Got my PAL6035...

GaToR921 · 04-22-2001, 10:59 AM

Installed my Alpha PAL6035, with Arctic Silver II and round cables. I get the exact same temperatures that I had with the flat cables and Golden Orb. My system is still in the 113-118F range under normal Win2K load. When doing graphic's intensive apps it hovers from 125-134F... which I feel is way too hot. That's with the CPU at it's default FSB, I'm too concerned with the high temps to try any overclocking.

Here's what I did when I installed the new sink. I used Iosporayal Alcohol to remove oil from heatsink. I also dabbed it on the cpu core to remove the old thermal grease. I then put a thin layer of Arctic Silver II on the heat sink and spread with a credit card. Did the same for the cpu core. Attached the heat sink, which was actually very easy, and I was done.

The fan is a Sunon brand and I have it blowing on the CPU, after reading several posts here recommending that. I'm considering removing the fan and try blowing away from CPU. I'm not very happy... I spent almost $100 with shipping for all this stuff and it made absolutely no difference. My ambiant temp in the house is somewhere near 73-80F. I may also move everything back into my server case again... it has more fans, but that never seemed to make a difference before.

I'm just frustrated that I can't get better cooling... any constructive ideas?

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Sir Skully · 04-22-2001, 11:18 AM

Try less Arctic Silver, put a thin layer on CPU slug only. Make sure cooler is well seated. Try sucking instead of blowing. Use a 7000 rpm fan.

Klesk2000 · 04-24-2001, 08:23 AM

Like Skull said, your -only- supposed to put a thin layer of thermal compound on the CPU slug, -DO NOT- put a layer on the heatsink itself. This can seriously disrupture temperature settings. The more thermal paste you use, the less effective it is and in your case, you put on way to much. Your best bet is to remove the heatsink, clean off -all- thermal paste off both the CPU die and the bottom of the PAL6035, apply a very thin layer of paste on the CPU die, spread it evenly with preferably a razor blade (but a credit card will work), attach the heatsink.

Sir Skully · 04-24-2001, 09:49 AM

http://www.arcticsilver.com here are instructions for applying Arctic Silver.

GaToR921 · 04-24-2001, 10:18 AM

Did that last night... removed heatsink, cleaned up all the goop, put a thin layer of goop on the slug using a razorblade... no difference. That's right, none!

I even switched everything back to the tall server case that has one fan intake in the front and dual fan outtake in the back. Same temps.

I must be in some high heat black hole, because nothing I do decreases temps.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions...

Klesk2000 · 04-24-2001, 10:29 AM

How much thermal compound are you applying? The drop of Artic Silver 2 you put on the CPU slug should only be about the size of a grain of rice and when you spread it out, the compound should be no taller then a couple sheets of looseleaf paper. How are you checking the temperatures? Through the BIOS or are you using ASUSTeK PC Probe or Motherboard Monitor? Are you sure the PAL6035 is clipped down properly? You have to apply a lot of pressure to get both clips to fit snuggly on both sides of the socket.

jdmba · 04-24-2001, 12:48 PM

I gotta support Gator on this one, kinda.

When I removed my coolermaster (hah) heatsink/fan, and put on some silver II (paper thin) with my modded pep66t it did drop my temp about 11c. BUT, I am still also stuck VERY VERY high (46c) and no matter how many fans, rounded cables, etc. I cannot get this temp down.

My cusl2-c has gone back to the seller for replacement due to many irregularities (including the seeming not-too-uncommon hard drive corruption problems) ... this will give me another chance to re-apply the thermal compound, but I am not hopeful.

dfwbmw · 04-24-2001, 08:08 PM

I have a 1gig also and have tried 4 coolers now with almost no differences. All coolers were used with the YS-Tech 26cfm fan. I used the Stock Intel, Pep66, Fop32-1(were I got the fan) and now with a Pal6035. My case only runs about 8 to 10C higher than the temp in the house but I finally ducked it and now my temps are down pretty good. I still don't think I will be able to keep it at 1140 through the Texas summer. We shall see.

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting1.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting2.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting3.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Desktop.jpg

dfwbmw · 04-24-2001, 08:30 PM

Here are some updated pics of my poor mans ducting. Couple of things. The computer was running, and it is removed real easy by pulling it out about 25mm and then you can slide the case cover off like normal.

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting4.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting5.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting6.jpg

http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting7.jpg

Later

Savarak_abx · 04-27-2001, 09:39 AM

too much AS is never really a problem, cuz with the alpha's pressure, all excess grease is pushed out anyway.... the problem is you have your fan blowing in, which, especially if you are using your shroud, is wrong... turn it right side up to suck air out of the cpu, and you should be fine... Good heatsink, I've got one cooling my newly installed peltier... however I gotta buy a new clip, just in case my current one breaks(it was HELL putting it on with both the peltier and copper cold plate)

Vermonter · 04-28-2001, 11:59 PM

I have a 733 cpu slightly overclocked, when I installed my alpha 6035 in place of my Gorb I got a 10 degree drop full load 2 degree idle. Better results than I expected. Should be getting a 1 gig cpu in a couple of weeks starting to wonder what kind of temps to expect.

jmsandrsn · 05-01-2001, 11:37 PM

It's possible that you may have the mounting clip turned backwards. Makse sure that the adjustable end of the clip is at the end next to the DIMM/memory slots and make sure that the "lip" of the heatsink matches up with the "lip" on the CPU socket.

The Piper · 05-07-2001, 10:27 PM

I am using an Alpha 6035 and its not enough.
I am still running 44-48. What is the next step that will not cost way too much?

ThePiper

lsf · 05-15-2001, 09:31 AM

same problem with a PIII800@954 w PAL6035

at room temp 24°C, idle 37/38, full load 52°C

==> only 2 degrees lower than with my previous GORB.

Added case fans, reapplied artic silver 2 several times, read all the forums in the world, ... and have never been able to decrease this temp.

To be honest, I am not sure that all CUSL2 mobos are equivalent when reading temps, and that all people understand the same when speaking of "full load".

lsf · 05-15-2001, 09:49 AM

To continue the discussion about different temps by different mobos, here is an interesting link :

http://www.arcticsilver.com/diode_calibration.htm

Trying the diode calibration method given on the site of artic Silver, it seems that the intel internal diode on my PC is 7 or 8 degrees above the calibrated temperature.

Could explain the poor performance of the Alpha PAL6035 on my system, but I'm still not sure of the reliability of this calibration method ...

[Edited by lsf on 05-21-2001 at 10:37 AM]

04-22-2001, 10:59 AM	#1
GaToR921 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: McGuire AFB, NJ Posts: 10	Installed my Alpha PAL6035, with Arctic Silver II and round cables. I get the exact same temperatures that I had with the flat cables and Golden Orb. My system is still in the 113-118F range under normal Win2K load. When doing graphic's intensive apps it hovers from 125-134F... which I feel is way too hot. That's with the CPU at it's default FSB, I'm too concerned with the high temps to try any overclocking. Here's what I did when I installed the new sink. I used Iosporayal Alcohol to remove oil from heatsink. I also dabbed it on the cpu core to remove the old thermal grease. I then put a thin layer of Arctic Silver II on the heat sink and spread with a credit card. Did the same for the cpu core. Attached the heat sink, which was actually very easy, and I was done. The fan is a Sunon brand and I have it blowing on the CPU, after reading several posts here recommending that. I'm considering removing the fan and try blowing away from CPU. I'm not very happy... I spent almost $100 with shipping for all this stuff and it made absolutely no difference. My ambiant temp in the house is somewhere near 73-80F. I may also move everything back into my server case again... it has more fans, but that never seemed to make a difference before. I'm just frustrated that I can't get better cooling... any constructive ideas? __________________ -- Asus CUSL2-C PIII-933/Alpha PAL6035 512MB PC-133 SDRAM ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder AGP SBLive! MP3+ Netgear 10/100 NIC
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04-22-2001, 11:18 AM	#2
Sir Skully ABX KNIGHT EXEMPLAR Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA-GA Posts: 28,867	Try less Arctic Silver, put a thin layer on CPU slug only. Make sure cooler is well seated. Try sucking instead of blowing. Use a 7000 rpm fan.
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04-24-2001, 08:23 AM	#3
Klesk2000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 55	Like Skull said, your -only- supposed to put a thin layer of thermal compound on the CPU slug, -DO NOT- put a layer on the heatsink itself. This can seriously disrupture temperature settings. The more thermal paste you use, the less effective it is and in your case, you put on way to much. Your best bet is to remove the heatsink, clean off -all- thermal paste off both the CPU die and the bottom of the PAL6035, apply a very thin layer of paste on the CPU die, spread it evenly with preferably a razor blade (but a credit card will work), attach the heatsink.
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04-24-2001, 09:49 AM	#4
Sir Skully ABX KNIGHT EXEMPLAR Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA-GA Posts: 28,867	http://www.arcticsilver.com here are instructions for applying Arctic Silver.
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04-24-2001, 10:18 AM	#5
GaToR921 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: McGuire AFB, NJ Posts: 10	Did that last night... removed heatsink, cleaned up all the goop, put a thin layer of goop on the slug using a razorblade... no difference. That's right, none! I even switched everything back to the tall server case that has one fan intake in the front and dual fan outtake in the back. Same temps. I must be in some high heat black hole, because nothing I do decreases temps. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions... __________________ -- Asus CUSL2-C PIII-933/Alpha PAL6035 512MB PC-133 SDRAM ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder AGP SBLive! MP3+ Netgear 10/100 NIC
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04-24-2001, 10:29 AM	#6
Klesk2000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 55	How much thermal compound are you applying? The drop of Artic Silver 2 you put on the CPU slug should only be about the size of a grain of rice and when you spread it out, the compound should be no taller then a couple sheets of looseleaf paper. How are you checking the temperatures? Through the BIOS or are you using ASUSTeK PC Probe or Motherboard Monitor? Are you sure the PAL6035 is clipped down properly? You have to apply a lot of pressure to get both clips to fit snuggly on both sides of the socket.
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04-24-2001, 12:48 PM	#7
jdmba Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 719	Same Here I gotta support Gator on this one, kinda. When I removed my coolermaster (hah) heatsink/fan, and put on some silver II (paper thin) with my modded pep66t it did drop my temp about 11c. BUT, I am still also stuck VERY VERY high (46c) and no matter how many fans, rounded cables, etc. I cannot get this temp down. My cusl2-c has gone back to the seller for replacement due to many irregularities (including the seeming not-too-uncommon hard drive corruption problems) ... this will give me another chance to re-apply the thermal compound, but I am not hopeful.
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04-24-2001, 08:08 PM	#8
dfwbmw Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 81	I have a 1gig also and have tried 4 coolers now with almost no differences. All coolers were used with the YS-Tech 26cfm fan. I used the Stock Intel, Pep66, Fop32-1(were I got the fan) and now with a Pal6035. My case only runs about 8 to 10C higher than the temp in the house but I finally ducked it and now my temps are down pretty good. I still don't think I will be able to keep it at 1140 through the Texas summer. We shall see. http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting1.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting2.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting3.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Desktop.jpg __________________ DFWBMW CUSL2-C/1006a_c P3 1000 Malay 7.5X152=1140mhz Vcore 1.8 Pal6035 YS-Tech 36C/44C load Artic Silver II, system Temp 29C Enermax 430Watt PS 1 256Meg Kingmax @ 2227t9t Matrox G400 Max AGP Slot Adaptec 29160LW Slot 1 NetGear 310FA Slot 2 SB Live Slot 3 Quantum 18G 10k II LVD Seagate 4.5G Cheetah 10K SE Teac Burner and CDRom Win2K BOOTMAGIC to Win ME Inwin Full Tower Good Cooling Sandra2001 460/540 3D Mark 2000 3479 Setup 03/06/2001 IT ROCKS!!!
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04-24-2001, 08:30 PM	#9
dfwbmw Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 81	Here are some updated pics of my poor mans ducting. Couple of things. The computer was running, and it is removed real easy by pulling it out about 25mm and then you can slide the case cover off like normal. http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting4.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting5.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting6.jpg http://home1.gte.net/res02fmm/Ducting7.jpg Later __________________ DFWBMW CUSL2-C/1006a_c P3 1000 Malay 7.5X152=1140mhz Vcore 1.8 Pal6035 YS-Tech 36C/44C load Artic Silver II, system Temp 29C Enermax 430Watt PS 1 256Meg Kingmax @ 2227t9t Matrox G400 Max AGP Slot Adaptec 29160LW Slot 1 NetGear 310FA Slot 2 SB Live Slot 3 Quantum 18G 10k II LVD Seagate 4.5G Cheetah 10K SE Teac Burner and CDRom Win2K BOOTMAGIC to Win ME Inwin Full Tower Good Cooling Sandra2001 460/540 3D Mark 2000 3479 Setup 03/06/2001 IT ROCKS!!!
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04-27-2001, 09:39 AM	#10
Savarak_abx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 8	blow away too much AS is never really a problem, cuz with the alpha's pressure, all excess grease is pushed out anyway.... the problem is you have your fan blowing in, which, especially if you are using your shroud, is wrong... turn it right side up to suck air out of the cpu, and you should be fine... Good heatsink, I've got one cooling my newly installed peltier... however I gotta buy a new clip, just in case my current one breaks(it was HELL putting it on with both the peltier and copper cold plate)
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04-28-2001, 11:59 PM	#11
Vermonter Do what ya wanta Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 232	I have a 733 cpu slightly overclocked, when I installed my alpha 6035 in place of my Gorb I got a 10 degree drop full load 2 degree idle. Better results than I expected. Should be getting a 1 gig cpu in a couple of weeks starting to wonder what kind of temps to expect.
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05-01-2001, 11:37 PM	#12
jmsandrsn Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 102	It's possible that you may have the mounting clip turned backwards. Makse sure that the adjustable end of the clip is at the end next to the DIMM/memory slots and make sure that the "lip" of the heatsink matches up with the "lip" on the CPU socket.
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05-07-2001, 10:27 PM	#13
The Piper Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6	Alpha 6035 Not enough I am using an Alpha 6035 and its not enough. I am still running 44-48. What is the next step that will not cost way too much? ThePiper
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05-15-2001, 09:31 AM	#14
lsf Happy froggie Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 18	Also disappointed by PAL6035 same problem with a PIII800@954 w PAL6035 at room temp 24°C, idle 37/38, full load 52°C ==> only 2 degrees lower than with my previous GORB. Added case fans, reapplied artic silver 2 several times, read all the forums in the world, ... and have never been able to decrease this temp. To be honest, I am not sure that all CUSL2 mobos are equivalent when reading temps, and that all people understand the same when speaking of "full load".
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05-15-2001, 09:49 AM	#15
lsf Happy froggie Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 18	To continue the discussion about different temps by different mobos, here is an interesting link : http://www.arcticsilver.com/diode_calibration.htm Trying the diode calibration method given on the site of artic Silver, it seems that the intel internal diode on my PC is 7 or 8 degrees above the calibrated temperature. Could explain the poor performance of the Alpha PAL6035 on my system, but I'm still not sure of the reliability of this calibration method ... [Edited by lsf on 05-21-2001 at 10:37 AM]
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