"P4C800-E Deluxe" OC'ing tips etc. - Page 5

JoeBar · 12-01-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BBThumper
......if I can watch and download a good porno, at the same time, then my system is stable ..............

Cowinacape · 12-02-2003, 11:23 PM

Well using DanX's tips, I have been fortunate enouhg to get my 2.8C up to 3.43 stable enough to game with, had it up to 3.5 and could surf, mail ect. but anything much heavier, and it would crash on me.

Goin to keep trying to monkey with it on and off to see if I can't get it to stabalize at 3.5 (maybe a bit more) once I get it's final home finished off. More would be nice, but I am definetly not complaining with it at 3.4+

OC-Otto · 12-03-2003, 07:30 AM

Hiya,

I'm new to this thread, so correct me if I've missed something. Here's the thing:

I OC'd my machine to a FSB of 233 (OEM DDR400 running 1:1@466, i know, ***??)
It's running stable at this speed on all default voltages and PAT enabled. 3DMark03 = 6k+

The thing is that my goal is to get a higher framerate for better gaming-performance, but 233FSB doesn't really make a big difference with running 200FSB (only 200 points in 3DMark03), so I thought it would be cool to OC to 3,5Ghz (FSB250) with mem running at stock speed (400DDR). With default voltages and PAT enabled, it crashes during 3DMark03 (blue screen) and restarts. The framerates sofar though, are pretty F$#%^%$ high!!!!

So, mem is dual channel @ 2.5-3-3-8-8, timing @ 0T, refresh @ 64uSec, PAT enabled, vcore @ 1.525, vdimm @ 2.55, vagp @ 1.5.....

How do I get it stable @ 3.5Ghz? Do I need to up the vdimm, or the vcore, and to what values????

One more question. Whenever i turn on the TURBO mode, my computer won't boot even when all default values are set???
Is this the memory???

Update:
P4C800-E Deluxe
2.8C
2 x OEM DDR400 512MB in Dual Channel
2 x Maxtor 120GB SATA 8M on ICH5R
Hercules Prohpet 9800PRO
Zalman 7000A-AlCu
4 Coolermate ALU led fans (2 intakes front, 2 outtakes rear)
1 x 90mm fan (intake side)
1 x 80mm fan (intake side)

enroscado · 12-03-2003, 08:02 AM

Try this:
Idle time: Infinite
Refresh: 15,6 uSec
VDimm: 2.75/2.85
Vagp: 1.6
MAYBE you'll have to up your vcore, hopefully not.

Turbo mode only works at 200FSB, and it changes timings to 2-2-2-5, so maybe thats why you pc doesn't boot.

OC-Otto · 12-03-2003, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by enroscado
Try this:
Idle time: Infinite
Refresh: 15,6 uSec
VDimm: 2.75/2.85
Vagp: 1.6
MAYBE you'll have to up your vcore, hopefully not.

Turbo mode only works at 200FSB, and it changes timings to 2-2-2-5, so maybe thats why you pc doesn't boot.

enroscado, thanks for your reply.

I'm still wondering why there's people out there stating that they've enabled TURBO mode with FSB > 250 and noticed a difference in sandra?? Also, who sells 2-2-2-5 mem? If i up the vdimm, will my mem suddenly be able to take CAS 2 instead of 2.5??? I wouldn't think so, but then again; how are so many people able to turn on TURBO mode?? I'm confused...

I'm at work right now, but i'm gonna try upping the vdimm (and vagp) as soon as i get home. Is it best to put Idle time and Refresh on auto first and then start testing with lower values each run, or is Idle time Infinite and Refresh 15,6 uSec a more relaxed timing to start testing from??
(Sofar, 0T and 64uSec gave me the best results in sandra)

enroscado · 12-03-2003, 08:52 AM

Actually, i should of made it clear, that worked the best for ME.
You can always check DanX's tips, i found them quite precise.

In my case, if i enable TURBO at 201+, i see NOTHING different, but when at 200, timings change to 2-2-2-5 automatically, regardless of what i put.

My memory is rated 2-2-2-6, so that's whay i can boot easily 2-2-2-5, plus i made a vdimm mod, and it handles 2-2-2-5 at FSB240.

If your memory is CAS2.5, probably won't be able to run CAS2 even if you up the vdimm, but since you want to use a FSB of 250, you may leave turbo enabled and it should be fine.

You say you are confused about TURBO? You are not alone, almost everybody is.

About Idle time and Refresh Rate, again, that worked best for me, but you should test in your PC, making ONE CHANGE AT A TIME, so you can clearly tell what was, and write your results down.

Cheers!

Sierra_abx · 12-03-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by OC-Otto
I'm still wondering why there's people out there stating that they've enabled TURBO mode with FSB > 250 and noticed a difference in sandra??

I can only tell you what my system does. I run at 256 FSB and when Turbo is enabled, my Sandra score increases. I can only speak for myself. I will run some more tests when I have time later and try to get to you. I think there are a lot of myths out there about what Turbo does and doesn't do.

BBThumper · 12-03-2003, 11:03 AM

......how about this one, I have found more than a few people who, like myself, can only run turbo. If I put it in standard or auto I cannot boot..............

st0nedpenguin_abx · 12-03-2003, 11:56 AM

Is it the option in the chipset setup page you are talking about?

If so, I can set mine at any setting, it doesn't cause any crashes, and makes no change to performance whatsoever.

I was thinking maybe ASUS decided to put it there to increase the apparent "tweakability" of the board.

OC-Otto · 12-03-2003, 12:06 PM

I've started testing just now.

Haven't changed the voltages yet...

These are my results sofar (running 3DMark03):
Idle timer @ 0T
Refresh Rate @ 64uSec
Causes BSOD during "CPU Test 1" (no white letters this time????)

Idle timer @ Auto
Refresh Rate @ Auto
Causes BSOD with BAD_POOL_CALLER error during "CPU Test 2"

Idle timer @ Infinite
Refresh Rate @ 7.8uSec
Causes BSOD during "CPU Test 1" (no white letters this time????)

Idle timer @ 64T
Refresh Rate @ 7.8uSec !update! or 15.6uSec
Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", but no BSOD!!!

Idle timer @ 64T
Refresh Rate @ 64uSec
Causes 3DMark03 to freeze during "Game Test 2", but no BSOD!!!

Idle timer @ 64T
Refresh Rate @ 64T
Causes reboot during "Game Test 2"

Changed vdimm to 2.65:
Idle timer @ 0T
Refresh Rate @ 64uSec
Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 1", no BSOD

Idle timer @ Infinite
Refresh Rate @ 64uSec or 15.6uSec
Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", no BSOD

I guess no BSOD's anymore running on 2.65v, but I doubt it will be stable at this voltage.

Changed vdimm to 2.75:
Idle timer @ 0T
Refresh Rate @ 64uSec
Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", no BSOD

Idle timer @ Infinite
Refresh Rate @ 15.6uSec
Causes BSOD without the info again....

Starting to **** me off. I think I'm gonna get me a pair of Corsair's TWINX!!

Now I'm getting lower mem bandwidth in sandra, but as soon as it's stable I'm gonna try and tweak mem settings from there to try and increase the bandwidth again (had it up to 5700MB/s when running @3.26 and mem @466). The main goal is still to increase framerate and getting a higher 3DMark03 score with my 9800 Pro slightly overclocked to 498/344.

I'll keep posting my results!!

OC-Otto · 12-03-2003, 12:19 PM

Should I disable "spread spectrum" and "ich delayed transcation" and if yes; for what reason??

JoeBar · 12-03-2003, 12:24 PM

I have ich delayed transaction enabled.
Spread spectrum set to disabled.

Sierra_abx · 12-03-2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OC-Otto
Should I disable "spread spectrum" and "ich delayed transcation" and if yes; for what reason??

Spread spectrum allows you to reduce electro-magnetic interference (EMI) on your motherboard. But it can cause your system to become unstable if you're overclocking. Therefore it should be turned off. Regarding ICH delayed transaction, I've never heard a really good explanation. But my system works better when it's enabled.

enroscado · 12-03-2003, 01:35 PM

OC-Otto, since you're testing your system mainly, and not your video card, you should consider benching with 3DMark2001 SE, since it is much more system deppendant when compared to 2k3.

Of course, you can still use 2k3's CPU tests to test stability.

But, after that, you should consider some hours of memtest and/or prime95 to make sure it is relly stable.

OC-Otto · 12-03-2003, 01:39 PM

That's was actually the plan. But I figured it should be able to run all of these programs without a hickup anyway.....

As soon as I'm able to run 3DMark03 flawless (looks like I'm getting there), I'll start benching using prime95 and 2001SE.

12-02-2003, 11:23 PM	#62
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12-03-2003, 07:30 AM	#63
OC-Otto Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 37	Hiya, I'm new to this thread, so correct me if I've missed something. Here's the thing: I OC'd my machine to a FSB of 233 (OEM DDR400 running 1:1@466, i know, **??) It's running stable at this speed on all default voltages and PAT enabled. 3DMark03 = 6k+ The thing is that my goal is to get a higher framerate for better gaming-performance, but 233FSB doesn't really make a big difference with running 200FSB (only 200 points in 3DMark03), so I thought it would be cool to OC to 3,5Ghz (FSB250) with mem running at stock speed (400DDR). With default voltages and PAT enabled, it crashes during 3DMark03 (blue screen) and restarts. The framerates sofar though, are pretty F$#%^%$ high!!!! So, mem is dual channel @ 2.5-3-3-8-8, timing @ 0T, refresh @ 64uSec, PAT enabled, vcore @ 1.525, vdimm @ 2.55, vagp @ 1.5..... How do I get it stable @ 3.5Ghz? Do I need to up the vdimm, or the vcore, and to what values???? One more question. Whenever i turn on the TURBO mode, my computer won't boot even when all default values are set??? Is this the memory??? Update: P4C800-E Deluxe 2.8C 2 x OEM DDR400 512MB in Dual Channel 2 x Maxtor 120GB SATA 8M on ICH5R Hercules Prohpet 9800PRO Zalman 7000A-AlCu 4 Coolermate ALU led fans (2 intakes front, 2 outtakes rear) 1 x 90mm fan (intake side) 1 x 80mm fan (intake side) Last edited by OC-Otto : 12-03-2003 at 07:36 AM.*
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12-03-2003, 08:02 AM	#64
enroscado -_- Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Argentina Posts: 390	Try this: Idle time: Infinite Refresh: 15,6 uSec VDimm: 2.75/2.85 Vagp: 1.6 MAYBE you'll have to up your vcore, hopefully not. Turbo mode only works at 200FSB, and it changes timings to 2-2-2-5, so maybe thats why you pc doesn't boot. __________________ www.losvagos.net
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12-03-2003, 08:52 AM	#66
enroscado -_- Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Argentina Posts: 390	Actually, i should of made it clear, that worked the best for ME. You can always check DanX's tips, i found them quite precise. In my case, if i enable TURBO at 201+, i see NOTHING different, but when at 200, timings change to 2-2-2-5 automatically, regardless of what i put. My memory is rated 2-2-2-6, so that's whay i can boot easily 2-2-2-5, plus i made a vdimm mod, and it handles 2-2-2-5 at FSB240. If your memory is CAS2.5, probably won't be able to run CAS2 even if you up the vdimm, but since you want to use a FSB of 250, you may leave turbo enabled and it should be fine. You say you are confused about TURBO? You are not alone, almost everybody is. About Idle time and Refresh Rate, again, that worked best for me, but you should test in your PC, making ONE CHANGE AT A TIME, so you can clearly tell what was, and write your results down. Cheers! __________________ www.losvagos.net
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12-03-2003, 11:03 AM	#68
BBThumper Happy, Joyous and Free Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 2,024	......how about this one, I have found more than a few people who, like myself, can only run turbo. If I put it in standard or auto I cannot boot.............. __________________ ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe AMD Phenom 9600 XP-90c w/ a T.T. 92mm fan 2 x 2gig pc26400 Nvidia 8400 2 x Raptors in Raid 0 ......My City's moto: Welcome to Philly, now get the heck out!!!!!!!
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12-03-2003, 11:56 AM	#69
st0nedpenguin_abx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Britland Posts: 108	Is it the option in the chipset setup page you are talking about? If so, I can set mine at any setting, it doesn't cause any crashes, and makes no change to performance whatsoever. I was thinking maybe ASUS decided to put it there to increase the apparent "tweakability" of the board. __________________ ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe \|\| 2.4C @ ? \|\| 1Gb OCZ EL DDR PC-3500 Dual Channel Platinum Limited Edition \|\| Radeon 9800 Pro \|\| Audigy 2 \|\| Inspire 6700 \|\| 60Gb IBM \|\| 20Gb Maxtor \|\| Chieftec Blue Dragon \|\| Enermax EG651P-VE FMA 550w \|\| Vantec Nexus \|\| Thermalright SP-94 \|\| Vantec Tornado \|\| 4 x Panaflo 80mm
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12-03-2003, 12:06 PM	#70
OC-Otto Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 37	I've started testing just now. Haven't changed the voltages yet... These are my results sofar (running 3DMark03): Idle timer @ 0T Refresh Rate @ 64uSec Causes BSOD during "CPU Test 1" (no white letters this time????) Idle timer @ Auto Refresh Rate @ Auto Causes BSOD with BAD_POOL_CALLER error during "CPU Test 2" Idle timer @ Infinite Refresh Rate @ 7.8uSec Causes BSOD during "CPU Test 1" (no white letters this time????) Idle timer @ 64T Refresh Rate @ 7.8uSec !update! or 15.6uSec Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", but no BSOD!!! Idle timer @ 64T Refresh Rate @ 64uSec Causes 3DMark03 to freeze during "Game Test 2", but no BSOD!!! Idle timer @ 64T Refresh Rate @ 64T Causes reboot during "Game Test 2" Changed vdimm to 2.65: Idle timer @ 0T Refresh Rate @ 64uSec Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 1", no BSOD Idle timer @ Infinite Refresh Rate @ 64uSec or 15.6uSec Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", no BSOD I guess no BSOD's anymore running on 2.65v, but I doubt it will be stable at this voltage. Changed vdimm to 2.75: Idle timer @ 0T Refresh Rate @ 64uSec Causes 3DMark03 to exit to windows during "CPU Test 2", no BSOD Idle timer @ Infinite Refresh Rate @ 15.6uSec Causes BSOD without the info again.... Starting to **** me off. I think I'm gonna get me a pair of Corsair's TWINX!! Now I'm getting lower mem bandwidth in sandra, but as soon as it's stable I'm gonna try and tweak mem settings from there to try and increase the bandwidth again (had it up to 5700MB/s when running @3.26 and mem @466). The main goal is still to increase framerate and getting a higher 3DMark03 score with my 9800 Pro slightly overclocked to 498/344. I'll keep posting my results!! __________________ Intel Pentium 4C 2.8Ghz@3150Mhz P4C800-E Deluxe 2 x OEM DDR400 512MB in Dual Channel 2 x Maxtor 120GB SATA 8M on ICH5R RAID0 Hercules 3D Prohpet 9800 PRO Zalman 7000A-AlCu 4 Coolermate ALU led fans (2 intakes front, 2 outtakes rear) 1 x 90mm fan (intake side) 1 x 80mm fan (intake side) Last edited by OC-Otto : 12-03-2003 at 04:07 PM.
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12-03-2003, 12:19 PM	#71
OC-Otto Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 37	Should I disable "spread spectrum" and "ich delayed transcation" and if yes; for what reason?? __________________ Intel Pentium 4C 2.8Ghz@3150Mhz P4C800-E Deluxe 2 x OEM DDR400 512MB in Dual Channel 2 x Maxtor 120GB SATA 8M on ICH5R RAID0 Hercules 3D Prohpet 9800 PRO Zalman 7000A-AlCu 4 Coolermate ALU led fans (2 intakes front, 2 outtakes rear) 1 x 90mm fan (intake side) 1 x 80mm fan (intake side)
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12-03-2003, 12:24 PM	#72
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12-03-2003, 01:35 PM	#74
enroscado -_- Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Argentina Posts: 390	OC-Otto, since you're testing your system mainly, and not your video card, you should consider benching with 3DMark2001 SE, since it is much more system deppendant when compared to 2k3. Of course, you can still use 2k3's CPU tests to test stability. But, after that, you should consider some hours of memtest and/or prime95 to make sure it is relly stable. __________________ www.losvagos.net
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12-03-2003, 01:39 PM	#75
OC-Otto Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 37	That's was actually the plan. But I figured it should be able to run all of these programs without a hickup anyway..... As soon as I'm able to run 3DMark03 flawless (looks like I'm getting there), I'll start benching using prime95 and 2001SE. __________________ Intel Pentium 4C 2.8Ghz@3150Mhz P4C800-E Deluxe 2 x OEM DDR400 512MB in Dual Channel 2 x Maxtor 120GB SATA 8M on ICH5R RAID0 Hercules 3D Prohpet 9800 PRO Zalman 7000A-AlCu 4 Coolermate ALU led fans (2 intakes front, 2 outtakes rear) 1 x 90mm fan (intake side) 1 x 80mm fan (intake side)
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