Intel D875PBZLK

[Ralf Hutter]

Originally posted by Riptide
Talk about apples-oranges comparison there though.

It's no more of an apples-to-oranges comparison that comparing the reliability of an HDD to a FDD when talking about Windows-based vs. floppy-based BIOS flashing. In other words, (for me) it's not about the HDD vs. FDD, it's about the reliability of the software (Windows) that's being compared to whichever DOS is being used to flash the BIOS.

[JimTram]

BillC thanks for the info. As I think about it now, I would prefer to wait and upgrade my HDD to SATA or a speedier CPU, or additional mobo at a later time. The additional cost of LL PC3200 or 3500 may not be worth the extra cost at this point. Not to mention the cost of the current RAM I have. My secondary computer uses RAMBUS so it's not a pass-down point now.

Jim T.

Originally posted by BillC
If you're running that Kingston at 3-3-3-8, then you would likely see a difference going to something that would run 2-3-2-6. In my experience, the latency makes the biggest speed difference, and going from 3 to 2 would be noticeable. However, it's not going to be a quantum leap -- more like a small, incremental gain. With the price of good PC3200 or PC3500 LL memory these days, I can't say (for me) that the cost would be commensurate with the performance gain, but that's just a personal viewpoint.

[Pentium4]

Hi All,:wave2:

Have just been having some fun tweaking my new baby, can anyone please explain what 'CPC Override' is.
Also what is the best setting for the Spread Spectrum - 'Down' or 'Centre' Thanks

[JimTram]

I thought I would share this:

Dear James,

Thank you for your interest in Kingston Technology Products. We apologize for the delay in response.

Kingston has not tested our Hyper X memory with your particular system. However, I have provided some additional information below that may help you.

HyperX memory modules are specially engineered and tested for higher speeds and for system overclocking. Unlike other gamer modules, each of Kingston's memory chips are custom-packaged and tested at their rated speeds. This means that every HyperX memory chip is verified to reliably support the top speed of 333MHz to 434MHz on high-end Advantest® memory testers before they are included on premium quality HyperX memory modules.

Kingston HyperX memory is designed based on the latest DDR specifications available, and is 100% tested at Kingston's flagship factories. Plus, these Kingston modules come with the standard Kingston lifetime warranty and toll-free Tech Support. Built with the best-quality components, Kingston HyperX is competitively priced and is the choice for the serious gamer.

HyperX Enthusiast Grade Modules:
Designed and built by the world's largest independent memory manufacturer High performance DDR memory tested at speeds up to 434MHz CAS Latency 2 support for leading-edge performance HyperX memory modules based upon latest specifications and designs. Kingston's memory chips were custom-packaged for Kingston and screened to support the rated speeds on
multi-million dollar testers

Backed by Kingston's reputation for quality and support Kingston HyperX
Features:

Aluminum heat spreader for thermal diffusion
184-pin Unbuffered DDR Modules
333MHz settings: 2-2-2-5-1 (CAS Latency 2)
370MHz settings: 2-2-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
400MHz settings: 2-2-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
434MHz settings: 2-3-3-7-1 (CAS Latency 2)
Dual-bank 512MB modules
Single-bank 256MB modules (Up to two modules per system is supported)
PC2700 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)
PC3000 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)
PC3200 PCB height: 1.250" (34.78mm) double-sided
PC3500 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)

If you have any other questions or require further assistance, feel free to contact us directly at 800 835-6575. We are available M-F, 6am-5pm, PT. I hope this information is helpful. Thank you for selecting Kingston as your upgrade partner.

Best Regards,
Rosanne Carrillo
Customer Service/Sales Support
Kingston Technology Company

[bjbgraphics]

Originally posted by Pentium4
Hi All,:wave2:

Have just been having some fun tweaking my new baby, can anyone please explain what 'CPC Override' is.
Also what is the best setting for the Spread Spectrum - 'Down' or 'Centre' Thanks

The best explanation I have heard is from Sandog in this thread at one point..

Andy2 asked, "Does anyone know why pat is disabled with 4 x 512mb ram on this board. With 2 x 512mb pat is enabled. Is this normal."

Sandog replied, "Well you have to have BIOS PO5 anyway to see PAT but I think if you have four memory modules your CPC Overide in BIOS defaults or has to be set to Enabled. This doubles some clock signal that probably negates PAT or disables PAT. I use to have 4 modules also and sold two before I found out about the problem. I needed some extra cash at the time and decided on 1GB being enough which is what I have now. My computer was plenty fast with 4 modules though and I didn't have anymore problems then I have now with 2 modules..."

Strife2101 replied, "My question is what happens if you disable the CPC override in the bios rather then have it enabled? Will it not work correctly?"

Sandog replied, "I'm not sure what I was getting when I tried it but it may have been that it wouldn't post and received an F4 Checksum error. It shouldn't hurt to try it, I would kinda like to know for sure."

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...7089-p-12.html

Heh... that is all I know. Anybody got any more information regarding the CPC Override setting??

BJB

[Sandog]

Some info. on the revised Intel D875PBZLK's.

Email correspondance:

Dear ASMO PCN Coordinator,

Excellent, excellent, excellent. As soon as possible
I will buy one of these boards and pass on the info to
some others who might be interested.

Try visiting ABXZone Forum Board. (Edit, I linked ABXZone)

Regards - Herb
________________________________________
From: ASMO PCN [mailto:asmo.pcn@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:22 PM
To: 'Herb'
Cc: ASMO PCN
Subject: RE: D875PBZ Product Change Notification: 103653-00

Herb,
I apologize for the delay. The division supporting this product has stated that the board will be available after 11/21. Therefore, I am going to contact the CBA for Avnet to see if they can place an order for 1 unit of the new revision. As soon as I can receive some type of confirmation #, I will let you know so you can contact Avnet directly. The product will ship on the 21st and depending on the shipping method, you can receive it within 2 wks or so.

Rgds,
ASMO PCN Coordinator

-----Original Message-----
From: ASMO PCN
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:56 PM
To: 'Herb'
Cc: ASMO PCN
Subject: RE: D875PBZ Product Change Notification: 103653-00
Herb,
I am going to do some research to locate which vendor is going to have the updated version. So I will get back to you tomorrow.

Rgds,
ASMO PCN Coordinator

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:12 PM
To: ASMO PCN
Subject: RE: D875PBZ Product Change Notification: 103653-00
Thanks,

I am trying to get the revised board though. The one that will have the changes
outlined in the document I mentioned. This new board has hardware changes and
should support the Prescott processor. The documents says availability Nov 21.

URL=http://developer.intel.com/design/pcn/MTHRBRD/D1036530.pdf

Herb

________________________________________
From: ASMO PCN [mailto:asmo.pcn@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:28 AM
To: 'Herb'
Cc: ASMO PCN
Subject: RE: D875PBZ Product Change Notification: 103653-00

Herb,
You can either contact any of Intel's Distributors (Arrow, Avnet, or Pioneer) or you can actually try Fry's Electronics (see below).
Fry's Electronics: http://shop1.outpost.com/search?sear...ice=&maxprice=
3630825 Intel BOXD875PBZLK "Canterwood" Chipset Motherboard Intel Solution Motherboard - Socket 478 Call for Availability $169.99 « Buy

Rgds,
ASMO PCN Coordinator
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:02 PM
To: ASMO PCN
Subject: D875PBZ Product Change Notification: 103653-00

Hello,

I am building a new system and would like
to purchase this new revised Intel D875PBZ
mother board. Do you know where any of these
new boards are located and where I could buy
one?


Affected Pre-Change Post-Change Pre-Change Post-Change
Product Code MM# MM# TA or AA TA or AA
BOXD875PBZLK 852675 852675 C26680-206 C26680-302
852675





Thank you - Herb

[Ralf Hutter]

Originally posted by Sandog
Some info. on the revised Intel D875PBZLK's.


Herb,
I apologize for the delay. The division supporting this product has stated that the board will be available after 11/21. Therefore, I am going to contact the CBA for Avnet to see if they can place an order for 1 unit of the new revision. As soon as I can receive some type of confirmation #, I will let you know so you can contact Avnet directly. The product will ship on the 21st and depending on the shipping method, you can receive it within 2 wks or so.

Rgds,
ASMO PCN Coordinator

OK, so how does a peon like me get the ASMO PCN Coordinator to get Avnet to let me buy a new 875PBZ from them?

[Sandog]

Originally posted by Ralf Hutter
OK, so how does a peon like me get the ASMO PCN Coordinator to get Avnet to let me buy a new 875PBZ from them?

I'm sure the Hon. Ralf Hutter can buy one from Avnet to.

I'll let you know Ralf as soon as AVNET, ARROW, or any body else has the board so you can buy one. AVNET is a distributor but you can buy from them directly. I'll be snooping for it on and after next Friday, and waiting for ASMO PCN coord's email. I will post anything I find in here. I checked for it already today at AVNET and they didn't have it. They did have the 875 chipset for sale for $35.20 so if your real good you can build you one (with PAT enabled).

[Andy2]

Is there any reason to upgrade to p16 from p14

[Sandog]

Originally posted by Andy2
Is there any reason to upgrade to p16 from p14

I believe you need PO16 to work with Intels Desktop Control Center software. I've been using it since it came out with no problems.

[Sandog]

Originally posted by JimTram
I thought I would share this:

Dear James,

Thank you for your interest in Kingston Technology Products. We apologize for the delay in response.

Kingston has not tested our Hyper X memory with your particular system. However, I have provided some additional information below that may help you.

HyperX memory modules are specially engineered and tested for higher speeds and for system overclocking. Unlike other gamer modules, each of Kingston's memory chips are custom-packaged and tested at their rated speeds. This means that every HyperX memory chip is verified to reliably support the top speed of 333MHz to 434MHz on high-end Advantest® memory testers before they are included on premium quality HyperX memory modules.

Kingston HyperX memory is designed based on the latest DDR specifications available, and is 100% tested at Kingston's flagship factories. Plus, these Kingston modules come with the standard Kingston lifetime warranty and toll-free Tech Support. Built with the best-quality components, Kingston HyperX is competitively priced and is the choice for the serious gamer.

HyperX Enthusiast Grade Modules:
Designed and built by the world's largest independent memory manufacturer High performance DDR memory tested at speeds up to 434MHz CAS Latency 2 support for leading-edge performance HyperX memory modules based upon latest specifications and designs. Kingston's memory chips were custom-packaged for Kingston and screened to support the rated speeds on
multi-million dollar testers

Backed by Kingston's reputation for quality and support Kingston HyperX
Features:

Aluminum heat spreader for thermal diffusion
184-pin Unbuffered DDR Modules
333MHz settings: 2-2-2-5-1 (CAS Latency 2)
370MHz settings: 2-2-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
400MHz settings: 2-2-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
434MHz settings: 2-3-3-7-1 (CAS Latency 2)
Dual-bank 512MB modules
Single-bank 256MB modules (Up to two modules per system is supported)
PC2700 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)
PC3000 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)
PC3200 PCB height: 1.250" (34.78mm) double-sided
PC3500 PCB height: 1.200" (30.48mm)

If you have any other questions or require further assistance, feel free to contact us directly at 800 835-6575. We are available M-F, 6am-5pm, PT. I hope this information is helpful. Thank you for selecting Kingston as your upgrade partner.

Best Regards,
Rosanne Carrillo
Customer Service/Sales Support
Kingston Technology Company

Good info Jim, I believe that this mobo needs very good RAM. I just read a glowing article at AnandTech's on OCZ Platinum 3500 and bought 2GB of it. My board is now running at 5-2-3-2 for a week and no cold boots where I would have one occasionally before with my Corsair PC3500. If you haven't seen this article you can check it out here but beware it will make your mouth water.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1914&p=9

The thing that got me was how well this memory performed and was sold in pairs and is suppose to work at 2.6VDDR. My Corsair would lockup in games at 5-2-3-2 but this stuff is bulletproof. I even ran Prime95 and all the benchies I could muster and not one problem since I've installed this memory.

So IMHO, if you want the absolute best memory for your D875PBZ I would get two sticks of this. It is worth it. This mobo absolutely kicks tail now. Cost for the memory was 319$ for 2 512MB matched modules delivered.

Edit: On a side note. the revised Intel D875PBZ coming Nov 21st is suppose to have a change to the DDR voltage. I believe Intel is going to raise the voltage a little. Soon I believe this mobo's stability will rival the BX chipsets but with all the extra features of SATA, RAID, HT, PAT, and doing it with a Prescott micro-processor.

[JimTram]

Great article on OCZ Sandog! I asked the question about performance of memory a few days ago and the article cleared that up. In the Nov issue of Maximum PC there is an article on memory. OCZ PC4000 did not fare well!! In fact only one or two of the top five even passed. I am fuzzy on the details though.

My newly transformed rig has had zero cold boot issues to date, so I am a little reluctant to mess with success

I am anxiously awaiting your receipt and review of the revised mobo. While I am waiting, I did an analysis of me buying yet another mobo.

A few assumptions:

Future (12 months)
D875 will scale up to 3.4GHZ (EE) max. Cost of CPU will drop to ~$500.00
Mobo price will drop to ~$130.00
Speedier RAM, ~$100.00
Total Cost ~$730.00

Immediate Future (6 months)
478 Slotted Prescott @ 3.4 GHZ ~$500.00
Mobo ~$150.00
Speedier RAM ~$120.00
Total Cost ~$770.00


I feel the former is preferable to the latter! Perhaps a new mobo when the slot format changes for an even higher scaled Prescott?

Jim T.

Originally posted by Sandog
Good info Jim, I believe that this mobo needs very good RAM. I just read a glowing article at AnandTech's on OCZ Platinum 3500 and bought 2GB of it. My board is now running at 5-2-3-2 for a week and no cold boots where I would have one occasionally before with my Corsair PC3500. If you haven't seen this article you can check it out here but beware it will make your mouth water.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1914&p=9

The thing that got me was how well this memory performed and was sold in pairs and is suppose to work at 2.6VDDR. My Corsair would lockup in games at 5-2-3-2 but this stuff is bulletproof. I even ran Prime95 and all the benchies I could muster and not one problem since I've installed this memory.

So IMHO, if you want the absolute best memory for your D875PBZ I would get two sticks of this. It is worth it. This mobo absolutely kicks tail now. Cost for the memory was 319$ for 2 512MB matched modules delivered.

Edit: On a side note. the revised Intel D875PBZ coming Nov 21st is suppose to have a change to the DDR voltage. I believe Intel is going to raise the voltage a little. Soon I believe this mobo's stability will rival the BX chipsets but with all the extra features of SATA, RAID, HT, PAT, and doing it with a Prescott micro-processor.

[Sandog]

In that article it says OCZ 3500 Plat. is perfect for high freq. processors like the 3.0 and up that will be overclocked around 433MHz FSB max. It will give optimum performance with these processors ie. lowest memory timings. Since the D875PBZ will not go any higher than this it is a good choice. Also OCZ 3500 Plat. can go much higher for future use and still do 6-2-3-2.

[Sandog]

Also Jim the D875PBZ will go alot higher than 3.4GHz. The Prescott will go close to 4GHz in the 478-socket and I'm sure the revised Intel D875PBZ will support these processors. I have invested heavily this time in my new system and will have all I need to carry me along time. I'm not to psyched about next years chipsets but for maybe PCI Express and I do not relish ATX-2 due to the fact I invested alot in my fans and built a fan controller. The new ATX might be great for OEM computers but I doubt it will cool as well as what I have now.

[JimTram]

Sandog what is your reference for "...the D875PBZ will go alot higher than 3.4GHz. The Prescott will go close to 4GHz in the 478-socket.." ?

Jim

Originally posted by Sandog
Also Jim the D875PBZ will go alot higher than 3.4GHz. The Prescott will go close to 4GHz in the 478-socket and I'm sure the revised Intel D875PBZ will support these processors. I have invested heavily this time in my new system and will have all I need to carry me along time. I'm not to psyched about next years chipsets but for maybe PCI Express and I do not relish ATX-2 due to the fact I invested alot in my fans and built a fan controller. The new ATX might be great for OEM computers but I doubt it will cool as well as what I have now.