Operating System / Software Installation Guide

[Mr Steveo]

Originally posted by BBThumper
....I would normally agree with you but I have seen it done. Like I said before, others have done it but many could not. Even the ones who could not would just redid the array, losing everything on the H/d's, and reformat - new install. I don't understand why he hit this problem he is having.......

Promise and Intel compatible huh? Interesting. I will have to remember that if I ever plop my ole Promise card into my rig.


That was nice of you to start a new thread for the guy. Hopefully he gets it sorted out.

[sumrtym]

Ok, here's a quick note for the AIW portion:

Upgrading tonight with the new MMC and drivers does NOT work the same as previously. If you install the WDM capture drivers, install CATs, reboot, and then install the control panel, you'll discover that your capture drivers are question marks in device manager. After you install the DAO, DVD player, and MMC, you'll discover the TV application can't launch.

I think that the video capture must now come last, or at least after the CATs. Rather than uninstall and reinstall, I first tried just installing the capture drivers over themselves again. This got the TV working, but the scheduled record menu looked like it screwed up the options for naming conventions for some reason (not all listed). So, I thought, maybe I screwed up and after uninstalling (ATI utility plus DriverCleaner/Cab Cleaner), I did the same order again for WDM, CATs, and control panel. Sure enough, question marks on the WDM drivers in device manager. I again installed the WDM and overwrote the previous installation, and THEN (this time) finished the DAO, DVD player, and MMC. Worked flawlessly this time.

That's why I say I think that now the capture needs to come at the end. I think that's what the ATI 3 in 1 package order installation is as well.

Like I said, Steve, your order worked in the past, but not this time.

[Mr Steveo]

Originally posted by sumrtym
Ok, here's a quick note for the AIW portion:

Upgrading tonight with the new MMC and drivers does NOT work the same as previously. If you install the WDM capture drivers, install CATs, reboot, and then install the control panel, you'll discover that your capture drivers are question marks in device manager. After you install the DAO, DVD player, and MMC, you'll discover the TV application can't launch.

I think that the video capture must now come last, or at least after the CATs. Rather than uninstall and reinstall, I first tried just installing the capture drivers over themselves again. This got the TV working, but the scheduled record menu looked like it screwed up the options for naming conventions for some reason (not all listed). So, I thought, maybe I screwed up and after uninstalling (ATI utility plus DriverCleaner/Cab Cleaner), I did the same order again for WDM, CATs, and control panel. Sure enough, question marks on the WDM drivers in device manager. I again installed the WDM and overwrote the previous installation, and THEN (this time) finished the DAO, DVD player, and MMC. Worked flawlessly this time.

That's why I say I think that now the capture needs to come at the end. I think that's what the ATI 3 in 1 package order installation is as well.

Like I said, Steve, your order worked in the past, but not this time.

WOW! OK Thats going to require a revision. Beginning tomorrow Im not going to be around the forum much. So heres the plan: If I have time to reverse the order in the ATI section of the forum Guide and downloadable Guide, plus add some revisions suggested by others; I will do so. If Im pressed for time tomorrow Ill just block o ut the AIW section and temporarily link people to the info you just posted.

sumrtym, thank you VERY much for finding this change. Im sure it will be helpful to many people out there!

[Mr Steveo]

Guide Update:


version 3.a.3

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Format change: AIW ATI video card driver installation routine changed redirecting folks to sumrtym's updated instructions


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version 3.a.2

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1. Update nVidia driver download link to correct webpage.
2. Fix typo found by macmichael.

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NOTE

To those who have submitted content related suggestions:
Due to lack of time this morning, and due to the minor formatting update of this latest revision; content revisions suggested recently by forum members were not updated in this version. These content revisions will be made as previously discussed at the next regularly scheduled content revision update to the Guide. Hopefully thats cool with you folks who have contributed.

Thanks.

[sumrtym]

I wouldn't completely reverse that order. Instead, I'd do CATs, then driver panel, then the WDM capture drivers. I don't think you want driver panel before the CATs.

Yea, I was surprised. And like I said, if I did the MAO, DVD, and then MMC, and finally reinstall the WDM, it LOOKED like it worked/fixed it, except when I started getting into the nitty gritty of the scheduled record options.

Just as an aside, the CAT 4.2 with this 8.9 MMC is the most stable of any combo I've experienced from ATI. I've tried some simple things that have made the software crash in the past <report error dialog with MMC crash, usually when exiting EazyLook> and have yet to crash MMC in testing. Highly recommend it to those with an AIW.

BTW, Steve, if I haven't said it a 1000 times before (and trust me, that's not too much) thanks for your work on this guide and also making a downloadable version available. You've saved me a ton of headaches on my installs.

[Holartic]

Hello Mr. Stevo,

I have a few questions:

I. In the guide where you mention that it would be wise to go ahead and patch MSN messenger, would it also to wise to patch AOL IM, ICQ or any other messaging service or just MSN messenger?


II. In Step 5 of the quick steps guide you mention "Q822603" if you follow the link it actually says "KB822603." I suppose that's just a minor typo, or could that possibly be the wrong link?

Thanks again for the excellent guide!

[AHLnut]

I believe Mr Steveo specifically addressed MSN Messenger is because it is installed by default in XP installations. And, since it is installed, you should get the latest patch that closes security holes. The other programs you mentioned are not installed by XP, hence they are not covered in the guide.

Of course, if there is a security leak with any program, you should of course get and patches or latest varsions that fix the security issue.

[Dan-Baer]

Can anyone tell me the difference between MSN messenger and Windows messenger? Why would I want to keep Windows messenger 4.x when I now have MSN messenger 6.x which seems to be far more versitile?

[Nefarious]

I'm not sure about this, but I dont think you can uninstall windows messenger. I have read somewhere that you can uninstall it by going to add/remove programs, then go to add/remove windows components. if this is possible, it isn't for me, i can't find it or its not there.

[BBThumper]

Originally posted by Nefarious
I'm not sure about this, but I dont think you can uninstall windows messenger. I have read somewhere that you can uninstall it by going to add/remove programs, then go to add/remove windows components. if this is possible, it isn't for me, i can't find it or its not there.

.....when SP1a is installed, go to ADD/Remove programs, click on Add/Remove Window componets, uncheck indexing service, MSN, and MSN messenger, click next and it should remove those things. You don't need anything from MSN and the indexing service actually slows down your H/d........

[Nefarious]

Thanks BBT, I'll check it out.

[Cole_abx]

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I'm not sure about this, but I dont think you can uninstall windows messenger. I have read somewhere that you can uninstall it by going to add/remove programs, then go to add/remove windows components. if this is possible, it isn't for me, i can't find it or its not there.

Yes and if you dont see the Windows Messenger in the windows components area it isnt installed in your system and so you should be ok. But I would think that if it isnt showing in you windows components that somewhere down the line it must have been uninstalled since it cant be avoided when you install XP it is automatically done at the same time with no option to not install it availible.

Maybe XP Professional is the OS that puts this on automatically?
Or does the XP Home version also do it automatically as well?

I cant rremember what the case was the last time I installed Home version?

Coleman :beer

[Sierra_abx]

Originally posted by BBThumper
.....when SP1a is installed, go to ADD/Remove programs, click on Add/Remove Window componets, uncheck indexing service, MSN, and MSN messenger, click next and it should remove those things. You don't need anything from MSN and the indexing service actually slows down your H/d........

Good tip, BBT.

[Dan-Baer]

It is MSN messenger I like, it has improved features. Windows messenger is then redundant. I have removed it but it seems to have 9 lives :-)
I am using Xp Pro on this computer but I have two others that have Xp home, same deal.

[Mr Steveo]

Originally posted by sumrtym
I wouldn't completely reverse that order. Instead, I'd do CATs, then driver panel, then the WDM capture drivers. I don't think you want driver panel before the CATs. . . .

Thanks for the additional clarification. I sorta gathered that from your excellent post on the last page. When you get a chance please review the updated version of the Guide and see if I got it right.

Originally posted by Holartic

I. . . .would it also to wise to patch AOL IM, ICQ or any other messaging service or just MSN messenger?


II. In Step 5 of the quick steps guide you mention "Q822603" if you follow the link it actually says "KB822603." I suppose that's just a minor typo, or could that possibly be the wrong link? . . .

1. AHLnut subesequently answered this question well.

2. You previously asked this question and I replied to it. See here
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...296#post670296

Originally posted by AHLnut
I believe Mr Steveo specifically addressed MSN Messenger is because it is installed by default in XP installations. And, since it is installed, you should get the latest patch that closes security holes. The other programs you mentioned are not installed by XP, hence they are not covered in the guide.

Of course, if there is a security leak with any program, you should of course get and patches or latest varsions that fix the security issue.

As always AHLnut, thanks go out to you and others who are able to help out in this thread when Im unavailable. Kudos!


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MSN and Windows XP Messenger topics

Originally posted by Dan-Baer
Can anyone tell me the difference between MSN messenger and Windows messenger? Why would I want to keep Windows messenger 4.x when I now have MSN messenger 6.x which seems to be far more versitile?

IIRC Features such as remote assistance, remote desktop, and a handful of other features are exclusive to Windows XP Messenger. OTOH, it seems MS is updating and adding features more frequently to MSN Messenger. Since its ok to have both programs on your computer, you dont necessarily need to choose one or the other.

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Originally posted by Nefarious
I'm not sure about this, but I dont think you can uninstall windows messenger. . .

Originally posted by BBThumper
.....when SP1a is installed, go to ADD/Remove programs, click on Add/Remove Window componets, uncheck indexing service, MSN, and MSN messenger, click next and it should remove those things. You don't need anything from MSN and the indexing service actually slows down your H/d........

Originally posted by Nefarious
Thanks BBT, I'll check it out.

Originally posted by sierra_bound
Good tip, BBT.

Originally posted by Cole
: . . . if you dont see the Windows Messenger in the windows components area it isnt installed in your system and so you should be ok.. . .

Originally posted by Dan-Baer
It is MSN messenger I like, it has improved features. Windows messenger is then redundant. I have removed it but it seems to have 9 lives . . .

Nefarious:
Yes Windows XP Messenger can be fully uninstalled.

Cole:
Thats not necessarily true. There may still be remnant components installed.

BBT:
The method you posted will not fully uninstall Windows XP Messenger. Core components will remain. Your method is simply removing icon access to the program.

Nefarious, Cole, BBT, sierra bound, Dan-Baer:
For instructions on fully uninstalling Windows XP Messenger, please follow the instructions from the link below:

http://messenger.jonathankay.com/problem.aspx?ID=7




(edit) Typos!!! Arrrgh. Fixed