brothers' storyline, and it concludes the trilogy in such a way that is coherent, plausible, logical, realistic, satisfactory (tho the "end" makes you question exactly what is "satisfactory" given the humans' situation), and conclusive. In no-way does REVOLUTIONS detract from the original two films in the trilogy (tho take into account that RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS are really only ONE film, merely spilt in two) - it continues-on from where the storyline finished last and resolves many issues and questions left open from the previous instalment, tho many people are somewhat disappointed that the film *spoiler* does not provide a "Hollywood" ending where the good guys win and everyone is happy ad infinitum *end spoiler. The film in fact provides a feasible ending that cannot be contested in its probability of actuality relative to a "Hollywood" ending - a "Hollywood" ending could not have been expected from this film by any viewer who in any way has followed the storyline of the trilogy all-along - and that is not to say that the viewer completely understands the films (being some of the most complex mainstream films to comprehend and understand in recent times, possibly, ever, but I'll get to this in a minute), but that the viewer understood the expressed premise of the trilogy. I would have to agree tho, similarly to my post on RELOADED, that REVOLUTIONS* is a little too-ambitious for its broader audience (tho this is the prerogative of creativity), and thus, unless you want to get into the films and try and understand them from a slightly more-involved level, their intricate referencing of philosophy, theology, symbolism, metaphysics, and mythological avenues will leave the "I don't want to think about it" viewer (i.e. read "a majority of movie-goers") feeling empty and without satisfaction or conclusion. However, if you do want to "delve into the rabbit-hole" of the Matrix trilogy, you will be astounded with not only the scope of themes and ideas presented, but also the brilliance of their amalgamation and cohesion - this has been described as possibly some of the best work of its kind in modern-day literature. It's that good. Now, to dissect the film (and its relation to its 2 siblings) comprehensively would take (and does take) long and involved essays which would be pointless to reproduce (with credits) here - but some of the best (IMO) articles re the trilogy, written by Brian Takle, can be found at this site http://wylfing.net/essays/ - just superlative stuff. There are many great reviews, articles, essays and posts regarding the trilogy around the net, but a good place to find a fair few of them (linked) is http://forums.matrixfans.net/forumdi...e=30&forumid=8 - just be wanting to read! So - for myself, a big fan of the films, REVOLUTIONS does in no-way disappoint - rather, it ends the story in a way that predominantly satiates the minds of those who were paying attention, for the primary idea behind these films is to get you to think - something that seems to be taking more and more of a backseat in today's modern convenience society, where superficial sensory gratification is paramount, especially when it comes to recreational entertainment. When was the last time you read/noticed such a plethora of articles by researchers and academics analysing and studying a film, let-alone a piece of literature? Go and explore the rabbit-hole. You won't be disappointed. Oh, and don't listen to the critics - for if they could come-up with something remotely close to the genius of the Wachowski Brothers' creation, they would - but they can't - that's why they're critics. Ever said "I don't like it!" There - you're a critic! How hard was it to say that??! Now, try writing a storyline referencing anything close to what the Wachowski's have done. Bit harder, isn't it? Don't listen to the critics - theirs is not an esteemed profession. Rather, re-visit REVOLUTIONS and RELOADED, as well as THE MATRIX, and enjoy possibly some of the better examples of quality contemporary literature available - and, enjoy the mind-workout - it's good for you! __________________
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04-10-2004, 06:13 PM	#34
Cogar Level 15, lawful good Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: It varies, but usually within 100 yards of a keyboard. Posts: 7,236	Well, the DVD is out and we got around to seeing it after being thoroughly disappointed with Reloaded. As I stated earlier in this thread, I had no intentions of seeing it. Still, my wife wanted to go ahead and finish the series, so we plunged ahead. After finishing it, I felt it would be "safe" to revisit this thread in case it contained some mild spoilers, which it does. Still, the posts by Brain and 5150 really open up a new way of looking at these films. It will take me awhile to digest the articles cited by 5150, but I did want to express my appreciation for their contributions and everyone's comments--as well as bump this thread since I suspect a number of others will be viewing Revolutions for the first time.
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04-10-2004, 10:13 PM	#35
Murali_abx Self-Proclaimed Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 621	I agree, Reloaded and Revolutions were BRILLIANT. At least the storylines were I thought the fight scenes and CGI were overused and thrown in haphazardly to speed up areas of plot enhancing (ala Neo vs. 10010001010 Smiths). If they stopped that fight before it became obviously CGI, it'd of been fine. Oh and all of the fights after the orignal matrix seem so obviously choreographed, its sad __________________ -Murali
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Murali_abx Self-Proclaimed Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 621	As well... I don't believe Neo represents only Christianity, but rather it shows the themes of many religions. For instance, the big head doohickey that Neo bargains with to save Zion looks like Budha. __________________ -Murali
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epicbard mmm... bacon bits Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Treehouse Posts: 4,266	[RANT]my dad got me the full screen version... i wanted 16:9 [/RANT] About the movie... it was good... you have to look at it in context with the previous films... as one giant film __________________
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04-10-2004, 10:42 PM	#38
smawguy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 207	Well, apparently I will be disagreeing with quite a few people here when I say that I was 100 percent thoroughly disappointed with Revolutions. IMO, the film was slow, and the plot/ending was easily predictable. The only scene that I liked was the battle at the dock. Also desagreeing with several posts here, I thought that Reloaded was the best of the 3. While the original was good, Reloaded was, IMO, better with it's reintroduction of Smith, and the premise behind the whole scenario. Just my opinion, but to those who liked it, I'm glad you did.
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