Another witness to VIA woes

[patentman]

Originally posted by simbatran
VIA currently has a 55% of market for home PC core chipset, I doubt anyone can achieve that with a problem-proned product.

VIA who?
As for the market,in my country VIA mobos costs under the half of i815E`s mobos.People who don`t and don`t want to know about hardware,simple buy the cheapest product.Computer stores are glad to have in their hands cheapy components as 1st they sell more PCs and 2nd you`ll definetely upgrade as VIA mobos perform way lower than Intel`s,not to mention crashes,incombatibilities,"weird things".
Their support?No support,just they want to solve their bugs,but never can`t.I`ve seen many Apollo Pro133A mobos and all of them are a mess.4in1 driver is something like a pain in the ***.Bios fixes makes a diff but still no go for success.
If you want a good component you start first from the design and charachteristics of hardware,then you make software to take full advantage of them.VIA does the opposite,makes a junky chipset and then tries to solve by software.
I supported VIA once but got very tricked.I`ve sweared not to buy again.But I like VIA to be in the game as price war cuts the prices and better products are available for us Intel users
Finally I got stable(even highly overclocked) and combatibility from CUSL2 and WinME.

PS.somewhere I saw a "fix" for 686B but it makes it run overheated.Next time please give a heatsink with that "fix"...lol
Intel holds patents for many designs and specifications on x86 cpu and chipsets that even hasn`t released,so what`s left?

[cryogen_abx]

good read tom..
i finally can post an answer, last itme i read it, my reply wouldnt post as the server went down
i had a via board b4 my cusl2 and left it behind for pretty much all the reasons outlined in the article..never too stable, and performance was questionable, i know they have improved, nad will continue to improve, and i do want a AMD syste,m, so i will get a VIA board, i just hope that by the time i do, they have straightened out a bitmore
cryogen

[wz1]

Good luck! I need to point that the problems of Via today are the same problems of the 3 year old Mvp3 ****set. 3 years and no advancement. They should be left on the store shelves until they stop laughing in are faces.They are cheap, shortcut imitation chipsets. They got rich with the most horrendous computer product on the market and you have nobody but yourselves to blame. You bought and keep buying them. I am one that bought them and now will never buy them again. Via and their chipset cost me time, money and clients. I unfortunately got fooled by internet sites and their great reviews of the chipset. A bunch of baloney from sites that are obviously paid and supported by Via. Any person that defends that product and does not admit the truth about them is sick in the ****in head.

[kaz]

All I know is my A7V133 just runs and runs as does my CUSL2, I love Intel chipsets, but think that they intentionally cripple them performance wise ever since the BX to protect their next cpu, they intend on ramming down our throats. Any one not like the idea of having unlocked multipliers?

[Ozzie]

I hear ya Kaz...this thread just wants to turn ugly...

[kaz]

You're right Ozzie over at the other place there would already be flames shooting from my monitor reading this thread, but we have a terrific member base here....

[Ozzie]

They just had one - I saw it - it WAS ugly...

[Perry_abx]

And AMD processors are screaming fast. I'm not trying to incite a riot among the fans of these companies either. But the person who wrote this article does know what he is talking about. As an IS professional myself, I relate to the desire to have systems that are 99.9 % stable. Well face it folks nobody has done that yet! Not Intel, AMD, VIA, SIS, IBM not to mention Microsoft and there operating systems. An ATHLON system will meet the needs of the most demanding home user but in a business environment there simply is no ATHLON and chipset combination that you can rely on 24-7. They may be getting there but not yet. Intel and their questionable business practices recently has got them going backwards in their progress right now and they are losing market share fast. (Buy AMD stock now!)

At least we are seeing improvement in performance and soon stability will follow. Intel will eventually realize that consumers don't want RAMBUS shoved up their butts and come up with a better platform for the P4. AMD's new Palamino looks very promising as well.

Technology is progressing so quickly right now especially in terms of processor speed and everybody is scrambling to keep up. I have a feeling that the limits of clock speed are going to be realized soon. Hopefully it is and then the hardware and software companies can work on that 99.9 % stable solution.

[SubZero]

You both mad some good points.

For me personally it's a done deal. I won't get me another VIA based system as long as I haven't seen evidence of them getting their act together. I burned my hands one, not doing it twice.. IMHO VIA is bad becaused they dissapointed me and a number of people around me.

Right now there probably is no business environment that uses AMD based systems for their servers. Give it a few years and that will probably change.

Mule: Is that true? About Intel investing in VIA I mean.. Sorry to say it but that scares the hell out of me!

[Jtkno6]

I completely agree that the AMD/VIA combination is unacceptable. I use my machine mostly for gaming,
but I would rather take a small hit on speed (I do not
overclock either) than sacrifice stability.
I gave up on my P3V4X (Intel/VIA) for that reason.
I have re-loaded Windows probably a million times and I
am sick wasting time searching for the patch of the week.

[Perry_abx]

Sub Zero,

Yes Intel has turned to VIA to develop a chipset for the newer version of the P4 that is yet to be released and VIA may manufacture one for current P4's. Intel will still offer it's own chipsets as well.

BTW - Anyone considering getting a new top of the line system right now may want to wait until the end of the year if they can get by with their current system. Both Intel and AMD platforms are going to change dramatically from what I have read. The .13 micron core is where it is at and I think thats going to the best we will see for at least a few years. The speed race is going to slow down quite a bit and soon.

[Edited by pbeyer on 05-10-2001 at 11:04 PM]

[Mushkin Rules]

Originally posted by Ozzie
Hi Tam

You are right, we need to be more accepting of those with other chipsets and processors. It is the future, and there's no need to turn it into a "us versus them" kind of thing. We're adults here - we can get along.

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The way Intel is going about things these days, the AMD'ers will be getting stronger and better. And they will be contributing here. We will all benefit.
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that's why we have this forum - to share and help.
You can certainly see there are no shortage of problems here with the CUSL2...

I kind of agree with that quote. Can you imagine a world without VIA & AMD, the only good available system is just Intel, no choice. I guess then you will buy Pentium III 800 MHz for $ 500 and 1 GHz for $ 700. There always must be healthy competition to bring out good quality products at cheaper price. The outcome is that Intel is pushed to lower the price!!!

So, It is the future, and there's no need to turn it into a "us versus them" kind of thing. Let's toss for AMD & VIA vs Intel's good competition to bring better quality & cheaper products.

[wz1]

I must be blind or a horrible tech. I could swear that my celeron 733 and via mobo 686b or a for that matter, i could not use my internal zip. I also had to change my usb printer cause it would not work properly. I also had to change to agp 2x , no fastwrites, no sidebanding to stop the crashes. Also my mouse would disappear on startup and sometimes in Windows after trying to run a 3d game, which would return me to the desktop. My DVD would stutter playing movies. Trying to play dvd or mp3's from cdrom would crash my system. I had exchanged every part for same brand. Is there something I did wrong. I have nothing to gain, since I don't work for intel but had a broken heart that my system would do all these things and I was out over a grand for a useless machine. I just changed my mobo to asus cusl2c and I swear all the problems went away. I read at via forums that the problems i had, almost everyone is having the same problems. Maybe you via guys should give them your expertise on via chipsets. Try to help without telling anybody to change the pci or agp cards for different manufacturers because then the theory of via and amd costing cheaper, can be thrown out the window.

[Howard Stern_abx]

I have built 3 systems in the last 3 weeks using the A7V133 mainboard and an Athlon CPU and find they every bit as stable as Intel systems. The chipset on this board is much faster and just as stable as the I815.
The big change is that the VIA chipset supports more then 512 megs of ram, 4 way interleave, AGP memory size more then 64 megs. I am also in the IT field so stablity is just as important to me. The info you have is dated. VIA and AMD can out perform and are just as stable as any Intel system. Sorry but you need to build one of these before you can properly judge the New AMD AND VIA systems. Looks like the people who run this site are down on VIA, I see some of my other posts have be removed, the ones showing off my high memory scores. Oh well I know for a fact that AMD and VIA can out perform anything Intel can do. If you want to by crippled chipsets and pay high prices be my guest.

[Edited by Howard Stern on 05-12-2001 at 08:13 PM]

[Teddy_abx]

Well said Howard,
I continue to be impressed by my VIA/AMD combination,
but I'm not forgetting my CUSL2-C/Intel combo either. It may not perform as well but it is just as stable.
Teddy