Intel D875PBZLK

[Sandog]

Originally posted by JimTram
Sandog what is your reference for "...the D875PBZ will go alot higher than 3.4GHz. The Prescott will go close to 4GHz in the 478-socket.." ?

Jim

I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that the first Prescott's would be 3.2 and 3.4GHz folllowed by 2.8 and 3.0. All 478pin. Then a couple of months after their release was supposedly the 3.6 and 3.8. These might be ball LGA 775 but if they are I am pretty sure we will see also the 478 socket version. The D875PBZ was suppose to be able to run the upcoming Prescott's and I think it will not stop at the 3.4GHZ version since it is a well designed board (six layers) I would think it could handle higher multipliers. There will surely be a market for higher Prescott's for the 478 socketed mobo's also. Another thing, there is a newer stepping for the current P4's (MO I believe) where they run cooler so Intel is making headway for lowering current in the P4's and Prescott's. We should be hearing some substantial news on Prescott's before the year is out.

Edit: Jim the latest news I could find is that Prescott will go up to atleast 3.6GHz in socket 478 and be available in Feb 04 (from X-bit labs).

[JimTram]

Edit: I found the XBit article and I stand corrected.


Sandog: If your references turn-out to be correct, then perhaps an additional upgrade to a revised mobo may be in order.

Interesting about the lack of HT in the first releases of Prescott, i.e. the 2.8GHZ model.

Additionally I read about some heat concerns with the Prescott.

Jim T.

Originally posted by Sandog
I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that the first Prescott's would be 3.2 and 3.4GHz folllowed by 2.8 and 3.0. All 478pin. Then a couple of months after their release was supposedly the 3.6 and 3.8. These might be ball LGA 775 but if they are I am pretty sure we will see also the 478 socket version. The D875PBZ was suppose to be able to run the upcoming Prescott's and I think it will not stop at the 3.4GHZ version since it is a well designed board (six layers) I would think it could handle higher multipliers. There will surely be a market for higher Prescott's for the 478 socketed mobo's also. Another thing, there is a newer stepping for the current P4's (MO I believe) where they run cooler so Intel is making headway for lowering current in the P4's and Prescott's. We should be hearing some substantial news on Prescott's before the year is out.

Edit: Jim the latest news I could find is that Prescott will go up to atleast 3.6GHz in socket 478 and be available in Feb 04 (from X-bit labs).

[Sandog]

Originally posted by JimTram
Edit: I found the XBit article and I stand corrected.


Sandog: If your references turn-out to be correct, then perhaps an additional upgrade to a revised mobo may be in order.

Interesting about the lack of HT in the first releases of Prescott, i.e. the 2.8GHZ model.

Additionally I read about some heat concerns with the Prescott.

Jim T.

Again, the revised mobo will not only work with Prescotts but has these updates:

1. New Printed Circuit Board Revision-- Minor circuitry changes in the
following three areas: a) DDR Voltage control, b) clock generator
connection to standby power, and c) added two optional jumpers for
memory validation and burn-in purposes.
2. New Clock Generator -- The new ICS CK409-rev1 clock generator with
support for center spread with S3.
3. New BIOS -- P15 (or later) BIOS to support clock generator updates.

All the clock generator stuff will be for higher clocked processors ie. Prescott's it seems. The DDR voltage control modification will probably help out with the memory problems everybody is having.

I'm thinking that the revised board will perform just the same but will be more stable in the memory department and also be able to support Prescotts. I will post in here any news I find on the revised board and I hope others will do likewise. We should maybe get some news next Friday.

[GNY]

Sandog, These boards are supposed to be released on the 21st???

[JimTram]

So if I swipe mobos again, that's all it should be, i.e. no reformat of HDD, OS, chipset drivers, etc.?

Jim

Originally posted by Sandog
Again, the revised mobo will not only work with Prescotts but has these updates:

1. New Printed Circuit Board Revision-- Minor circuitry changes in the
following three areas: a) DDR Voltage control, b) clock generator
connection to standby power, and c) added two optional jumpers for
memory validation and burn-in purposes.
2. New Clock Generator -- The new ICS CK409-rev1 clock generator with
support for center spread with S3.
3. New BIOS -- P15 (or later) BIOS to support clock generator updates.

All the clock generator stuff will be for higher clocked processors ie. Prescott's it seems. The DDR voltage control modification will probably help out with the memory problems everybody is having.

I'm thinking that the revised board will perform just the same but will be more stable in the memory department and also be able to support Prescotts. I will post in here any news I find on the revised board and I hope others will do likewise. We should maybe get some news next Friday.

[Sandog]

Originally posted by GNY
Sandog, These boards are supposed to be released on the 21st???

Suppose to be available on the 21st.

[Sandog]

Originally posted by JimTram
So if I swipe mobos again, that's all it should be, i.e. no reformat of HDD, OS, chipset drivers, etc.?

Jim

No I dont think windows will see any of the hardware changes. You shouldn't need any new drivers and all your hardware should work the same.

[JimTram]

Thanks Sandog. I asked as I never did an "in-kind" swap. Different chipsets, I understand the procedures.

Jim T.

Originally posted by Sandog
No I dont think windows will see any of the hardware changes. You shouldn't need any new drivers and all your hardware should work the same.

[RazorBurn]

... now my eyes hurt

I have been researching 875 boards as I plan on a new system in next month or two. I was looking at the MSI 875 neo till I saw alot of unhappy people. Then I started looking at the Intel board. It seems to have all of the features I want and none of the features I don't want.
You guys have really worked hard with the issues this board has, and it looks like it is getting better.
Have any of you had problems with the onboard LAN? I saw some reviews on newegg saying it did not work. This is one of the things I want on this board.
The other thing I want is RAID 0 in SATA with raptors. Is anyone running this and how is it working for you?
I am pretty much wanting to build an internet and gaming machine, want stability, and don't want to oc.

Here is what I am looking at so far:

Intel Pentium 4 (800 FSB) Motherboard Model D875PBZLK
Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz 512k 800MHz FSB
ATI RADEON 9800XT 256MB
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live!
Antec 430W Power Supply TRUE430
KINGSTON HyperX 184-pin 512MB DDR400 (PC3200)
DDR RAM modules, Model# KVR400X64C3A/512 , 2 sticks, 1gig
Microsoft Windows XP Professional with SP1a -
NEC/Mitsubishi 22" CRT VGA Monitor Model FE2111SB-BK
Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA WD360GD


The last question I have is about memory. I wrote kingston, and they sent this response below advising this part no. I don't know much about memory timings but cl-3,3,3,3 seem pretty slow from what i picked up here. Anyone know if this will seriously impact performance? I am pretty much looking for as fast as possible while being very reliable and easy to build.

Any information yall can give would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Mark

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your interest in Kingston Technology. Our part number KVR400X64C3A/512 is compatible with your motherboard. I do recommend you use these module with your motherboard. It is 100% tested and compatible with your system.

Best Regards,
Mike Nguyen
Customer Service/Sales Support
Kingston Technology Company

[Ralf Hutter]

Originally posted by RazorBurn

Have any of you had problems with the onboard LAN? I saw some reviews on newegg saying it did not work. This is one of the things I want on this board.

I've had 4 875PBZ's and have built a few systems for other people using this same board. I've used the onboard LAN (with the latest drivers from Intel's site) on all of them and it works 100% perfect. I've never had any issues with it at all, whether it's being used on DSL, Cable or with a network.

[Sandog]

Originally posted by RazorBurn
... now my eyes hurt

"Then I started looking at the Intel board. It seems to have all of the features I want and none of the features I don't want."

Exactly why I bought this board, also great support, quality, features, USB ports, and it looks great.

"Have any of you had problems with the onboard LAN? I saw some reviews on newegg saying it did not work. This is one of the things I want on this board."

Like Ralf said, I to have had 100% service with the Intel LAN chip. It is 1000/100/10 MB from my understanding and uses an independant bus freeing up the PCI bus.

"The other thing I want is RAID 0 in SATA with raptors. Is anyone running this and how is it working for you?"

I have the two Raptor's in RAID 0 setup. The ICH5R Northbridge chip works quite well with RAID and is as fast or faster than a seperate 32 bit PCI RAID controller card.

"I am pretty much wanting to build an internet and gaming machine, want stability, and don't want to oc."

I use this board for gaming and it is great. You can adjust memory clocks and also the FSB goes from -2% to +4%.

"Here is what I am looking at so far:

Intel Pentium 4 (800 FSB) Motherboard Model D875PBZLK
Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz 512k 800MHz FSB
ATI RADEON 9800XT 256MB
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live!
Antec 430W Power Supply TRUE430
KINGSTON HyperX 184-pin 512MB DDR400 (PC3200)
DDR RAM modules, Model# KVR400X64C3A/512 , 2 sticks, 1gig
Microsoft Windows XP Professional with SP1a -
NEC/Mitsubishi 22" CRT VGA Monitor Model FE2111SB-BK
Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA WD360GD"

That is a great system. Appears you have money so why don't you get the newer Raptors coming out. (74GB). And with regards to memory I stick with PC3500 and have had no problems but yours should be fine.

[Razorback]

Originally posted by Sandog

I am looking to setup my father-in-law w/something similar to your setup. Are you still happy w/yours? Would you buy it again?
Just curious.

[Sandog]

Originally posted by Razorback
I am looking to setup my father-in-law w/something similar to your setup. Are you still happy w/yours? Would you buy it again?
Just curious.

Yes I'm very happy with my setup and am building another system with this board. If you've ever owned Intel boards before then this board is similiar but it is the fastest and has the most features.

[JimTram]

Razorburn: I have installed in my rig the memory Kingston recommended to you. The 3-3-3-8 (default settings) if you noticed are relatively slower than some others who have purchased "Higher Performance RAM." I went from a 2.6a GHZ CPU and 400FSB to what I have now. Gaming improved tremendously (loading) I believe based mainly on the bus speed. Others with the higher performance RAM may see an additional 2-3% increase (per 3dMark2003 database).

As you have seen in this thread, some have "cold boot issues," possibly caused by the SPD settings. To-date I have had none. However it's only been a week since I installed the mobo.

I recommend if you do decide to go with the D875PBZ, wait until the revision is available in a week or so. This is a great board and one of the most helpful threads I ever encountered. Sandog's and others comments on the high performance RAM is also worth mentioning.

Jim T.

Originally posted by RazorBurn
... now my eyes hurt

I have been researching 875 boards as I plan on a new system in next month or two. I was looking at the MSI 875 neo till I saw alot of unhappy people. Then I started looking at the Intel board. It seems to have all of the features I want and none of the features I don't want.
You guys have really worked hard with the issues this board has, and it looks like it is getting better.
Have any of you had problems with the onboard LAN? I saw some reviews on newegg saying it did not work. This is one of the things I want on this board.
The other thing I want is RAID 0 in SATA with raptors. Is anyone running this and how is it working for you?
I am pretty much wanting to build an internet and gaming machine, want stability, and don't want to oc.

Here is what I am looking at so far:

Intel Pentium 4 (800 FSB) Motherboard Model D875PBZLK
Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz 512k 800MHz FSB
ATI RADEON 9800XT 256MB
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live!
Antec 430W Power Supply TRUE430
KINGSTON HyperX 184-pin 512MB DDR400 (PC3200)
DDR RAM modules, Model# KVR400X64C3A/512 , 2 sticks, 1gig
Microsoft Windows XP Professional with SP1a -
NEC/Mitsubishi 22" CRT VGA Monitor Model FE2111SB-BK
Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA WD360GD


The last question I have is about memory. I wrote kingston, and they sent this response below advising this part no. I don't know much about memory timings but cl-3,3,3,3 seem pretty slow from what i picked up here. Anyone know if this will seriously impact performance? I am pretty much looking for as fast as possible while being very reliable and easy to build.

Any information yall can give would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Mark

Dear Mark,

Thank you for your interest in Kingston Technology. Our part number KVR400X64C3A/512 is compatible with your motherboard. I do recommend you use these module with your motherboard. It is 100% tested and compatible with your system.

Best Regards,
Mike Nguyen
Customer Service/Sales Support
Kingston Technology Company

[Lilla]

Originally posted by Ralf Hutter
I've had 4 875PBZ's and have built a few systems for other people using this same board. I've used the onboard LAN (with the latest drivers from Intel's site) on all of them and it works 100% perfect. I've never had any issues with it at all, whether it's being used on DSL, Cable or with a network.

Q1: what is the latest LAN driver for onboard gigabit LAN running under WinXP?

Is the 20Jun2003 shown below the latest? I'm asking because I found that there is a version of the chipset driver that is later than the one offered on the motherboard site, so I decided to ask just incase there is an alternate download site for the LAN driver that has later LAN drivers than the motherboard site?

Driver Updates for D875PBZ offers for Windows XP,
LAN: Intel LAN 8.0.65293 31.1 MB 20 Jun 2003
INF: Intel 82801ER ICH5-R 5.00.1012 1.38 MB 12 Mar 2003

Q2: For the chipset driver should I use Mar 2003 version (see above), or Aug 2003 version (see below).

Mr. Steveo's OS install guide for D875PBZ, located here instructs to use Chipset driver from here

This (chipset) site offers chipset driver v5.0.2.1003 2003-08-27

The release number is formatted differently making it hard to compare, but the release dates would indicate that the chipset drivers on the chipset download page are later.

I hesitate to use the (apparently later) chipset driver from the chipset site because on the motherboard site (at the bottom) it says:
Device drivers that are not specifically listed have not been evaluated on this board and full evaluation by the system integrator is highly recommended to ensure proper operation with this board.

Any insite and guidance on latest chipset and LAN drivers for D875PBZLK (retail) board will be much appreciated.

Thank you,
Lilla