I give up

falcon26 · 09-07-2003, 05:38 PM

I give up. I have tried different outlets, tried swapping out the memory video card sound card you name it. I tried a different power supply, hard drive everything. And I still get radom reboots and cold boots and sometimes you can hear everything power up and all the fans spin but a nice black screen on the monitor. I never had problems like this when I had AMD. I think I will RMA this Intel I875 board back to newegg and get an AMD rig going, so long intel call me when you get your I865PE and I875 chipsets worked out......

Falcon26

pointreyes · 09-07-2003, 06:07 PM

I should wish I could afford to build a dual Opteron system.

It appears that the 1.6Ghz Opteron is a formidable proc compared to the P4 3.06 HT proc. And that is based on 32-based systems.

Ronin_abx · 09-07-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pointreyes
I should wish I could afford to build a dual Opteron system.

It appears that the 1.6Ghz Opteron is a formidable proc compared to the P4 3.06 HT proc. And that is based on 32-based systems.

It sure is. I ditched my volcanic 3.06 and ordered an Opteron 142 (1.6). I can't wait! Goodbye Intel!!

ChkSix · 09-07-2003, 06:29 PM

They say that the Opteron based on the smaller architechure should debut before the end of the year. With game performance gains of up to 50% on the Opteron, I think I'll have a water cooled setup going by the time Santa starts making his rounds.

Ronin_abx · 09-07-2003, 06:45 PM

The only "hard" part was getting the Registered ECC PC2700 memory. Not a lot of places have it, and many of them are a bit expensive. The Registered PC3200 is just INSANE, Mushkin wants $199 for 256MB!! Then again, Mushkin is almost always more expensive than anyone else.

falcon26 · 09-07-2003, 08:10 PM

I stuck my old Intel I865PE springdale board back in and it does the same thing. Sometimes it boots sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes while it shows the windows xp loading splash screen it reboots itself. This after I just updated the bios to the new one which just came out friday. What is it with these new intel chipsets, nothing but problems. Once windows does boot and I'm in the desktop everything is fine, I mean I can play MOHAA for hours without a problem. Its just when I turn on the computer that the crap starts to happen. Its a 50/50 shoot as to weather the computer boots or not. I am RMAing the I875 Intel board I got from Newegg, I'll stick with the intel springdale for now and have to deal with the boot issues I guess. Funny thing is most of my benchmarking scores from 3dmark and pcmark went up.....

Falcon26

XJ. · 09-07-2003, 08:38 PM

Well, when the Athlon 64 and Athlon FX boards come out, they won't require ECC afaik.

I'm waiting to see how the new via chipsets are, they have some technological advantages over the NF3 and may be hot stuff (if they've added fixed agp/pci freqs).

Oh, that and getting the price way down is pretty important, but I guess that won't really happen till next year when AMD has ramped up output.

CK8-04 · 09-07-2003, 08:38 PM

What are the benefits of registered memory?

Roop_abx · 09-07-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by evildragon1
What are the benefits of registered memory?

has error checking abilities, perfect for mission critical servers. it does more and anything on ecc ram is secure... of course, playing battlefield or watching porn doesn't require anything like that.

**k0NG0** · 09-08-2003, 01:01 AM

Registered memory makes it easier to have larger amounts of memory.

When a memory controller talks to non-registered memory it has to send the memory clock signal too all chips that are connected to the memory bus, meaning all individual memory chips. With registered memory the memory controller only sends the clock signal to one chip per memory module - the register. Because the load on signal pins on the memory controller has an upper limit, this means that you can hook up more modules since one chip has a significantly lower load than 8 or 16 chips per module.
This also means a latency penalty of one cycle for each memory access I believe, but this is almost negligible with todays memory speeds - something the Opteron memory benchmarks have shown.

This is also the reason the Athlon64 FX will most likely only have 2 DIMM slots per channel - put in 6 memory modules and the load should become too great on the memory controller, making it harder to guarantee accurate performance.

As an aside, there's a possibility to split up a dual-channel controller to use a 2x64bit dual-channel bus configuration, I believe the Opteron is a 1x128bit configuration, meaning the CPU treats the memory as having only one 128bit wide bus. By dividing it into 2x64bit buses it should mean each channel has its own clock in turn meaning you can have more memory modules per channel, since the load is split between the channels. The basic speed should be the same.

Registered memory and ECC memory are two different things. There is non-registered ECC memory. Oh, the Opteron has ChipKill support, meaning it can correct more memory errors than usual SECDED ECC (the usual variety). It requires x4 memory chips on the modules, though.

Edit: Added an "it" in the first sentence. Horrible to miss that one.

-kONGO

unK · 09-08-2003, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kONGO
Registered memory makes easier to have larger amounts of memory.

When a memory controller talks to non-registered memory it has to send the memory clock signal too all chips that are connected to the memory bus, meaning all individual memory chips. With registered memory the memory controller only sends the clock signal to one chip per memory module - the register. Because the load on signal pins on the memory controller has an upper limit, this means that you can hook up more modules since one chip has a significantly lower load than 8 or 16 chips per module.
This also means a latency penalty of one cycle for each memory access I believe, but this is almost negligible with todays memory speeds - something the Opteron memory benchmarks have shown.

This is also the reason the Athlon64 FX will most likely only have 2 DIMM slots per channel - put in 6 memory modules and the load should become too great on the memory controller, making it harder to guarantee accurate performance.

As an aside, there's a possibility to split up a dual-channel controller to use a 2x64bit dual-channel bus configuration, I believe the Opteron is a 1x128bit configuration, meaning the CPU treats the memory as having only one 128bit wide bus. By dividing it into 2x64bit buses it should mean each channel has its own clock in turn meaning you can have more memory modules per channel, since the load is split between the channels. The basic speed should be the same.

Registered memory and ECC memory are two different things. There is non-registered ECC memory. Oh, the Opteron has ChipKill support, meaning it can correct more memory errors than usual SECDED ECC (the usual variety). It requires x4 memory chips on the modules, though.

-kONGO

Outstanding info bro...
thanks

CrocHammer · 09-08-2003, 01:27 AM

Falcon.

That's a pretty bizarre turn of events for you, sorry to hear it. I don't think that's at all usual for Intel or AMD systems.

CrocHammer · 09-08-2003, 01:30 AM

By the way, what board was it and if you tried everything else why not a replacement mobo.?

ob1 · 09-08-2003, 01:50 AM

Hello Falcon,

An intermittent switch (or bounce problem) with the power or reset
button on the case can cause your symptoms.
Its worth a look, try another case or swap the power and reset switches.
They are both momentary N/O single pole, and can be interchanged.
Good Luck,
-OB1-

CrocHammer · 09-08-2003, 01:59 AM

Roger that ob1. Good suggestion. I have heard of that being a cause of no boot problems before.

That's why I was asking what board it was. I have not seen Falcon's problem reported elsewhere so I don't think it's a problem generically related to Intel or 875 boards.

09-07-2003, 05:38 PM	#1
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	I give up I give up. I have tried different outlets, tried swapping out the memory video card sound card you name it. I tried a different power supply, hard drive everything. And I still get radom reboots and cold boots and sometimes you can hear everything power up and all the fans spin but a nice black screen on the monitor. I never had problems like this when I had AMD. I think I will RMA this Intel I875 board back to newegg and get an AMD rig going, so long intel call me when you get your I865PE and I875 chipsets worked out...... Falcon26
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09-07-2003, 06:07 PM	#2
pointreyes The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 18,159	I should wish I could afford to build a dual Opteron system. It appears that the 1.6Ghz Opteron is a formidable proc compared to the P4 3.06 HT proc. And that is based on 32-based systems.
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09-07-2003, 06:29 PM	#4
ChkSix Flight Level 370 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Brooklyn NYC Posts: 642	They say that the Opteron based on the smaller architechure should debut before the end of the year. With game performance gains of up to 50% on the Opteron, I think I'll have a water cooled setup going by the time Santa starts making his rounds. __________________ Main Rig P4 3.2E @4.00ghz 250FSB 1.615v Asus P4C800 Deluxe Rev1017 Beta 1gb Corsair XMS PC3500 2-3-3-6 320mhz BFG 6800 Ultra OC Sony CPD-G520 21" Monitor Liquid Cooled Goodness Pics:http://community.webshots.com/user/chksix2002
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09-07-2003, 06:45 PM	#5
Ronin_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 1,504	The only "hard" part was getting the Registered ECC PC2700 memory. Not a lot of places have it, and many of them are a bit expensive. The Registered PC3200 is just INSANE, Mushkin wants $199 for 256MB!! Then again, Mushkin is almost always more expensive than anyone else. __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 @ 3.2GHz (8 x 400) \| ASUS P5B Deluxe v1.03g \| 2GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-10 \| eVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB \| Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS \| 2 x 80GB Hitachi Deskstar SATA - RAID 0 \| Corsair HX620W PSU \| NEC 3540a DVD Writer \| Antec P160 \| Windows XP Pro SP2 \| LG L194WT-SF Widescreen
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09-07-2003, 08:10 PM	#6
falcon26 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 201	I stuck I stuck my old Intel I865PE springdale board back in and it does the same thing. Sometimes it boots sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes while it shows the windows xp loading splash screen it reboots itself. This after I just updated the bios to the new one which just came out friday. What is it with these new intel chipsets, nothing but problems. Once windows does boot and I'm in the desktop everything is fine, I mean I can play MOHAA for hours without a problem. Its just when I turn on the computer that the crap starts to happen. Its a 50/50 shoot as to weather the computer boots or not. I am RMAing the I875 Intel board I got from Newegg, I'll stick with the intel springdale for now and have to deal with the boot issues I guess. Funny thing is most of my benchmarking scores from 3dmark and pcmark went up..... Falcon26
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09-07-2003, 08:38 PM	#7
XJ. Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NH, USA Posts: 6,260	Well, when the Athlon 64 and Athlon FX boards come out, they won't require ECC afaik. I'm waiting to see how the new via chipsets are, they have some technological advantages over the NF3 and may be hot stuff (if they've added fixed agp/pci freqs). Oh, that and getting the price way down is pretty important, but I guess that won't really happen till next year when AMD has ramped up output.
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09-08-2003, 01:01 AM	#10
k0NG0 Remembering TQ Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 13,716	Registered memory makes it easier to have larger amounts of memory. When a memory controller talks to non-registered memory it has to send the memory clock signal too all chips that are connected to the memory bus, meaning all individual memory chips. With registered memory the memory controller only sends the clock signal to one chip per memory module - the register. Because the load on signal pins on the memory controller has an upper limit, this means that you can hook up more modules since one chip has a significantly lower load than 8 or 16 chips per module. This also means a latency penalty of one cycle for each memory access I believe, but this is almost negligible with todays memory speeds - something the Opteron memory benchmarks have shown. This is also the reason the Athlon64 FX will most likely only have 2 DIMM slots per channel - put in 6 memory modules and the load should become too great on the memory controller, making it harder to guarantee accurate performance. As an aside, there's a possibility to split up a dual-channel controller to use a 2x64bit dual-channel bus configuration, I believe the Opteron is a 1x128bit configuration, meaning the CPU treats the memory as having only one 128bit wide bus. By dividing it into 2x64bit buses it should mean each channel has its own clock in turn meaning you can have more memory modules per channel, since the load is split between the channels. The basic speed should be the same. Registered memory and ECC memory are two different things. There is non-registered ECC memory. Oh, the Opteron has ChipKill support, meaning it can correct more memory errors than usual SECDED ECC (the usual variety). It requires x4 memory chips on the modules, though. Edit: Added an "it" in the first sentence. Horrible to miss that one. -kONGO __________________ Use Firefox - "the one that blocks all the schmutz" Feeling multicore elation? Remember this correlation: Amdahl's Law. Last edited by k0NG0; 09-08-2003 at 12:37 PM..
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09-08-2003, 01:27 AM	#12
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,340	Falcon. That's a pretty bizarre turn of events for you, sorry to hear it. I don't think that's at all usual for Intel or AMD systems. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-08-2003, 01:30 AM	#13
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,340	By the way, what board was it and if you tried everything else why not a replacement mobo.? __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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09-08-2003, 01:50 AM	#14
ob1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 67	Hello Falcon, An intermittent switch (or bounce problem) with the power or reset button on the case can cause your symptoms. Its worth a look, try another case or swap the power and reset switches. They are both momentary N/O single pole, and can be interchanged. Good Luck, -OB1-
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09-08-2003, 01:59 AM	#15
CrocHammer Croc - OlderOvercrocker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 1,340	Roger that ob1. Good suggestion. I have heard of that being a cause of no boot problems before. That's why I was asking what board it was. I have not seen Falcon's problem reported elsewhere so I don't think it's a problem generically related to Intel or 875 boards. __________________ C2D6600 on Asus P5B Deluxe with ArcticCooling Pro7 heatsink fan EVGA 8800GTS with Samsung 226BW 4 x 1024 Mushkin HP2-6400 1XS. Barracuda 640 gig 7200.11 2 x S. Barracuda 320 gig 7200.10 in RAID O LG sATA DVD/RW Logitech G5 Laser mouse & G11 keyboard Corsair HX-520 watt modular PSU Lian-li PC60U -updated mod & lighting 4 x 80mm inlet and 2 x 80mm exit fans on Hexus fan controller
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