Intel D975XBX (Bad Axe)

[Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by AHLnut

I use a Pinnacle PVR card along with my sound card to capture VHS tapes. There are several software titles that capture for you. The ones I have used are Pinnacle 9 and Nero Vision Express. The Pinnacle is real easy, that is if the program doesnt crash on you, LOL!! The Nero does a great job, also. Nero was easier for me to include menus. I'm sure piontreyes has more suggestions. Kepp in mind though, the quality will AT BEST be what the tape plays like now. Also, SVHS was FAR superior to me to capture from. The RCA hookup for video isn't that goos at all. Very noticable difference between the 2. Maybe a friend has a VCR you could borrow with SVHS? Or pick up one cheap.

Thank you. This is the kind of info I need to make viable decisons.

If I understand you correctly, using SVHS provides better quality for input even if the orig recording was done as regular VHS? So in-putting via RCA would degrade the signal to some degree?

[Intel_User]

There is really no chipset change I believe between the 955 and 975. Just the ability to run Crossfire and also a capable power delivery system for the 955EE.

There is a change. Because 975X chipset is 2-10% faster than 955X chipsets, which in chipset world, that's amazing.

[Intel_User]

Let me do something to dispel what seems to be dangerously inflating vision of Merom/Conroe.

Intel, I feel, is much better off with their Israeli Haifa team(Pentium M design team) then their American desktop team. They have proved it over 3 generations(Banias, Dothan, Yonah), and I am highly confident it will prove to continue to do so.

There is one thing people overlooks: Intel will have a lead for a VERY short time on AMD, probably 6-9 months.

On 2007, AMD plans to go quad-core. No matter how good Conroe turns out to be, it won't beat quad core performance where it takes advantage of all the cores. Only way would be that AMD's quad-core clocks at 2GHz or something, which is considerably lower than their dual cores.

When that happens, Intel is again gonna pull a stunt like Smithfield. They are gonna take two good dual cores(Conroe) and slap them on together to make quad core. That's gonna put Conroe at 130W, just like Smithfield, and the increase in performance will be mediocre since they would have signifcantly reduced clock speeds. Then Intel is gonna be screwed again. They shouldn't pull a stunt like that, but for publicity, they will.

[pointreyes]

Originally Posted by Zeppelin

Thank you. This is the kind of info I need to make viable decisons.

If I understand you correctly, using SVHS provides better quality for input even if the orig recording was done as regular VHS? So in-putting via RCA would degrade the signal to some degree?

Well, this is what I would like to use but for the cost I would have to have a lot of VHS tapes and be a business generating revenue:
ADVC300 - Bi-directional Analog / Digital Video Conversion
http://www.videoguys.com/ADVC.html (You will need to scroll down to the ADVC300)
Works on x86 and MAC.

Sadly due to my time with the hardware junk I still have not had time to test VHS capture with my system. Here's what I'm intending to use because I was sorely disappointed with Pinnacle Studio:
http://www.avid.com/products/liquidPro/index.asp

Until I can learn how to use this very powerful package I'm using TMPGenc for conversion of my Hauppauge captured shows. TMPGenc provides you with quite a bit for a reasonable amount of cost. I also use their DVD author software which has digital dolby and AC3 support. It also takes advantage of SSE3.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by Intel_User

There is a change. Because 975X chipset is 2-10% faster than 955X chipsets, which in chipset world, that's amazing.

That is true. I meant real feature differences. There is usually a speed increase going to the next chipset. Also when you see reviews compare two products I think they always give the newer product 1-2 FPS more even if they are even. Like you'll see a score of 102.3 to 102.7 in benchies where it's the newer version ahead lol.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by Intel_User

Let me do something to dispel what seems to be dangerously inflating vision of Merom/Conroe.

Intel, I feel, is much better off with their Israeli Haifa team(Pentium M design team) then their American desktop team. They have proved it over 3 generations(Banias, Dothan, Yonah), and I am highly confident it will prove to continue to do so.

There is one thing people overlooks: Intel will have a lead for a VERY short time on AMD, probably 6-9 months.

On 2007, AMD plans to go quad-core. No matter how good Conroe turns out to be, it won't beat quad core performance where it takes advantage of all the cores. Only way would be that AMD's quad-core clocks at 2GHz or something, which is considerably lower than their dual cores.

When that happens, Intel is again gonna pull a stunt like Smithfield. They are gonna take two good dual cores(Conroe) and slap them on together to make quad core. That's gonna put Conroe at 130W, just like Smithfield, and the increase in performance will be mediocre since they would have signifcantly reduced clock speeds. Then Intel is gonna be screwed again. They shouldn't pull a stunt like that, but for publicity, they will.

Who's inflating?...Who?Who?....Me?

I won't let anything spoil Conroe coming out in 6mos. Been waiting a couple of years for this so what happens in 2007 I could care less right now. You are just too use to hearing gloom and doom about Intel CPU's all these years that you can't stop. Intel plans better for the future than AMD IMO. Anyway, how is a 14 stage pipe going to loose out to what AMD has? Did you not hear about all the cache AMD plans on putting on their dies? Pfft, don't ruin Conroe before it even gets here, please.

[AHLnut]

Originally Posted by Zeppelin

Thank you. This is the kind of info I need to make viable decisons.

If I understand you correctly, using SVHS provides better quality for input even if the orig recording was done as regular VHS? So in-putting via RCA would degrade the signal to some degree?

Yes, you sum it up right. This has been my experience. Actually, I think we are referring to S-video connection, not SVHS. If I recall, SVHS is actually an enhanced video format. S-video is a connection type, which carries a higher quality signal than the yellow RCA jack. When converting VHS tapes, my VCR with S-video output died on my. When I used another VCR I had that didn't have the S-video output, I had to use the RCA. There was a VERY noticable difference. So much so, I borrowed a buddy's vcr that had S-video out.

[Intel_User]

Who's inflating?...Who?Who?....Me?

I won't let anything spoil Conroe coming out in 6mos. Been waiting a couple of years for this so what happens in 2007 I could care less right now. You are just too use to hearing gloom and doom about Intel CPU's all these years that you can't stop. Intel plans better for the future than AMD IMO. Anyway, how is a 14 stage pipe going to loose out to what AMD has? Did you not hear about all the cache AMD plans on putting on their dies? Pfft, don't ruin Conroe before it even gets here, please.

Yea I believe Intel will do very good with Conroe. However, I just want to point out that people may really get disappointed with all these good news for Conroe. Truth is that AMD will have quad core in early 2007, and rumors that Intel will pull Smithfield like approach. They shouldn't, should wait to make a better quad core, but looks like they won't.

I can't imagine how disappointed people were when Prescott came as it is. But as since some people were even disappointed with Yonah, I can't see its not possible with Conroe too.

[Intel_User]

Sandog, remember Prescott rumors?? I heard:

-50-60W, significantly cooler than Northwod
-Next generation hyperthreading with significant performance improvements
-Up to 40% faster per clock than Northwood
-4GHz in mid-2003

Of course I think the last three could have been possible without +11 stage pipeline and 2x+ and 1.8x+ latency of L1 and L2 caches.


We know Conroe won't have more integer pipeline stages than Yonah, but the possibility of higher latency caches are not negligible.

[Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by AHLnut

Yes, you sum it up right. This has been my experience. Actually, I think we are referring to S-video connection, not SVHS. If I recall, SVHS is actually an enhanced video format. S-video is a connection type, which carries a higher quality signal than the yellow RCA jack. When converting VHS tapes, my VCR with S-video output died on my. When I used another VCR I had that didn't have the S-video output, I had to use the RCA. There was a VERY noticable difference. So much so, I borrowed a buddy's vcr that had S-video out.

Yes, you are correct S-video out is what we are talking about. Good catch

This is important info you have provided because the quality of the recordings isn't that great to start with on a high number of the tapes.

So that means:
1. New s-video vcr.
2. Video capture device for computer.
3. Video capture software.

Thanks again.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by Intel_User

Yea I believe Intel will do very good with Conroe. However, I just want to point out that people may really get disappointed with all these good news for Conroe. Truth is that AMD will have quad core in early 2007, and rumors that Intel will pull Smithfield like approach. They shouldn't, should wait to make a better quad core, but looks like they won't.

I can't imagine how disappointed people were when Prescott came as it is. But as since some people were even disappointed with Yonah, I can't see its not possible with Conroe too.

Well I did some searching on quad-core and it looks like AMD might not be ready until '08. AMD does seem to have a lot of good things going for it and Intel might not take the crown away even with Conroe but you know what? This speed racing is getting useless. Us home users can't tell the difference anymore. I guarantee you I will never need a quad-core at home. I think the only reason I want the fastest stuff in my box right now is I only have one box lol. I really don't understand why I need the X1900XTX I just bought, I would have to play at 2400x1800 just to get more FPS than what I am using now for a video card. What matters to me is the whole cool package that Intel provides. I read the other day that AMD has no plans what so ever to enter the chipset business and plans to keep keeping VIA, SIS, NVidia in the chipset business. That right there is enough to keep me buying black Intel chipset boards and Intel CPU's to go in them. To tell you the truth (and I know I am an Intel hardhead) as long as Intel gets the heat down that is all I care about. Intel CPU's are very smooth and fast enough and thier chipsets and mobo's are perfect IMO. That is all I want. As far as other things are concerned, Intel needs to concentrate on speed per watt per dollar, not speed only. Companies can buy quad core CPU's in 32 processor SMP systems and you know what they will be worried about? Electric bill. A smart company will do a power cost analysis over the life of the system and include that in the initial cost of the equipment before making a buying decision. Support matters to because that is like insurance and can save you money down the road also.

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by Intel_User

Sandog, remember Prescott rumors?? I heard:

-50-60W, significantly cooler than Northwod
-Next generation hyperthreading with significant performance improvements
-Up to 40% faster per clock than Northwood
-4GHz in mid-2003

Of course I think the last three could have been possible without +11 stage pipeline and 2x+ and 1.8x+ latency of L1 and L2 caches.


We know Conroe won't have more integer pipeline stages than Yonah, but the possibility of higher latency caches are not negligible.

Yeah I remember that but Intel could afford to blow smoke out their azz when Prescott arrived several years ago, they can't pull that crap anymore or let somebody else spread that crap anymore. They are behind now and everybody is counting on them including the CEO and stockholders. Plus, we had no clue about Prescott before it arrived. Conroe is based off Yonah which we already have data on and the data is good.

[Intel_User]

Remember Woodcrest's performance projections?? Here are the numbers I got.

Woodcrest is supposed to be 52% faster than Dempsey, which should be a 3.46GHz Dempsey.

Dempsey gets 1624 specint2K at 3.46GHz.

Now since Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest has improved dual core scaling, we can't assume that Woodcrest will get 1624 x 1.52=2468 in specint2k. So I'll assume Woodcrest can scale PERFECTLY in single to dual core.

Pentium D has dual core scaling performance increase of 1.9x in specint2k.

From that:
1.9/2 x 1624 x 1.52=2345 for Woodcrest

That's really good, except that Woodcrest is gonna come at 2.66GHz for the first version. The best specint2k right now is achieved by Athlon 64 FX-57 at 2.8GHz, which gets 1970 specint2k.

Core Duo specint2k 2.167GHz: 1748
1.667GHz: 1385

Since SpecCPU is workstation app oriented benchmark, it may not be true for desktop apps. However, this is gonna be a boon for workstation users.

If my estimate is true, then Woodcrest will be 11.7% per clock faster in specint than Core Duo(Yonah).

I assume 30% per clock performance increase will be in specfp, since its rumored to be the biggest increase in performance, and right now, even Core DUO's FP performance is weak.

[Zeppelin]

Thanks for the linkys Pointy:wave2:

The equipment is super and should really do the job, but quite a bit more money than I am willing to part with for this project. I would rather start slow and work up to something better if I determine it will be utilized.

This is more of what I had in mind http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=330753. It would appear to allow me to edit, remove commercials, though I don't know about adding chapters. It also doesn't seem to mention anything about dual layer?

Of course this would all be operated on the D875PBZLK with 3.2EE, so there is no worry about stability. Plextor has achieved a good reputation and I don't think they would put out poop!

[Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by sandog

Plus, we had no clue about Prescott before it arrived.

Aint that the truth along with all the wild speculation when it suddenly arrived. My 3.2EE is not a Northwood. I ran it for a little bit on factory air before I gave it the water. It ran cooler than the 3.2C, a Northwood, on air.

I guess I am a lack of heat junky. I simply don't like the heat the current crops of Intel chips generate and that is probably what is keeping me away from any further considerations in the near future. If I have the 3.2C running and the door closed to the room, it heats up like crazy. The 2.8C has much less effect.