HARDOCP tries to defend DDR ram over RDRAM for review - Page 2

JoeFrat · 08-26-2002, 08:49 PM

i prefer to ignore most of these sites. I suppose it's pretty hard to remain objective when you need advertising money to pay the bills, and writing a bad review about a sponsors product is a big

, what do you guys expect? Forums like this are the only place to get the real answers IMO.

Beefy_abx · 08-26-2002, 08:58 PM

As far as I can tell, the DDR rig still whooped AMD's latest offering. If they had deliberately used DDR (or used slower DDR on the Intel rig) to show that AMD was superior, then it would have been worth complaining about.

As it stands, it is nothing more than a not-quite-thorough-enough-for-you review. I see them every day, but never get offended by it! There is nothing technically incorrect about it - just take from it what they do show (Intel > AMD at this precise moment, even with "only" DDR), then go to another review or two site to fill in the gaps

XJ. · 08-26-2002, 09:01 PM

If you want solid reviews, look to Aceshardware or Lost Circuits. As far as Hardocp goes, Kyle will be Kyle and that's that. I give the guy credit though - his site is still going strong.

StarTraveller · 08-27-2002, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xjay
I give the guy credit though - his site is still going strong.

Hehe, amazing isn't it?

Last time I heard about it he was banning people left and right while not allowing for new members to join

...

RacerX · 09-07-2002, 10:08 AM

HardOCP did a great job with that writeup. Do you realize that most AMDZealots have DDR?, and those that are on the fence AMD/Intel will very much like this writeup. Its shows very clearly that the BEST AMD has will not beat the most popular Intel setup!!!

RamBus is out. If Intel has went DDR earlier, this AMD Zealot conversation would be moot. I am hard core AMD. But ya know what, I am selling every AMD part I have, I will be buying that "cripple the **** out of the P4 setups" and getting Intel/DDR setup. I WILL NOT ever get Rambus. Thanks for support of my choice.

I could translate this into "anyone that uses DDR for intel is a lamer". But you would want me to do that would ya.

Best thing to do in this case if you dont like the reviews being presented, write your own objective review. Take is cheap, show me some numbers.

I'm new here and have always been know to be controvertial.

S.SubZero · 09-07-2002, 10:27 AM

See me on the other hand, I like RDRAM. I'm sitting here at an RDRAM-equipped machine, and it works really well. When I build my next machine, it will probably be RDRAM as well.

DDR had considerably more hype than RDRAM, alot of it was strictly anti-RAMBUS propoganda. DDR was supposed to make PC's "twice as fast!" which somehow got whittled down to "5-10% faster" and it was supposed to be so much faster than RDRAM which turned into "somewhat better in some benchmarks."

If you get DDR for a P4, you get memory that is not the fastest you could get. Ever. That's the way it is.

tamarelle · 09-07-2002, 10:28 AM

Hi RacerX

May I ask in turn that you defend your proposition that RDRAM is dead?

First offer an argument then argue.

Tam

tamarelle · 09-07-2002, 10:32 AM

Oh and welcome aboard!!!

I doubt you are half as mean as you think you are

Tam

RacerX · 09-07-2002, 11:03 AM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5252

Not like its going to happen tomorrow or anything. RamBus was forced on the industry, if Intel had gone DDR, this would be a whole new ball game. With Intel having R&D for DDR, Dual Channel DDR and DDRII things are looking good for DDR.

With only Sis making a RamBus chipset things dont look good in 2003. This is Q402 so thats not far off. I am not impressed with the 648, still early though.

I have been on the AMD side for 6 years now. My first system was a Intel 486dx266. In Feb 95, I've been all AMD since. Come Monday morning have a P4 setup on order. RamBus is not an option due to price and I have ALOT of DDR that will just go to waste if I go RamBus.

RamBus numbers are impressive, but I can touch them with DDR.

DDR is to RamBus, as AMD is to Intel. You can do a lot with a little bit of moneys.

If Intel has no replacement for the 850 then that means RamBus has 4-6mo left in the lime light. IMHO. Not worth the long term investment for me. Who am I kidding, long term investment, I change motherboards every 45-60days now. Memory every 90 days. I think I get 8mo out of my video cards. LOL.

With the i845E on the scene and $250 2.53G 533fsb parts, AMD has some real competetion from Intel for the first time in 2 years.

The top 50% in Intel sales is a gimme for Intel based on name recognition. The bottom 50% is were the fight is, it was about even 25%/25% but AMD is slipping fast, very fast. Last year you NEVER heard any AMD guys even think about getting a P4. Now with DDR, its turning some heads.

There are 3 of us hardcore AMD users in this forum that I know personally that are ditching there AMD rigs for a P4 system.

RacerX · 09-07-2002, 11:04 AM

http://www.asusboards.com/forums/sho...threadid=23453

Former AMD Zealots are located here....

Thanks for the warm welcome!!

RacerX · 09-07-2002, 10:00 PM

Its so quiet in this thread, was it something I said??

lol

tamarelle · 09-08-2002, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RacerX
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5252

There are 3 of us hardcore AMD users in this forum that I know personally that are ditching there AMD rigs for a P4 system.

Well at least you have ONE redeeming quality

Nobody is avoiding you, you haven't done anything bad enough to make anyone mad yet

Thanks for your input and I wish I had the kind of money you have

I am still stuck with a cusl2. School is expensive.

Tam

SupDawg · 09-14-2002, 12:55 AM

I just wished that they would have included RDRAM on that set up.

I am not mad, Haters will hate

Evryone knows here that it takes a super tweaked out DDR ram to equal the performance of stock 1066 ram.

And still while the "theoretical" bandwidth could be acheived about the same on some tests, just the pure architecture of RDram will have a better performance on some games/ apps.

CPU Slayer · 09-29-2002, 03:21 AM

AMD = Whinny, crying, sniveling, and brain dead people who can not accept the facts nor give fair reviews just to make them selves\hardware look better. WOW, Now im sounding like one of them!!

Rickwell · 09-29-2002, 09:51 AM

Click on the link to see his Memory Test
http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=...8xNV9sLmpwZw==
Then look at attachment to see my RDRam

08-26-2002, 08:49 PM	#16
JoeFrat Registered Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,849	i prefer to ignore most of these sites. I suppose it's pretty hard to remain objective when you need advertising money to pay the bills, and writing a bad review about a sponsors product is a big , what do you guys expect? Forums like this are the only place to get the real answers IMO.
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08-26-2002, 08:58 PM	#17
Beefy_abx Mad Physiologist! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 1,512	As far as I can tell, the DDR rig still whooped AMD's latest offering. If they had deliberately used DDR (or used slower DDR on the Intel rig) to show that AMD was superior, then it would have been worth complaining about. As it stands, it is nothing more than a not-quite-thorough-enough-for-you review. I see them every day, but never get offended by it! There is nothing technically incorrect about it - just take from it what they do show (Intel > AMD at this precise moment, even with "only" DDR), then go to another review or two site to fill in the gaps
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08-26-2002, 09:01 PM	#18
XJ. ... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NH, USA Posts: 6,061	If you want solid reviews, look to Aceshardware or Lost Circuits. As far as Hardocp goes, Kyle will be Kyle and that's that. I give the guy credit though - his site is still going strong.
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09-07-2002, 10:08 AM	#20
RacerX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middle Tn Posts: 60	HardOCP did a great job with that writeup. Do you realize that most AMDZealots have DDR?, and those that are on the fence AMD/Intel will very much like this writeup. Its shows very clearly that the BEST AMD has will not beat the most popular Intel setup!!! RamBus is out. If Intel has went DDR earlier, this AMD Zealot conversation would be moot. I am hard core AMD. But ya know what, I am selling every AMD part I have, I will be buying that "cripple the **** out of the P4 setups" and getting Intel/DDR setup. I WILL NOT ever get Rambus. Thanks for support of my choice. I could translate this into "anyone that uses DDR for intel is a lamer". But you would want me to do that would ya. Best thing to do in this case if you dont like the reviews being presented, write your own objective review. Take is cheap, show me some numbers. I'm new here and have always been know to be controvertial.
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09-07-2002, 10:27 AM	#21
S.SubZero Vista x64 User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: California Posts: 1,265	See me on the other hand, I like RDRAM. I'm sitting here at an RDRAM-equipped machine, and it works really well. When I build my next machine, it will probably be RDRAM as well. DDR had considerably more hype than RDRAM, alot of it was strictly anti-RAMBUS propoganda. DDR was supposed to make PC's "twice as fast!" which somehow got whittled down to "5-10% faster" and it was supposed to be so much faster than RDRAM which turned into "somewhat better in some benchmarks." If you get DDR for a P4, you get memory that is not the fastest you could get. Ever. That's the way it is. __________________ -SSZ
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09-07-2002, 10:28 AM	#22
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09-07-2002, 10:32 AM	#23
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09-07-2002, 11:03 AM	#24
RacerX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middle Tn Posts: 60	http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5252 Not like its going to happen tomorrow or anything. RamBus was forced on the industry, if Intel had gone DDR, this would be a whole new ball game. With Intel having R&D for DDR, Dual Channel DDR and DDRII things are looking good for DDR. With only Sis making a RamBus chipset things dont look good in 2003. This is Q402 so thats not far off. I am not impressed with the 648, still early though. I have been on the AMD side for 6 years now. My first system was a Intel 486dx266. In Feb 95, I've been all AMD since. Come Monday morning have a P4 setup on order. RamBus is not an option due to price and I have ALOT of DDR that will just go to waste if I go RamBus. RamBus numbers are impressive, but I can touch them with DDR. DDR is to RamBus, as AMD is to Intel. You can do a lot with a little bit of moneys. If Intel has no replacement for the 850 then that means RamBus has 4-6mo left in the lime light. IMHO. Not worth the long term investment for me. Who am I kidding, long term investment, I change motherboards every 45-60days now. Memory every 90 days. I think I get 8mo out of my video cards. LOL. With the i845E on the scene and $250 2.53G 533fsb parts, AMD has some real competetion from Intel for the first time in 2 years. The top 50% in Intel sales is a gimme for Intel based on name recognition. The bottom 50% is were the fight is, it was about even 25%/25% but AMD is slipping fast, very fast. Last year you NEVER heard any AMD guys even think about getting a P4. Now with DDR, its turning some heads. There are 3 of us hardcore AMD users in this forum that I know personally that are ditching there AMD rigs for a P4 system.
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09-07-2002, 11:04 AM	#25
RacerX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middle Tn Posts: 60	http://www.asusboards.com/forums/sho...threadid=23453 Former AMD Zealots are located here.... Thanks for the warm welcome!!
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09-07-2002, 10:00 PM	#26
RacerX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middle Tn Posts: 60	Its so quiet in this thread, was it something I said?? lol
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09-14-2002, 12:55 AM	#28
SupDawg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,078	I just wished that they would have included RDRAM on that set up. I am not mad, Haters will hate Evryone knows here that it takes a super tweaked out DDR ram to equal the performance of stock 1066 ram. And still while the "theoretical" bandwidth could be acheived about the same on some tests, just the pure architecture of RDram will have a better performance on some games/ apps. __________________ The views expressed in this electronic dialogue are mine alone. "All physics are belong to me. " Kongo
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09-29-2002, 03:21 AM	#29
CPU Slayer Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 298	AMD = Whinny, crying, sniveling, and brain dead people who can not accept the facts nor give fair reviews just to make them selves\hardware look better. WOW, Now im sounding like one of them!!
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