"P4C800-E Deluxe" OC'ing tips etc. - Page 16

lament · 02-29-2004, 04:33 PM

yeah i'm not super crazy with OCing - a noob in fact taking in all this information.

i'm going from a 1.6 P4T-E (RDRAM, no oc) to a P4C800-E 2.8C (DDR and jumping into OCing). kinda scared.

what program are you using to test the RAM, and are you running it from a bootable ISO?

DanX · 02-29-2004, 04:47 PM

>>lament

You should wait with your overclocking untill you get a good and stable install of your OS first.

When you've done with all servicepacks and drivers you can start
to overclock.

Usually people tell you to increase the FSB with increments of around 5MHz and then boot up and run some heavy cpu intensive applications ( Prime95 / Memtest ) to see if windows/system is stable.

In my case I read alot about how much other people with the same CPU overclocked and just went for the average all at once.
So I upped my fsb 50MHz (250) and was fortunate to make it stable into windows at once

And after that I ran the diagnostics.

I'd really recomend the A-DATA PC4000 memory ! they can go stable well over there recomendations and will in most cases NOT be the one component holding your OC back. ( In my case its the CPU ).

Sierra_abx · 02-29-2004, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lament
But I'm wondering what programs i can use to test my memory to see if everything is doing OK - preferably some freeware - and what i should be looking for to make sure things are stable.

i see memtest being mentioned, and i'm thinking it's preferable to tweak the memory settings first (booting with an iso and running it before the OS installation)?

Yes, you should test the memory before installing the OS. Memtest86 is good. There's another program called GoldMemory which is also good.

http://www.memtest86.com/
http://www.goldmemory.cz/

lament · 02-29-2004, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DanX
>>lament

I'd really recomend the A-DATA PC4000 memory ! they can go stable well over there recomendations and will in most cases NOT be the one component holding your OC back. ( In my case its the CPU ).

the Kingstons will be in tomorrow.

i don't have to pay tax (going through a friend whose company deals with a wholesaler) - so i'm not worried. thanks for the recommendation, though. i did notice your specs.

here's another noob question:

how do you guys have your fans setup?

i have an Enermax CS-800TA case and the P4C800-E has connector for CPU fan, power fan and chassis fan.

The case has a side fan (with adjustable speed), and it comes with a 430W Enermax PS with a top and back fan. It has spots for a fan in the back and front.

so i'm wondering which of those 3 fans (front, back, side) should i connect to the chassis fan connector?

And also the case also has a digital thermal readout on the front and a connector that I can connect anywhere i want to monitor. where should i put the thermal connector?

sorry for these questions.. but you guys are really helpful and i appreciate it. thanks!

DanX · 02-29-2004, 05:04 PM

Well you should stick to using the labeled connetors on the mobo to the extend its possible.

They are alla labeled. (chassis , P-fan etc )
As loong as you know which one you've connected its alright

Still you will probably end up having to use a separate molex connector for at least one of the fans.
I'd recomend the fan on the side..since its not as important to monitor it.

All fans connected to the mobo on the other hand can be monitored för RPM ( fan speed ) and and failures should they occur.

In reality the most important one to have monitored is the CPU fan.

An easy answer is : anyone you want

But I think I would have chosen the "back" fan since its important to get the hot air out of your "box" and therefore important to monitor.

Regarding the Thermal connector I'd use it to monitor my GPU ( videocards) temps...since I dont have a built in sensor on it.
This is especially good if you plan to OC your GPU

DanX · 02-29-2004, 05:14 PM

Oh, and about the memory.
What I did when I was selecting my memory was looking at a bunch of reviews.

From that I learned what setting the memory modules could handle ( CAS ) and what speeds they were able to reach !
( overclocked of course )

This is really a good ide since you then already know ALMOST for certain how to configure them in bios once you get them yourself.

My memory's buffered bandwith is 6100Mb/s and thats quite good !
Running them 1:1 at 255MHz , quad pumped equals 1020MHz

And since they are one of the cheapest around I'm more than satisfied.

EDIT: ! added a few thing to my previous reply/post regarding your fans etc.

NizZ8 · 03-03-2004, 03:55 AM

DanX,

Like the setup, i have the same, cept i have a 2.8c that i'm working with. RMA'ing a p4s800d-e Mobo for the p4c800-e.

It's great to hear that @ 255fsb you're hitting 6000+ sandra scores with the a-data pc4000 2x512 kit.. did you pick yours up from KomUSA?

I'll post back here what i get when the new mobo comes in!

Do you have any other mods on the mobo, other than a zalman cooler?

DanX · 03-04-2004, 07:09 AM

No I bought it here in Sweden

http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/datas...Id=512DDRAD500

That's 198USD, but the price was lower when I bought them.

No I have nothing else thats "special" in any way

2 120mm fans on the front of the case and one in the back.

But I have PAT/Turbo mode enabled and the DRAM IDLE/refresh settings increase the bandwith a bit also. (BIOS)

Also the timings are a bit lower than standard.
If you manage to get your cpu up to 3.5GHz you should
get at least 6000Mb+ in Sandra.

( alla setting can be found on the 1st post in the thread )

NizZ8 · 03-06-2004, 07:00 PM

Thanks for this thread.. i'll be referencing it quite frequently while i'm trying to get my settings squared away for the new p4c!

D@ve · 03-09-2004, 05:49 PM

Hi,
My first post here, surely not my first visit to this forum though! helpfull resource!
Anyway, i've bought my system about 6 months ago, but all this time I didn't really got to "finetune" (=OC) it.
After quiet a bit of research (a couple of forums like this, and manufacture forums like Corsairs Ramguy.) I sort of figured out what would be the right settings for me.
I would like to share them with you, maybe some of them aren't right yet.
Let's just state those settings that interest me the most first, then I've got a few questions I'd like to ask....
At this stage, my system seems to be running stable, no prob. so far. I did the memtest for a few hours, no probs there either.
(although it's says ECC is disabled, but I gues the mobo doesn't supp. ECC @ PC3700 (asus.com)

Prim. IDE 32bit enabled ??
Enhanced mode for P-ATA S-ATA
Conf S-ATA = No
IDE detection 35

Jumperfree config (Manual :-)
Cpu ext. clock 233mhz (1:1 to enable 467mhz on my pc3700 mem)
DRAM freq. 400
AGP/PCI 66.66/33.33
Cpu core voltage Auto
DDR Ref. voltage 2.75
AGP VDDQ voltage 1.70 ??
Performance mode Turbo
Hyper Threading enabled

Mem. timings:
Conf DRAM timing by SPD Disabled
Cas# latency 3.0
Ras# precharge 4
Ras# to Cas# delay 4
Precharge delay 8
Burst length 8

AGP aperture size 256mb
Spread spectrum enabled ??
ICH Delayed transaction enabled ??
MPS Revision 1.4

PCI latency time 64 ??
Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA yes ??
PCI bus mastering ??

Legacy USB support disabled

Ok, I would really appreciate it if some people could "review" my settings, and check if I they're correct. So suggestions, corrections, questions? please post them here as well!

Also, i've put a few question marks in that list, next to settings of which I'm not quiet sure what they do, or how they affect system performance. (Although I do think I got the right setting values for them.) Maybe someone can shine a light on those for me.

Last but not least. I've bought that Hercules for a few reasons, one of them is the possitive reviews on oc that vga card.
I've used the 3dtweaker tool, that is provided with the card, but i'm not quiet sure what the best sett. are. Are the clock/mem timings of the vga card in any relation with the mainboard/cpu.

That's it! Sorry for this long en selfish post, couldn't find a way to make it shorter though!
Thanx!

ps.
p4 runs @3.5ghz (maybe obvious if you check my settings)

DanX · 03-11-2004, 04:47 AM

As I mentioned (so many times before)

You can find the settings and a short explanation for most of them on the 1st post in this thread.

As for the rest of them I can help you once you sorted out those
you can find an answer to here (1st post)

D@ve · 03-11-2004, 06:19 AM

.... Of course I READ threads before I post. The settings i'm after, surely aren't mentioned in the first post. Please if you do want to go through the trouble to awnser my post (for which I would be very happy with,) read it first. Besides mem. settings and or processor settings are also model related... right?

DanX · 03-12-2004, 03:34 AM

AGP VDDQ voltage 1.70 ??
-
No reason to have it above 1.5
You could try to see if it oc's better when its on 1.7-1.8
but I doubt it.
(This is also answered in the 1st post in this thread)

Prim. IDE 32bit enabled ??
-
Haven't noticed this one,but I'm using Raid.
Leave it enabled 32bit transfers are better than 16bit.
You could also lower the IDE detection time to 5sec.
There's no point in having a 35sec wait.

Mem timings.
I'm not familiar with your memory but perhaps you can set tighter timings. Do a search and se what others have squeezed out of it.

Spread spectrum enabled ??
-
Disable it and you should get a higher OC.

ICH Delayed transaction enabled ??
-
Disable it.
( Is also explained further in the 1st post )

PCI latency time 64 ??
-
( It's also explained further in the 1st post )
Set it to 32 and if you dont experience any malfunctions leave it there.

Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA yes ??
-
No, since you don't have a PCI VGA card it would be useless.

PCI bus mastering ??
-
Enable, improves performance.

Thats about it.

D@ve · 03-12-2004, 06:23 AM

Thanks for your input. I'll try out your suggestions!
Cheers!

There is another issue i'd like to discuss. Since I use this system, I sometimes experience that the computer just won't boot. Screen stays blank, nothing happens. When I power off and on, it just starts with no problem.
(Sometimes when you actually have been fiddling with OC settings, the Bios reports "overclocking failed." This seems like a reasonable explanation, but as I said, sometimes it won't boot without a reason!)

Maybe someone has/is experiences the same issue here?

ps.
I'll also have a second look in the FIRST post in this thread

mysteryman · 03-14-2004, 10:59 AM

When I set my bios to 1.6v vcore for asus p4c800e-dlx, I get
1.648, 1.664 in asus probe.

Is this too high? Should I be worried?

02-29-2004, 04:33 PM	#226
lament Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19	yeah i'm not super crazy with OCing - a noob in fact taking in all this information. i'm going from a 1.6 P4T-E (RDRAM, no oc) to a P4C800-E 2.8C (DDR and jumping into OCing). kinda scared. what program are you using to test the RAM, and are you running it from a bootable ISO?
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02-29-2004, 04:47 PM	#227
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	>>lament You should wait with your overclocking untill you get a good and stable install of your OS first. When you've done with all servicepacks and drivers you can start to overclock. Usually people tell you to increase the FSB with increments of around 5MHz and then boot up and run some heavy cpu intensive applications ( Prime95 / Memtest ) to see if windows/system is stable. In my case I read alot about how much other people with the same CPU overclocked and just went for the average all at once. So I upped my fsb 50MHz (250) and was fortunate to make it stable into windows at once And after that I ran the diagnostics. I'd really recomend the A-DATA PC4000 memory ! they can go stable well over there recomendations and will in most cases NOT be the one component holding your OC back. ( In my case its the CPU ). __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE Last edited by DanX : 02-29-2004 at 05:19 PM.
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02-29-2004, 05:04 PM	#230
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	Well you should stick to using the labeled connetors on the mobo to the extend its possible. They are alla labeled. (chassis , P-fan etc ) As loong as you know which one you've connected its alright Still you will probably end up having to use a separate molex connector for at least one of the fans. I'd recomend the fan on the side..since its not as important to monitor it. All fans connected to the mobo on the other hand can be monitored för RPM ( fan speed ) and and failures should they occur. In reality the most important one to have monitored is the CPU fan. An easy answer is : anyone you want But I think I would have chosen the "back" fan since its important to get the hot air out of your "box" and therefore important to monitor. Regarding the Thermal connector I'd use it to monitor my GPU ( videocards) temps...since I dont have a built in sensor on it. This is especially good if you plan to OC your GPU __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE Last edited by DanX : 02-29-2004 at 05:25 PM.
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02-29-2004, 05:14 PM	#231
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	Oh, and about the memory. What I did when I was selecting my memory was looking at a bunch of reviews. From that I learned what setting the memory modules could handle ( CAS ) and what speeds they were able to reach ! ( overclocked of course ) This is really a good ide since you then already know ALMOST for certain how to configure them in bios once you get them yourself. My memory's buffered bandwith is 6100Mb/s and thats quite good ! Running them 1:1 at 255MHz , quad pumped equals 1020MHz And since they are one of the cheapest around I'm more than satisfied. EDIT: ! added a few thing to my previous reply/post regarding your fans etc. __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE Last edited by DanX : 02-29-2004 at 05:27 PM.
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03-03-2004, 03:55 AM	#232
NizZ8 [abX]_NizZ8 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 357	DanX, Like the setup, i have the same, cept i have a 2.8c that i'm working with. RMA'ing a p4s800d-e Mobo for the p4c800-e. It's great to hear that @ 255fsb you're hitting 6000+ sandra scores with the a-data pc4000 2x512 kit.. did you pick yours up from KomUSA? I'll post back here what i get when the new mobo comes in! Do you have any other mods on the mobo, other than a zalman cooler? __________________ -NizZ8 NizZ8 dot Com
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03-04-2004, 07:09 AM	#233
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	No I bought it here in Sweden http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/datas...Id=512DDRAD500 That's 198USD, but the price was lower when I bought them. No I have nothing else thats "special" in any way 2 120mm fans on the front of the case and one in the back. But I have PAT/Turbo mode enabled and the DRAM IDLE/refresh settings increase the bandwith a bit also. (BIOS) Also the timings are a bit lower than standard. If you manage to get your cpu up to 3.5GHz you should get at least 6000Mb+ in Sandra. ( alla setting can be found on the 1st post in the thread ) __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE Last edited by DanX : 03-04-2004 at 07:15 AM.
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03-06-2004, 07:00 PM	#234
NizZ8 [abX]_NizZ8 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 357	Thanks for this thread.. i'll be referencing it quite frequently while i'm trying to get my settings squared away for the new p4c! __________________ -NizZ8 NizZ8 dot Com
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03-09-2004, 05:49 PM	#235
D@ve Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 4	My P4C800-E config Hi, My first post here, surely not my first visit to this forum though! helpfull resource! Anyway, i've bought my system about 6 months ago, but all this time I didn't really got to "finetune" (=OC) it. After quiet a bit of research (a couple of forums like this, and manufacture forums like Corsairs Ramguy.) I sort of figured out what would be the right settings for me. I would like to share them with you, maybe some of them aren't right yet. Let's just state those settings that interest me the most first, then I've got a few questions I'd like to ask.... At this stage, my system seems to be running stable, no prob. so far. I did the memtest for a few hours, no probs there either. (although it's says ECC is disabled, but I gues the mobo doesn't supp. ECC @ PC3700 (asus.com) Prim. IDE 32bit enabled ?? Enhanced mode for P-ATA S-ATA Conf S-ATA = No IDE detection 35 Jumperfree config (Manual :-) Cpu ext. clock 233mhz (1:1 to enable 467mhz on my pc3700 mem) DRAM freq. 400 AGP/PCI 66.66/33.33 Cpu core voltage Auto DDR Ref. voltage 2.75 AGP VDDQ voltage 1.70 ?? Performance mode Turbo Hyper Threading enabled Mem. timings: Conf DRAM timing by SPD Disabled Cas# latency 3.0 Ras# precharge 4 Ras# to Cas# delay 4 Precharge delay 8 Burst length 8 AGP aperture size 256mb Spread spectrum enabled ?? ICH Delayed transaction enabled ?? MPS Revision 1.4 PCI latency time 64 ?? Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA yes ?? PCI bus mastering ?? Legacy USB support disabled Ok, I would really appreciate it if some people could "review" my settings, and check if I they're correct. So suggestions, corrections, questions? please post them here as well! Also, i've put a few question marks in that list, next to settings of which I'm not quiet sure what they do, or how they affect system performance. (Although I do think I got the right setting values for them.) Maybe someone can shine a light on those for me. Last but not least. I've bought that Hercules for a few reasons, one of them is the possitive reviews on oc that vga card. I've used the 3dtweaker tool, that is provided with the card, but i'm not quiet sure what the best sett. are. Are the clock/mem timings of the vga card in any relation with the mainboard/cpu. That's it! Sorry for this long en selfish post, couldn't find a way to make it shorter though! Thanx! ps. p4 runs @3.5ghz (maybe obvious if you check my settings) __________________ SySpecs: P4C800-E Deluxe (bios 1016) P4 3.0Ghz, 800Mhz Zalman CNPS7000-Cu Copper 2x512MB Corsair TWINX PC3700PT C2 Plat. Hercules 3D Prophet 9800 Pro Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480W Thermaltake Xaser 3 V2000A Western Digital 80GB, IDE, 8MB Cache Plextor PX-116A 16x48 / Plextor Premium 52x32x52 (Both 8MB Cache) Running XP Pro. Last edited by D@ve : 03-09-2004 at 06:03 PM.
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03-11-2004, 04:47 AM	#236
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	As I mentioned (so many times before) You can find the settings and a short explanation for most of them on the 1st post in this thread. As for the rest of them I can help you once you sorted out those you can find an answer to here (1st post) __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE
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03-11-2004, 06:19 AM	#237
D@ve Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 4	.... Of course I READ threads before I post. The settings i'm after, surely aren't mentioned in the first post. Please if you do want to go through the trouble to awnser my post (for which I would be very happy with,) read it first. Besides mem. settings and or processor settings are also model related... right? __________________ SySpecs: P4C800-E Deluxe (bios 1016) P4 3.0Ghz, 800Mhz Zalman CNPS7000-Cu Copper 2x512MB Corsair TWINX PC3700PT C2 Plat. Hercules 3D Prophet 9800 Pro Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480W Thermaltake Xaser 3 V2000A Western Digital 80GB, IDE, 8MB Cache Plextor PX-116A 16x48 / Plextor Premium 52x32x52 (Both 8MB Cache) Running XP Pro.
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03-12-2004, 03:34 AM	#238
DanX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 131	AGP VDDQ voltage 1.70 ?? - No reason to have it above 1.5 You could try to see if it oc's better when its on 1.7-1.8 but I doubt it. (This is also answered in the 1st post in this thread) Prim. IDE 32bit enabled ?? - Haven't noticed this one,but I'm using Raid. Leave it enabled 32bit transfers are better than 16bit. You could also lower the IDE detection time to 5sec. There's no point in having a 35sec wait. Mem timings. I'm not familiar with your memory but perhaps you can set tighter timings. Do a search and se what others have squeezed out of it. Spread spectrum enabled ?? - Disable it and you should get a higher OC. ICH Delayed transaction enabled ?? - Disable it. ( Is also explained further in the 1st post ) PCI latency time 64 ?? - ( It's also explained further in the 1st post ) Set it to 32 and if you dont experience any malfunctions leave it there. Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA yes ?? - No, since you don't have a PCI VGA card it would be useless. PCI bus mastering ?? - Enable, improves performance. Thats about it. __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe P4 2.6C@3.3GHz 2x A-DATA 512Mb PC4000 FSB 1020MHz 1:1 ATI Radeon X800PRO @ X800XT PE
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03-12-2004, 06:23 AM	#239
D@ve Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 4	Thanks for your input. I'll try out your suggestions! Cheers! There is another issue i'd like to discuss. Since I use this system, I sometimes experience that the computer just won't boot. Screen stays blank, nothing happens. When I power off and on, it just starts with no problem. (Sometimes when you actually have been fiddling with OC settings, the Bios reports "overclocking failed." This seems like a reasonable explanation, but as I said, sometimes it won't boot without a reason!) Maybe someone has/is experiences the same issue here? ps. I'll also have a second look in the FIRST post in this thread __________________ SySpecs: P4C800-E Deluxe (bios 1016) P4 3.0Ghz, 800Mhz Zalman CNPS7000-Cu Copper 2x512MB Corsair TWINX PC3700PT C2 Plat. Hercules 3D Prophet 9800 Pro Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480W Thermaltake Xaser 3 V2000A Western Digital 80GB, IDE, 8MB Cache Plextor PX-116A 16x48 / Plextor Premium 52x32x52 (Both 8MB Cache) Running XP Pro. Last edited by D@ve : 03-12-2004 at 10:14 AM.
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03-14-2004, 10:59 AM	#240
mysteryman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 96	When I set my bios to 1.6v vcore for asus p4c800e-dlx, I get 1.648, 1.664 in asus probe. Is this too high? Should I be worried?
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