Intel D975XBX (Bad Axe)

[Belisarius]

True TQ I agree

[Sandog]

TQ's exactly right, Yonah is a notebook CPU and is not geared toward heavy multi-tasking or gaming although the dual core Yonah does pretty well. Anand is comparing the Yonah to a the latest line AMD desktop dual core processor. The point is this chip (which I am not sure is a final copy) is keeping up with AMD but look at how much less power it uses. This tells me a desktop optimized Conroe that is given a lot more juice is going to well pass the current crop of AMD chips. I really don't mind anyway if Conroe can or can not beat AMD as I will be getting it no matter what. What will be nice for sure is the chip will run a lot cooler.

[Belisarius]

Originally Posted by Sandog

I really don't mind anyway if Conroe can or can not beat AMD as I will be getting it no matter what. What will be nice for sure is the chip will run a lot cooler.

Hell I hope it does, i'm sick of AMD fanboys talking down to me, with no rebuttle points . Currently overpriced, hot, excess power consuming chip which wins absolutely no benchmarks
I want it to be like the days of the NorthwoodB core where even AMD fanboys were converted. I think it will be though, with that article, and it being a good 40W less overall system wise, it bodes well, considering Conroe will have power constraints removed and slightly better architecture, and hopefully a 1066/1333mhz FSB. I wish they would bring the CSI bus into the market, instead of the outdated FSB.

[Sandog]

To me my current system is so fast I don't think about speed much any longer. I run my system all over the place (3.2GHz, 3.6GHz, 3.8GHz, 4.2GHz) and they are all fast and it plays games beautifully. I whoop guys everyday in UT and 99% of them have AMD (consequence of the Intel LAN chip also). I also play C&C Generals with no problems which is a demanding system game. I would like to see if AMD can play this game flawlessy for hours on end, I bet it can't. Anyway I look forward to reduced power consumption, in the world today we need to quit wasting energy. Energy being used always has the by-product of heat. We don't need no stinking 130W processors in a desktop computer to browse dub-dub-dub-dot-com.

[AHLnut]

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/12/01/in...ion/index.html

[Sandog]

Intel is going to make billions (again). This article points out that if you can stay ahead die shrink wise (I believe Intel is at least 6mos ahead of AMD on .65nm) then you can produce a processor that has equal speed at half the cost of the competition. It's a shame that is seems you have to build a whole new multi-billion dollar plant every die shrink.

[Sandog]

I just read a PM from a guy in the know who is testing the D975XBX and new Presler EE that with a single ATI X 1800 XT PCIe card they are acheiving over 16,000 3DMark05 points. Thats pretty incredible wouldn't you say? I hope AMD enjoyed their fame the last couple of years because I think they are going to get passed next year. I am planning on getting this system but instead of the X1800 XT I was going to keep my 7800 GTX 256 until the ATI R580 arrives early next year. I am also waiting on some new Corsair DDR2 1024MB low latency sticks to be developed.

[AHLnut]

Originally Posted by Sandog

Intel is going to make billions (again). This article points out that if you can stay ahead die shrink wise (I believe Intel is at least 6mos ahead of AMD on .65nm) then you can produce a processor that has equal speed at half the cost of the competition. It's a shame that is seems you have to build a whole new multi-billion dollar plant every die shrink.

Don't be too sure. Intel beat AMD to .90 process, and we all know how that story ends LOL

[Belisarius]

Originally Posted by AHLnut

Don't be too sure. Intel beat AMD to .90 process, and we all know how that story ends LOL

Yeah but it was quite evident with even engineering samples of socket 478 Prescotts, things weren't entirely going to plan and they were extremely hot. Whereas it has already been proven with the Presler and Cedarmill engineering samples that Intel has made some amends with the 65nm shrink, 20% less power output, with twice as much cache on the Presler, sounds alright to me.
A large corporation like Intel (who is finally starting to lose some serious ground, well in their eyes anyway, to a competitor) isn't gonna make the same mistake twice. It'll be a piece of paper hung on every internal wall more than likely with a friendly reminder on it.

[AHLnut]

Originally Posted by Belisarius

Yeah but it was quite evident with even engineering samples of socket 478 Prescotts, things weren't entirely going to plan and they were extremely hot. Whereas it has already been proven with the Presler and Cedarmill engineering samples that Intel has made some amends with the 65nm shrink, 20% less power output, with twice as much cache on the Presler, sounds alright to me.
A large corporation like Intel (who is finally starting to lose some serious ground, well in their eyes anyway, to a competitor) isn't gonna make the same mistake twice. It'll be a piece of paper hung on every internal wall more than likely with a friendly reminder on it.

I hope Intel's next processors are all they claim they will be. I just want retail proof, not early release stuff. While my latest system is AMD, I am looking forward to Intel's new stuff when released. Intel is definitely looking better and better, and my next system may very well be Intel Time will tell of course

[Sandog]

I had a run in with a Centrino notebook with a 1.9GHz Dothan I believe and it ran a routing program very smooth even while a few other programs were open. A 2.53GHz P4 desktop was slow in using the same program. The Dothan runs very smooth as those with a notebook with Centrino tech probably know. Conroe will be awesome. Oh, and starting from around maybe Q2/06 to Q2/07 I bet Intel breaks the $50,000,000,000.00 mark. AMD may have cut into more market share for server and desktop CPU's but they sure haven't cut into Intels profits which have grown better than AMD's.

[Sandog]

Here's some more pics.

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about...f3a4bfe557855f

[Belisarius]

Looks ok, dont understand the 3rd x16 slot, but hey, I dont understand a lot of things LOL. Just found out my Asus 955X supports Presler and cedarmill from Asus themselves, and also dual x8 crossfire. But thats a bit of a no brainer, as there are minimal overpriced "crossfire master cards" over here at the moment. So as you can imagine, i'm a happy little chappy :-)

[Sandog]

Originally Posted by Belisarius

Looks ok, dont understand the 3rd x16 slot, but hey, I dont understand a lot of things LOL. Just found out my Asus 955X supports Presler and cedarmill from Asus themselves, and also dual x8 crossfire. But thats a bit of a no brainer, as there are minimal overpriced "crossfire master cards" over here at the moment. So as you can imagine, i'm a happy little chappy :-)

Under one of the pics is this:

"Papers with the board explain that it has 2 PCI Express controllers in the MCH to enable either 1 x 16 or 2 x 8 operation for the 16 PCI Express lanes. In addition to multiple thread support, the Intel 975X Express Chipset enables key performance-optimized capabilities such as support for multiple 2x8 graphics cards, Intel Memory Pipeline Technology (Intel MPT), 8GB memory addressability to enable 64-bit computing, and ECC memory support."

It could be that if you enable 1x16 it uses the first slot. If you enable 2x8 it uses the other two slots. The board traces may be different for 2x8 or maybe it is easier to have the other two sockets. Intel has an extra PCIe slot on my D955XBK board (x1) so I could be wrong and the third PCIe slot on the D975XBX board is a spare also. It makes sense that a x16 slot should work at x8, x4, x2, x1 also.

Also in that paragraph take note at the end that the 975X chipset supports a whopping 8GB of RAM and ECC at that.

[Miles]

I don't think there's any doubt that 2006 will be a much bettter year for new and innovative equipment than the last year has been. I'm a fan of Intel equipment as well and hope the competition gets red hot once again! We, the "Computer Enthusiasts", will profit almost as much as the manufacturers will