Troubles with my P4C800 deluxe - Page 3

opaper · 11-28-2004, 01:23 AM

Well-I don't know what kind of ram you have. The timing are what you need to pay attention to. First go to the chiset and set it up for manual control. You will then see where the BIOS is setting from the SPD sensor on the RAM. Compare that to the specs that you know or bought the product by. Adjust that as needed to the RAM's purchased Specs.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 01:28 AM

Ok I have 1gig(2x512MB)of Crucial 184 Pin DDR PC-3200 8T. I don't ever remember seeing what the timing on it was.

Heres a link of it. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-532&depa=0

opaper · 11-28-2004, 01:34 AM

Cas 3--man you need an award for just getting that to boot @ turbo. If you can, fill out your system profile as much as you can ( in your profile). Take your time and run the board at normal for a little while. You need to make sure it's ready. There is a lot of information in the forms here about overclocking. It really does take time to find your board's sweet spot.

opaper · 11-28-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Right Click

Ok I have 1gig(2x512MB)of Crucial 184 Pin DDR PC-3200 8T. I don't ever remember seeing what the timing on it was.

Heres a link of it. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-532&depa=0

Are those the actual ram that you bought--they aren't dual channel which is not always a problem but it may be.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 01:38 AM

Oh I just noticed that thats not exactly my ram.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-541&depa=0
thats my exact ram.

ADD: How did you see it wasn't dual channel?

opaper · 11-28-2004, 01:51 AM

Dual channel is sold with two matched modules in the package.

Edit>ram itself is not dual channel, it is the MB that runs each Module independently through the memory controller chip. In that way, it doubles (for two sticks) the band with.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 02:08 AM

Ok well I updated my profile with all my comp stuff. Is there a way to find out what the stock timings on my ram are supposed to be?

opaper · 11-28-2004, 02:25 AM

I looked on the crucial site and they only said cas 3. You could go to the chipset setting in the bios and switch to manual from auto and see where it is setting the spd of the ram. That is hardly that accurate though. With a cas setting of 3 I would say it is 3-3-3-6 to 8. It sounds like you want to try overclocking? I would get some dual channel with the lowest latency you can afford. But you won't know if the ram you have is hurting you if you aren't sure if it's matched well. Are you considering overclocking your PC?

Edit > the 8T is probably TRas 8 so it's probably 3-3-3-8 and that's for one stick. Two sticks "MAY" run slower together because they are not matched.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 02:31 AM

Yes thats why I'm trying to get this whole mobo deal fixed. I'm getting a new HS and HSF for my cpu and so once I get this whole problem settled I was planning on overclocking. If I need to get new ram to do so then I guess thats what I'll do.

If I do get new ram I think I'm gonna go with that some of that OCZ ram. I've heard its an overclockers dream ram. I have a couple buddies who have it and its pretty blazing fast.

opaper · 11-28-2004, 02:36 AM

Yes sell yours on ebay one at a time, just set a reserve--you'll do ok that's excellent ram. You could sell them here to--it's free! OCZ is excellent RAM. I have something you might like here. You're doing great!

http://www.corsairmicro.com/memory_b...707/index.html

opaper · 11-28-2004, 02:38 AM

Get an idea of what you want and the money you can spend and check in so myself and others here can help you pick some good stuff.

Add> Hint, decide if you want to run 1:1 or 4:5. That is, (we are talking about RAM here) for PC3200 1:1 is 400MHz and 4:5 is 320 Mhz. Advantage being headroom for overclocking your CPU FSB.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 03:24 AM

That thing gave me a better understanding of whats actually going on with the ram...thanks.

I'm willing to put up about 600-800 bucks on comp upgrades so I don't think price will be to big an issue.

Other than ram does the rest of my system look compatible and capable enough to get a good overclock?

I'll start looking into some new ram and get an idea of what I want.

Right Click · 11-28-2004, 03:36 AM

Well I just went into my bios settings and disabled the configure DRAM timing by SPD and heres what I found my timings to be set at.
Cas# latency 2.5
Ras# precharge 4
Ras# to Cas# delay 4
Precharge delay 8
Burst length 8

Now is it just me or do those look like some slow timings?

opaper · 11-28-2004, 04:05 AM

Yes you need some diffrent RAM and Yes you have a good system. When your system is up and stable, go to your memory frequency setting and set it at 320 instead of 400. Then start bring up your CPU FSB from 200 to ? What's the average for the 2.8C? Around 225-240. Start at 215 and go up 5-7MHz at a time. I keep my CPU voltage at 1.536 and it goes up to 1.6v on its own. Run SiSofware Sandra HD arithmetic test or Prime95. You are seeing where your CPU will go, then you will try to get RAM that will follow. I don't foresee you buying anything higher than PC3700 for 1:1 and maybe, for lower latencies, PC3200 for a 4:5 divider. There is a whole school of thought about this and a lot of information on this form. If money is not a problem, why not by a High MHz CPU and a Gig of PC 3200 2-2-2-5 RAM and to heck with overclocking? Just a thought.

. Take your time overclocking is just a flash in the pan compared to how a computer works normally.

Edit:Once you see where your CPU can go, you can start testing the RAM that you have now if you want. You’re getting CAS 2.5 now and that’s good. Try memtest with Memory set at 2.5-3-3-8 @ 400MHz and 2.75v. If that fails, change the RAS to CAS to 4. Run memtest for 50 passes. Here’s the main page.

http://www.memtest86.com/

Use the link>Download - Pre-Compiled Memtest86 v3.2 installable from Windows and DOS< save to desktop/extract to a new folder/put a floppy in the drive/in new folder click on install/enter floppy drive letter/boot with floppy in drive.

Do this for now with a default CPU FSB of 200MHz.

Right Click · 11-29-2004, 08:52 PM

What do ya think about this ram? http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...P=OTC-d3alt1me

ADD: Heres some more ram I found. Which one looks better? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...146-890&depa=0

11-28-2004, 01:23 AM	#31
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Well-I don't know what kind of ram you have. The timing are what you need to pay attention to. First go to the chiset and set it up for manual control. You will then see where the BIOS is setting from the SPD sensor on the RAM. Compare that to the specs that you know or bought the product by. Adjust that as needed to the RAM's purchased Specs.
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11-28-2004, 01:28 AM	#32
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	Ok I have 1gig(2x512MB)of Crucial 184 Pin DDR PC-3200 8T. I don't ever remember seeing what the timing on it was. Heres a link of it. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-532&depa=0
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11-28-2004, 01:34 AM	#33
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Cas 3--man you need an award for just getting that to boot @ turbo. If you can, fill out your system profile as much as you can ( in your profile). Take your time and run the board at normal for a little while. You need to make sure it's ready. There is a lot of information in the forms here about overclocking. It really does take time to find your board's sweet spot.
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11-28-2004, 01:38 AM	#35
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	Oh I just noticed that thats not exactly my ram. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-541&depa=0 thats my exact ram. ADD: How did you see it wasn't dual channel? Last edited by Right Click : 11-28-2004 at 01:48 AM.
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11-28-2004, 01:51 AM	#36
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Dual channel is sold with two matched modules in the package. Edit>ram itself is not dual channel, it is the MB that runs each Module independently through the memory controller chip. In that way, it doubles (for two sticks) the band with. Last edited by opaper : 11-28-2004 at 02:48 AM.
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11-28-2004, 02:08 AM	#37
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	Ok well I updated my profile with all my comp stuff. Is there a way to find out what the stock timings on my ram are supposed to be?
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11-28-2004, 02:25 AM	#38
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	I looked on the crucial site and they only said cas 3. You could go to the chipset setting in the bios and switch to manual from auto and see where it is setting the spd of the ram. That is hardly that accurate though. With a cas setting of 3 I would say it is 3-3-3-6 to 8. It sounds like you want to try overclocking? I would get some dual channel with the lowest latency you can afford. But you won't know if the ram you have is hurting you if you aren't sure if it's matched well. Are you considering overclocking your PC? Edit > the 8T is probably TRas 8 so it's probably 3-3-3-8 and that's for one stick. Two sticks "MAY" run slower together because they are not matched. Last edited by opaper : 11-28-2004 at 02:32 AM.
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11-28-2004, 02:31 AM	#39
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	Yes thats why I'm trying to get this whole mobo deal fixed. I'm getting a new HS and HSF for my cpu and so once I get this whole problem settled I was planning on overclocking. If I need to get new ram to do so then I guess thats what I'll do. If I do get new ram I think I'm gonna go with that some of that OCZ ram. I've heard its an overclockers dream ram. I have a couple buddies who have it and its pretty blazing fast. __________________ Right click oWnz j00
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11-28-2004, 02:36 AM	#40
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Yes sell yours on ebay one at a time, just set a reserve--you'll do ok that's excellent ram. You could sell them here to--it's free! OCZ is excellent RAM. I have something you might like here. You're doing great! http://www.corsairmicro.com/memory_b...707/index.html
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11-28-2004, 02:38 AM	#41
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Get an idea of what you want and the money you can spend and check in so myself and others here can help you pick some good stuff. Add> Hint, decide if you want to run 1:1 or 4:5. That is, (we are talking about RAM here) for PC3200 1:1 is 400MHz and 4:5 is 320 Mhz. Advantage being headroom for overclocking your CPU FSB. Last edited by opaper : 11-28-2004 at 03:19 AM.
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11-28-2004, 03:24 AM	#42
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	That thing gave me a better understanding of whats actually going on with the ram...thanks. I'm willing to put up about 600-800 bucks on comp upgrades so I don't think price will be to big an issue. Other than ram does the rest of my system look compatible and capable enough to get a good overclock? I'll start looking into some new ram and get an idea of what I want. __________________ Right click oWnz j00
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11-28-2004, 03:36 AM	#43
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	Well I just went into my bios settings and disabled the configure DRAM timing by SPD and heres what I found my timings to be set at. Cas# latency 2.5 Ras# precharge 4 Ras# to Cas# delay 4 Precharge delay 8 Burst length 8 Now is it just me or do those look like some slow timings? __________________ Right click oWnz j00
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11-28-2004, 04:05 AM	#44
opaper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S.E FLorida Posts: 1,047	Yes you need some diffrent RAM and Yes you have a good system. When your system is up and stable, go to your memory frequency setting and set it at 320 instead of 400. Then start bring up your CPU FSB from 200 to ? What's the average for the 2.8C? Around 225-240. Start at 215 and go up 5-7MHz at a time. I keep my CPU voltage at 1.536 and it goes up to 1.6v on its own. Run SiSofware Sandra HD arithmetic test or Prime95. You are seeing where your CPU will go, then you will try to get RAM that will follow. I don't foresee you buying anything higher than PC3700 for 1:1 and maybe, for lower latencies, PC3200 for a 4:5 divider. There is a whole school of thought about this and a lot of information on this form. If money is not a problem, why not by a High MHz CPU and a Gig of PC 3200 2-2-2-5 RAM and to heck with overclocking? Just a thought. . Take your time overclocking is just a flash in the pan compared to how a computer works normally. Edit:Once you see where your CPU can go, you can start testing the RAM that you have now if you want. You’re getting CAS 2.5 now and that’s good. Try memtest with Memory set at 2.5-3-3-8 @ 400MHz and 2.75v. If that fails, change the RAS to CAS to 4. Run memtest for 50 passes. Here’s the main page. http://www.memtest86.com/ Use the link>Download - Pre-Compiled Memtest86 v3.2 installable from Windows and DOS< save to desktop/extract to a new folder/put a floppy in the drive/in new folder click on install/enter floppy drive letter/boot with floppy in drive. Do this for now with a default CPU FSB of 200MHz. Last edited by opaper : 11-28-2004 at 09:26 AM.
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11-29-2004, 08:52 PM	#45
Right Click Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 26	What do ya think about this ram? http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...P=OTC-d3alt1me ADD: Heres some more ram I found. Which one looks better? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...146-890&depa=0 __________________ Right click oWnz j00 Last edited by Right Click : 11-30-2004 at 03:13 AM.
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