Intel D875PBZLK

[TQ]

Originally Posted by BillC

Hiya Sandog,

Bling bling? NOT! That's pure SEX!! Yeah, baby! I'm ordering some right now.

Bill(bling)ski

You're not suggesting the one attempt to mate with a spinning fan are you?

[BillC]

Originally Posted by Sandog

Like Ralf said there is not enough juice in the pre-206 boards for 2GB of memory. With your 1GB it might be fine though. Try it and see I guess now.

By the way, prices should fall nicely on the D875PBZLK by the end of the month because Intel is going to intro the 925 chipset the 21st of June so it will be even a better time to buy this great mobo. I will be posting my butt off probably and hope others will join me in deciphering the successor to the D875PBZLK. The plusses are it will have some secret goodies, the minuses are it has memory probs with ECC which noboby uses though. I am 99.999% sure I will not be getting the new mobo (in the first week ). I don't know though, if the reviews are golden and it runs a 3.46GHz 1066FSB EE chip then I might have to at least consider it and theres RAM out there that will do 533MHz.

Sandog,

Do you know if the new board will have the PCI Express slot(s)? That's what I'm (personally) waiting for. I want one of those high dollar RAIDCore SATA boards (with the on-board drive processor) so that I can do a RAID 0 array with four 74 gig Raptors. Not much sense in doing it until I can get the double-increased bandwidth of PCI-E.

Best,
Bill(speed-freak)ski

[BillC]

Originally Posted by TQ

You're not suggesting the one attempt to mate with a spinning fan are you?

Hiya TQ,

Don't be giving me ideas. Guess I'd need a Kevlar condom, huh?

Bill(perverted)ski

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by TQ

Honestly, I think it'll be fine. Geez, the board has four slots it should be able to handle four sticks. Besides, the lady I spoke to at Mushkin seemed to think it would be OK after I outlined what it was I wanted to accomplish. Her only caveat was that I not expect things to run at SPD and I told her I already knew that wasn't going to happen.

Not positive but when this mobo came out I think the 3.0C just came out which was the highest at the time. Also the DDR that followed needed more juice than the JEDEC specified 2.6V. I don't think the DDR regulators were up to it and now that Ralf reminds me I was posting about not having enough voltage to do the job before with 4 DIMMS. There has been upgrades to the DDR voltage regulator circuit several times I believe. So yes and no with 4-slots equals 4 DIMMS on older boards.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by TQ

You're not suggesting the one attempt to mate with a spinning fan are you?

LOL, hes getting a beejay.

[BillC]

Originally Posted by Sandog

LOL, hes getting a beejay.

That all depends on how I orient the fan. Should I have it blowing or sucking?

Bill(degenerate)ski

[Riptide]

Regarding what Sandog is saying about the RAM, I concur that it might be a problem. I had a hell of a time getting some OCZ RAM running in my 205 revision D875PBZLK. After much, much experimentation we figured it was due to needing a boost in the vDIMM which I could not do with this board. I found the Mushkin level II was rated for the stock vDIMM and it worked fine. The OCZ wanted a boost before it was likely to work.

Hey guys, will prices on the P4C800-E go down as well when they introduce the new chipset? I'm thinking of getting one of those bad boys.

[Sandog]

Like I was saying before, his running 4x256MB should be equal to running 2x512MB. Since it is the number of RAM chips that suck the juice he may be fine. But I know for sure that it would not handle 4x512MB before on my ver 204 board. I would try it. It would be pretty fast with the BH5 chips thats for sure but I would cool that area with a fan. The A0/A1 and likewise B0/B1 sockets are right next to each other and with heat spreaders on the DDR they will touch each other. Also the faster the timings on the memory, the more juice you will need and the more heat it will produce. I have seen the DDR regulator on our board and I believe there is one each for the pair of sockets and it is next to the sockets and is very small.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by BillC

Sandog,

Do you know if the new board will have the PCI Express slot(s)? That's what I'm (personally) waiting for. I want one of those high dollar RAIDCore SATA boards (with the on-board drive processor) so that I can do a RAID 0 array with four 74 gig Raptors. Not much sense in doing it until I can get the double-increased bandwidth of PCI-E.

Best,
Bill(speed-freak)ski

As far as I've heard it will have PCI-Express only (and PCI, not AGP) and of course the LGA-775 socket. I guess you certainly have a large enough case for 4 hot Raptors but you probably want 4 15K SCSI's and a dual-channel PCI-Express SCSI card. Don't know who makes those yet but I think ATTO and LSI Logic has them.

My problem is I would have to buy new DDRII, new graphics, new processor, etc. for the 925. I would like to own the new 925 but I just bought a bunch of new crap so I will probably wait till this time next year to do a whole new system. I will not be selling my new X800 XT for a PCI version or trading in my D875PBZLK just to get a 1066FSB EE chip or dead-end Prescott. I will wait a year and maybe add 64bit, BTX, Dothan, Serial all the way, etc. into the mix.

Edited.

[BillC]

Originally Posted by Sandog

I would like to own the new 925 but I just bought a bunch of new crap so I will probably wait till this time next year to do a whole new system........

Hiya Sandog,

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm keeping this, and I'll post it again in 2 months when you have your new 925 board, PCI-E video card, and 1066FSB EE.



Bill(haha)ski

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by BillC

Hiya Sandog,

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm keeping this, and I'll post it again in 2 months when you have your new 925 board, PCI-E video card, and 1066FSB EE.



Bill(haha)ski

Hahaha, you know me too well. BillC is like Reagan and I am Gorby and he is going to spend me under the table into bancruptcy. I'll be sitting in the creditors office while he is building a RAID 50 array with the 925 in his Lian Li server case lol.

PS. Sandog sneeks off to start Intel D925PBZLK thread while theres still time.

PSS. Sandog also checks for clause in post manual which states past posts in reference to future hardware ownage may be voided due to hindsight, one-upmanship, fund fluctuations, Intel instability, will-power level, and # of posts in certain future threads.

[TQ]

Here's what, in summation, Lost Circuits had to say about it...

The reason for going through all these benchmarks and writing this article is not to point a finger at anybody. Rather, it is to dam spreading of wrong information caused by some software glitches or else, being typical only for one particular hardware configuration but which, by no means, can be generalized. In not a single instance did we incur any performance hit greater than 6%, and those can be accounted for by some stabilizing measures, that is, more relaxed timings on the chipset level.
The one fact remains, more memory is better but only if the operating system and the application are capable of using it. Adobe Photoshop is not really operating within the Windows environment. It uses is own scratch file, which is not part of the Windows virtual memory but actually competes with the latter for HDD space. Moreover, the entire history of any filter is stored resident within the system memory unless purged after every transaction, which also invalidates the history of the image. This is yet another reason why e.g. PSBench generates somewhat unreproducible results. It only takes a few filters on a large file to fill up the entire system memory, after which the scratch pad on the HDD has to be accessed and again, keep in mind that that one and the Windows swapfile are mutually exclusive.

In the end, the take home message is that on a correctly configured high quality i875 / i865-based mainboard, there is no performance hit per se associated with increase in memory density or filling up all memory ranks. The situation may be different with OEM boards depending on whoever got their hands on the BIOS to FUBAR it for the sake of OEM stability and maybe the memory itself also plays a role in this scenario for the reasons outlined on the second page of this review but memory density and performance do not mutually exclude each other.

[TQ]

Originally Posted by Sandog

I just bought a bunch of new crap so I will probably wait till this time next year to do a whole new system. I will not be selling my new X800 XT for a PCI version or trading in my D875PBZLK just to get a 1066FSB EE chip or dead-end Prescott. I will wait a year and maybe add 64bit, BTX, Dothan, Serial all the way, etc. into the mix.

Bloody well copy that!
I'm not touching anything except my video card this year and waiting until PCI Express shakes itself out a bit (are we forgetting why this thread started in the first place?) and Intel gets its act together with its dual core processors.
I figure those two additional sticks of Mushkin in my workstation and a 6800 GT in my game machine will serve me quite well through the rest of this year and into '05...

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by TQ

Bloody well copy that!
I'm not touching anything except my video card this year and waiting until PCI Express shakes itself out a bit (are we forgetting why this thread started in the first place?) and Intel gets its act together with its dual core processors.
I figure those two additional sticks of Mushkin in my workstation and a 6800 GT in my game machine will serve me quite well through the rest of this year and into '05...

You'll do great with the 6800 for more than a year. And I would get the 4 sticks of memory also. The difference in Sandra wasn't much (less than 100) when I tried it and that was awhile ago. The new BIOS's made having no PAT look like you did have it and eventually you actually did have PAT showing (BIOS PO16). Also with only 1GB total you won't be too much power.

On the new 925, it has been delayed and I read there are problems with the ECC memory option. I don't think Intel has a clear roadmap for the processors for this board. I've read yes/no on more cache, 64bit enabled, higher FSB, higher clocks, etc. I think the 925 will have the option of running at 400FSB so you can continue running todays processors that will be built in the LGA-775 package with maybe some 1066 parts coming out by the end of the year. But I really don't think it will go much beyond 3.4GHz with the HSF package. DDRII latency will be high and expensive, PCI-Exp. video cards will not be much faster than AGP since the first PCI cards will be the same AGP cards were seeing now except with a PCI-Exp. bridge and if they are you will probably be CPU limited anyway. For controller cards it will be excellent though. The new board may also have optional Azalia sound feature and WiFi. You have to remember that the reviews this month will be rosy since its a new chipset but so was the 875 when it came out. I just want to understand the new features coming out this month that we can all discuss and finally find out where Intel is going the rest of the year.

Next year Dothan will probably have to emerge and it will no doubt get off to a slow performance start. Intel looks to be in a pickle jar now and AMD looks rosie with their onboard dual-channel memory controller, 64bits, short pipeline, and some other nice features like power throttling and virus protection but I think Intel is ahead because AMD CPU's are also getting real hot (up to 90W) and Intel is leading in low-power or dual-core technology I believe.

[AHLnut]

Originally Posted by Sandog

As far as I've heard it will have PCI-Express only (and PCI, not AGP) and of course the LGA-775 socket. I guess you certainly have a large enough case for 4 hot Raptors but you probably want 4 15K SCSI's and a dual-channel PCI-Express SCSI card. Don't know who makes those yet but I think ATTO and LSI Logic has them.

My problem is I would have to buy new DDRII, new graphics, new processor, etc. for the 925. I would like to own the new 925 but I just bought a bunch of new crap so I will probably wait till this time next year to do a whole new system. I will not be selling my new X800 XT for a PCI version or trading in my D875PBZLK just to get a 1066FSB EE chip or dead-end Prescott. I will wait a year and maybe add 64bit, BTX, Dothan, Serial all the way, etc. into the mix.

Edited.

ROTFLMAO You just crack me up