7800 GT needs?

OsirisDK · 10-14-2005, 11:51 AM

Lately, I've seen alot of people running the GT on a 3200+ Venice core.
I once read in a review that it would atleast take 4000+ to fully power it!
I know he was just joking, but there is a 400 mhz difference.
SO, what will it need?

I'm about to order a 3700+ San Diego. But if a 3500+ Venice (wont OC) will do just as fine, I c no point in getting a 3700+...
Any thoughs?

FB · 10-14-2005, 11:55 AM

i keep telling you, for what you will be doing, getting the 3700+ will not be worth it. at the end of the day CPU cycles are more important than L2 cache and the extra L2 cache here will not help you any.

OsirisDK · 10-14-2005, 11:59 AM

"keep telling me"... lol, I'm not cross posting!
anyway, so, youre SURE I'll have no troubles, whatsoever with a 3500+ / 7800GT combo? Cuz, I've talked to alot of people, all of them saying different things!

FB · 10-14-2005, 12:16 PM

the new cards require a lot of CPU power, no matter what you get, the GT doesn't require quite as much.

also what will you be gaming at? if not at least 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, then you are probably wasting some money and could get a 6800GT instead.

OsirisDK · 10-14-2005, 12:29 PM

Well... currently, only 1024x800something... But if the 7800 supports otherwise...
anyway, so I wont notice any difference between a 3700+ and a 3500+ exept the whole lot of money there is between. San Diego is afterall a newer version of the Venice IIRC...

FB · 10-14-2005, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OsirisDK

Well... currently, only 1024x800something... But if the 7800 supports otherwise...
anyway, so I wont notice any difference between a 3700+ and a 3500+ exept the whole lot of money there is between. San Diego is afterall a newer version of the Venice IIRC...

wrong, both released at same time. San diego is pretty much Venice with more L2

Saiasanc · 10-14-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FB

the new cards require a lot of CPU power, no matter what you get, the GT doesn't require quite as much.

also what will you be gaming at? if not at least 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, then you are probably wasting some money and could get a 6800GT instead.

I have to agree here. From everything that I have read you need to be running at higher resolutions with the 7800 so that the GPU is being taxed more than the CPU. Otherwise your processor will cause a bottleneck and you will not be taking full advantage of the 7800's capabilities.

Other than that I say go with the less expensive processor, if you are on a budget.

--Saiasanc

OsirisDK · 10-14-2005, 01:02 PM

Im on a budget.. have read alot of reviews... all saying that San Diego is best (got a cool name to)
Also saying, that is it not really worth it, as Venice can easely be OC'ed to meet future demands (when the time come ill consider:-)
So, I would be just as happy with the 3500+?
u say it will bottleneck? if I'm running at say 1024x800 wont I just get that extra power for shaders, AA and AF?

FB · 10-14-2005, 02:09 PM

i'm sure it will be fine, but the cards really shine at 1600x1200 or higher.

i am getting a GT next january and i only game at 1280x1024

**SubZero** · 10-14-2005, 02:13 PM

With a 7800 GT or GTX the CPU will always be a bottleneck at some point, no matter how high you go with your CPU but over 1280x1024 with AA/AF on it will definitely be noticable. There is no one in the world who can say that with 3500+ there is no CPU bottleneck anymore. It just depends on what settings your are playing with.

Also, there are other important factors which determine how smoothly you will be able to play games.. The amount and quality of your memory to name one.

OsirisDK · 10-15-2005, 03:00 AM

I know, I'm getting Kingston Value RAM (for starters) - appearently, the timings are not all good; 3-3-3 IIRC
Anyway, so first youre saying that 3500+ will handle smothely, and now youre saying that no matter the speed, the CPU will always bottleneck the GPU at some point.

I will rephrase.
With a 3500+/7800 GT combo, will I get a worthwhile expirence with gamez/overall computer enjoyment?

FB · 10-15-2005, 03:16 AM

Quote:

I will rephrase.
With a 3500+/7800 GT combo, will I get a worthwhile expirence with gamez/overall computer enjoyment?

yes.

leeghoofd · 10-24-2005, 03:54 AM

I would opt for the 3200 or 3500 CPU and invest the money in a decent gfx card ( which costs way more than the CPU regarding future upgrades ), so in a later stage if you need more power you can slightly OC the CPU , or even replace it.

The 7 series have plenty of oomph for future gaming, indeed to enjoy those cards you need a beefy CPU to go along with it, but like Subzero said it's all about all the hardware in your rig, if you have a slow mobo, ram harddrive,... the game performance will be less. I 'm sure that a 3200 - 3500 cpu/ 7800 series card will give you enjoyable game performance also for some time to come.
Also cards like the 6800GT/Ultra series are rapidly dropping in prices but I would wait for some benchies to come along with eg games like FEAR or Quake4 to see if they can handle them at a good decent frames per second. Even with a slower CPU and at lower resolutions. A good gaming pxc is a complete package, it's no use to buy a 400 dollar vidcard and bundle it with 512 ram or a 2000mhz CPU.

A normal game machine should look like this

3000 CPU or more
2 X 512 ram
68series/7800 GFx or ATI X800 and above types
160gig hd 7200rpm 8mb cache
480watts PSU delivering 24 amps or more on the 12 volt rail.

then you will have a decent overall build

FB · 10-24-2005, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeghoofd

I would opt for the 3200 or 3500 CPU and invest the money in a decent gfx card ( which costs way more than the CPU regarding future upgrades ), so in a later stage if you need more power you can slightly OC the CPU , or even replace it.

The 7 series have plenty of oomph for future gaming, indeed to enjoy those cards you need a beefy CPU to go along with it, but like Subzero said it's all about all the hardware in your rig, if you have a slow mobo, ram harddrive,... the game performance will be less. I 'm sure that a 3200 - 3500 cpu/ 7800 series card will give you enjoyable game performance also for some time to come.
Also cards like the 6800GT/Ultra series are rapidly dropping in prices but I would wait for some benchies to come along with eg games like FEAR or Quake4 to see if they can handle them at a good decent frames per second. Even with a slower CPU and at lower resolutions. A good gaming pxc is a complete package, it's no use to buy a 400 dollar vidcard and bundle it with 512 ram or a 2000mhz CPU.

A normal game machine should look like this

3000 CPU or more
2 X 512 ram
68series/7800 GFx or ATI X800 and above types
160gig hd 7200rpm 8mb cache
480watts PSU delivering 24 amps or more on the 12 volt rail.

then you will have a decent overall build

correct except for the ram, probably should be 2x1Gb

goku008 · 10-27-2005, 10:10 AM

i never noticed a difference in going from 1 gig to 2gigs of ram.

10-14-2005, 11:51 AM	#1
OsirisDK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24	7800 GT needs? Lately, I've seen alot of people running the GT on a 3200+ Venice core. I once read in a review that it would atleast take 4000+ to fully power it! I know he was just joking, but there is a 400 mhz difference. SO, what will it need? I'm about to order a 3700+ San Diego. But if a 3500+ Venice (wont OC) will do just as fine, I c no point in getting a 3700+... Any thoughs?
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10-14-2005, 11:55 AM	#2
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	i keep telling you, for what you will be doing, getting the 3700+ will not be worth it. at the end of the day CPU cycles are more important than L2 cache and the extra L2 cache here will not help you any. __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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10-14-2005, 11:59 AM	#3
OsirisDK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24	"keep telling me"... lol, I'm not cross posting! anyway, so, youre SURE I'll have no troubles, whatsoever with a 3500+ / 7800GT combo? Cuz, I've talked to alot of people, all of them saying different things!
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10-14-2005, 12:16 PM	#4
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	the new cards require a lot of CPU power, no matter what you get, the GT doesn't require quite as much. also what will you be gaming at? if not at least 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, then you are probably wasting some money and could get a 6800GT instead. __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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10-14-2005, 12:29 PM	#5
OsirisDK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24	Well... currently, only 1024x800something... But if the 7800 supports otherwise... anyway, so I wont notice any difference between a 3700+ and a 3500+ exept the whole lot of money there is between. San Diego is afterall a newer version of the Venice IIRC...
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10-14-2005, 01:02 PM	#8
OsirisDK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24	Im on a budget.. have read alot of reviews... all saying that San Diego is best (got a cool name to) Also saying, that is it not really worth it, as Venice can easely be OC'ed to meet future demands (when the time come ill consider:-) So, I would be just as happy with the 3500+? u say it will bottleneck? if I'm running at say 1024x800 wont I just get that extra power for shaders, AA and AF?
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10-14-2005, 02:09 PM	#9
FB Re-Retiring Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN, USA Posts: 24,834	i'm sure it will be fine, but the cards really shine at 1600x1200 or higher. i am getting a GT next january and i only game at 1280x1024 __________________ Bye Bye ABXZone.....Rest In Peace.
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10-14-2005, 02:13 PM	#10
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10-15-2005, 03:00 AM	#11
OsirisDK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24	I know, I'm getting Kingston Value RAM (for starters) - appearently, the timings are not all good; 3-3-3 IIRC Anyway, so first youre saying that 3500+ will handle smothely, and now youre saying that no matter the speed, the CPU will always bottleneck the GPU at some point. I will rephrase. With a 3500+/7800 GT combo, will I get a worthwhile expirence with gamez/overall computer enjoyment?
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10-24-2005, 03:54 AM	#13
leeghoofd Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 628	I would opt for the 3200 or 3500 CPU and invest the money in a decent gfx card ( which costs way more than the CPU regarding future upgrades ), so in a later stage if you need more power you can slightly OC the CPU , or even replace it. The 7 series have plenty of oomph for future gaming, indeed to enjoy those cards you need a beefy CPU to go along with it, but like Subzero said it's all about all the hardware in your rig, if you have a slow mobo, ram harddrive,... the game performance will be less. I 'm sure that a 3200 - 3500 cpu/ 7800 series card will give you enjoyable game performance also for some time to come. Also cards like the 6800GT/Ultra series are rapidly dropping in prices but I would wait for some benchies to come along with eg games like FEAR or Quake4 to see if they can handle them at a good decent frames per second. Even with a slower CPU and at lower resolutions. A good gaming pxc is a complete package, it's no use to buy a 400 dollar vidcard and bundle it with 512 ram or a 2000mhz CPU. A normal game machine should look like this 3000 CPU or more 2 X 512 ram 68series/7800 GFx or ATI X800 and above types 160gig hd 7200rpm 8mb cache 480watts PSU delivering 24 amps or more on the 12 volt rail. then you will have a decent overall build __________________ AMD64 X2 4400@2600 - ABIT Fatal1ty AN8 SLI 16 Bios- 2 x 1024 Gskill ram 3-3-3-8 - XFX 7900GTX 512mb 91.47 - Plextor 52x Cd writer - Plextor 7140 DVD Writer - Enermax Libery 500 - Rage3d Folding team Intel E6600@3600 1.47 - Asus Striker (0402 bios) - 2 gig OCZ 4-4-4-10 1T 2.1 volts - EVGA 8800GTX 1 Gig 97.92 - Plextor 7140 DVD Writer - Enermax Liberty 620 - Rage3d Folding team
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